The difference between a bugfix and a nerf is in the eye of the beholder.

The removal of drone compounds and T1 module drops were bugfixes by the same standard.

The adjustment of the anomalies was a bugfix by the same standard.

If your vision were any narrower I'd wonder if you could see at all.

An adult admits when they are wrong or when another has made a point, you seem incapable of doing that.

OK, fine you might have a point, if capital ships were *never* allowed in highsec then removing capital ship construction from highsec stations was only a bugfix.

It was before my time, I wasn't there, and I can't be arsed to find out in any more detail why there is one carrier in highsec, because it *isn't important*. You can neither build nor fly capital ships in highsec now which is a pretty large feature that isn't available there regardless of the precise details of the history.

The drone minerals nerf was a highsec nerf as well, however, since drones do spawn in highsec exploration sites and missions (in quite large quantities, as my station vault could attest at the time).


An adult admits when they are wrong or when another has made a point, you seem incapable of doing that, you seem to be content with finding fault and not actually engaging any valid points.

Nullsec isn't empty because it's broken.

OK, as a thought experiment, let's reduce the facilities in hi-sec to those of nullsec

You know, since they aren't broken

Nullsec is empty because CCP designed it with a deliberate scarcity of resources so that people would fight over them.

Highsec has more resources and scalable content so they don't have to turn away customers that lack the desire or ability to play in nullsec (whether temporarily or permanently).

That means that nullsec will continue to be empty compared to highsec until CCP decides that it is time to change the way nullsec works in a dramatic fashion.

Nullsec is broken for your purpose, but not for the purpose for which it was designed.

Nullsec is empty because CCP designed it with a deliberate scarcity of resources so that people would fight over them.

Please remind me what's worth fighting over in nullsec that requires actually living in nullsec.

Or perhaps you're gojng to tell me that CCP "intended" us to stage from lo-sec or NPC space and fight over tech moons?

There is hardly any fighting over resources anymore. The 'diplomatic' approach has pretty much killed most PvP in null. Yes you may get the occasional 'we were bored' fight, but there is very little combat in null when looking at the big picture. The pen is indeed mightier than the sword. Wretched peace.

Did a 50 jump roam in my caracal and found absolutely 0 people going between gates. Jumped into a busy bottleneck constellation full of ratters and died as expected. Even then though the busiest systems in null have only 60 guys docked and active according to the map. Whats going on? Aren't their people roaming around looking for fights?

Null is garbage. Plus all that empty space is empty because anyone who moves in gets WTFSUPERCAPBLOBBED just for the laughs.

^^this^^^ is how I understand it to be and most of the reason I won't go there.

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It's called incursions. which you can do 80 to 120 (did 150% in a super shiney fleet doing Vanguards last week, but to be fair that isn't the norm). Those figures DO NOT include the LP condored gives you which you can get 1800-2000 isk per LP for. The only downside is the delay getting into a fleet, but I fly a machariel and never ever have to wait long.

Running missions in NPC null can make you more, but people willbubble camp you into (or out of) a station (which would be moot if you could accept and complete missions outside station, but of course you can't because the same universe with faster than lgiht travel DOESN'T HAVE CELL PHONES).

Plexing 8/10-10/10 plexes gives totally random awards since CCP nerfed them a few years ago. In the Angel 10/10 (for example) you could get 5 OPE boxes that sold for 500 mil to npcs (plex"blue loot" so to speak), so even if the overseer doesn't drop juicy mods/blue prints, you got SOMETHING out of it. No more of that now, it's so random you can't put an isk/hr figure to plexing that makes any sense.

"Farming Noms" is (depending on the ship you use and the race of Rat) about as good or slightly better than high sec incursions isk wise (with rare faction spawns and escalations being bonuses), but overall still inferior when you add incursion LP to the equations.

Chaini9ng Belt rats isn't even worth mentioning and points to a player who either hasn't ever lived in null sec or hasn't been there since 2008.

The one overwhemling thing that makes incursions and to a lesser extent missions better income than anyhting in null sec is the fact that it is extremely difficult to disrupt high sec activities, where as it's really easy to disrupt null sec pve/isk making.

The worst that will happen in high sec is someone pre-loads an incursion site, someone in a logi tries (and usually fails) to withhold reps (they fail because a good FC will demand battleships like my Mach have large reppers and rep drones just in case) or someone will try to suicide gank or some such in a mission. All easily avoidable/mitigatable.

In null sec the only thing a person needs to do to disrupt your isk making is show up, MAYBE launch combat probes if you are in a plex. Sure, you could fit to fight them in the plex, but if its an escalation you're going to get out rather than fight because if you stand and fight you just gave up the location of an escalation that was otherwise uncannable. IE you just handed them your loot.

High Sec people love to cling to the idea that you can make so much isk in null sec as defense against the needed rebalancing of high sec, but they never take the realities of the situation into account. if you buff null sec awards you jsut hurt the game more.

Imagine if their were only 5 tech moons the CFC controlled. Whoever owned them would make huge amounts of money, but the allies of the goons would be unable to get their share of the pie. The massive coalition would not be able to keep people blue because the blues would want their share that they physically could not have. Smaller coalitions would break off and it would be a constantly shifting king of the hill battle.

Of course said resource probably would not be tech as I don't think it is suitable.

Null is garbage. Plus all that empty space is empty because anyone who moves in gets WTFSUPERCAPBLOBBED just for the laughs.

My readings are detecting high sec carebear.

Seriously though, Ive lived in null for the past 4 years. I rarely see supercap blobs...and they are rarely used and only for high priority targets (tech moons - despite the nerf).

I will tell you what made nullsec empty - incursions. Incursions ruined nullsec...