Messing up Anomaly Farmers in a few easy steps!

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3. Single out the stupid from the cautious.
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Did a 50 jump roam in my caracal and found absolutely 0 people going between gates. Jumped into a busy bottleneck constellation full of ratters and died as expected. Even then though the busiest systems in null have only 60 guys docked and active according to the map. Whats going on? Aren't their people roaming around looking for fights?

Perhaps a system resembling FW should be implemented. A series of static warp gates are in your systems and if an enemy occupies them and destroys whatever objective is inside then your system becomes closer to capturable?

Unless you are sitting in a -1.0 system (which most null sec systems are not), the vast majority of anomalies made persistent by upgrading will go undone.

In the system i recently left (a -0.5 IIRC), there was 1 haven, 2 forlorn hubs, 2 forsaken hubs and 10 other anomalies. The 10 others no one ever touch, at best that system could support 2-3 players doing anoms for the isk.

Even after CCPs last "EHP/ISK" buff to anomalies (where many anomalies received more ships to give them comparable "weight" of ships as what you would find in the most run anoms), the only anomalies worth screwing with are STILL Sanctums, Havens, Forsaken or forlorn hubs and MAYBE Forsaken Rally Points if nothing else is available. The previous nerf to sanctums and most havens out of null sec upgraded systems.

Respawning anomalies are nice, but the systems can't support more than a couple dedicate runners apiece at a time, and all one has to do is look at dotlan maps to see which ones have lots of rats killed and plant a cloaky afk guy there. Upgraded system anomaly isk is only slightly better (because of these realities) than flying around empty null sec scratching off "natural" spawning Anomalies.

When you can make almost the same isk flying around empty null sec systems shooting anom rats as you can in a upgraded system that costs your corp/alliance billions, it means the system is both broken and NOT awesome for the grunt players involved.

This is why you see more null sec players with high sec incursion and mission alts than you see ratting in null sec. the rats in high sec missions are INFINITE and you don't even have to watch local.

Super caps being piloted and risked by a single player is horrible game design. All it does is force them to only see combat when it is 100% safe and the only time they die is to a miss click or similar error. Super capitals should be a real alliance asset that everyone in the alliance directly benifits from when the alliance uses them and feels the pain when they are destroyed.

Two words: "Dynamic sec status".
As you develop a system, the sec status slowly goes up, and the value of everything in it goes down.
That means a tech moon has a finite lifespan until the sec status of the system is too high to support a tech moon.

Conversely, a system that is empty with no activity slowly loses sec status, and the rats/moons/asteroids get more valuable.

Gone are the static blue alliances.
Hello nomadic groups constantly exploring and fighting over riches that ebb and flow depending on the activity level in that system.

Someday a 0.8 backwater might become a -1.0 trusec, and a -1.0 might become a 1.0

So what your saying is that scanning *is* too hard, and that only the very best anomalies are worth doing for the players that are actually in nullsec?

Since it takes a fair amount of character training to be able to do those top anomalies in a reasonable amount of time, why don't you sick your newbies on the smaller anomalies?

How much do null sec incursions pay? Seems to me they would be worth it to roam about. Maybe their rewards need buffed some more? double them? Seems like the cumulative isk per hour would be worth the risk. to roam into someone elses territory. TVP runs pretty well without super shiney's . Isk get spread around instead of just going to the few moon holders. What am I missing?

So what your saying is that scanning *is* too hard, and that only the very best anomalies are worth doing for the players that are actually in nullsec?

Since it takes a fair amount of character training to be able to do those top anomalies in a reasonable amount of time, why don't you sick your newbies on the smaller anomalies?

You are reinforcing my point instead of contradicting it.
There is a lot of potentially profitable content available to nullsec dwellers that isn't being used, because the people who are playing in nullsec don't want to use it.

Even highsec signature sites can be hugely profitable, yet several nullsec people have just chimed in here to say they don't want to bother with them. I guess officer modules aren't expensive enough to make it worthwhile yet >.>

You are reinforcing my point instead of contradicting it.
There is a lot of potentially profitable content available to nullsec dwellers that isn't being used, because the people who are playing in nullsec don't want to use it.

Even highsec signature sites can be hugely profitable, yet several nullsec people have just chimed in here to say they don't want to bother with them. I guess officer modules aren't expensive enough to make it worthwhile yet >.>

I guess you have no idea at all what youre talking bout.

Officer modules come from officer spawns, in gates/belts, theyre uber rare, and uber random, you cant farm em, you just find em.

In case you were talkin bout Deadspace modules, but you can distinguish blue from purple. Well, doin a 8/10 or above, needs usually 2+ people, a good amount of time, and a crazy amount of risk.

So lets say you have 3 hours to play that given day, a couple of corp mates that are bored and have the right ships to run the site in a place where u CANT buy what u want cus youre the hell away from a trade hub, and you-¦re already rich so you dont care about loosin a 1.5B ship due to hostiles or the anomaly itself. All you are goin to get is:

A: Nothing. 45% of the time.

B: Marginal reward for every pilot, equal or less to what you-¦d have done in std anomalies. 45% of the time.

C: Good even after splittin the loot between the pilots involved, above rattin average. 10% of the time.

Nice way to make a living, bro.

I do exploration, I know how the odds work. People who run anomalies are too risk averse to take the chance that they won't get a payout this session.

I used officer modules because they are the *big* payout from escalations, and if they aren't selling for enough to tempt the anomaly runners out of their comfort zone and get them to actually launch a scan probe now and then I think my point is well made.

I do exploration, I know how the odds work. People who run anomalies are too risk averse to take the chance that they won't get a payout this session.

I used officer modules because they are the *big* payout from escalations, and if they aren't selling for enough to tempt the anomaly runners out of their comfort zone and get them to actually launch a scan probe now and then I think my point is well made.

You don't get officer modules from escalations.......

You are serioulsy off base (and not just because you confuse officer mods with deadspace loot).

Yeah. And since you know so much about it, you must be making good isk off all those exploration sites in your improved systems. I certainly haven't heard anyone complaining that they don't work.

When I *have* been in nullsec what I see is people running the best anomalies they can in their ratting carriers when they aren't doing PvP, which is exactly what you said you do a few posts up.

Just HTFU and admit that you do what you said you do, which is what *I* said people in nullsec mostly do.

The truth hurts.

Yeah. And since you know so much about it, you must be making good isk off all those exploration sites in your improved systems. I certainly haven't heard anyone complaining that they don't work.

When I *have* been in nullsec what I see is people running the best anomalies they can in their ratting carriers when they aren't doing PvP, which is exactly what you said you do a few posts up.

Just HTFU and admit that you do what you said you do, which is what *I* said people in nullsec mostly do.

The truth hurts.

In simple English:
There are tools provided by CCP to expand the available exploration and signature combat sites in nullsec systems.

Why don't you use them to allow more people to play effectively in those systems? These sites, especially when readily available, should be at least as profitable as the anomalies and mining sites that are currently the dominant system improvements in nullsec.

In simple English:
There are tools provided by CCP to expand the available exploration and signature combat sites in nullsec systems.

Why don't you use them to allow more people to play effectively in those systems? These sites, especially when readily available, should be at least as profitable as the anomalies and mining sites that are currently the dominant system improvements in nullsec.

it looks to me like *any* nullsec system can be improved adequately to pay for itself with plenty of profit left over (which would seem far from worthless to me).

Apparently not everyone got the memo on that one, because it seems that since only a couple of people can take advantage of the anomalies in systems that aren't -1.0 those systems are "worthless".

I may be misinterpreting what people are saying here, and I know that my nullsec experience was not the ideal case,

but from what I've seen of all the available options it looks to me like *any* nullsec system can be improved adequately to pay for itself with plenty of profit left over (which would seem far from worthless to me).

And giant groups of very experienced players havent realized out yet, how sad!

Just no.