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Keno Skir
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:18:00 -
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Just read that orbital strikes will be fired from small guns.. Does this seem like a break from "eve reality" to anyone else?
Guesse since they used an Abaddon for the Fanfest demo i just assumed you would need large guns to fire them, if not some sort of special module that takes buku CPU or something. That said i actually still feel like a destroyer raining death from hundreds of kilometers up is a bit far fetched.
Not tryin to get it changed or anything, just noticed it today and didn't sit right. I'm imagining clouds of thrashers or even atrons, hell even industrials firing highly destructive weapons a really really long way... not how i'd have done it anyway o/
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Sexy in Black
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:20:00 -
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Link? Source? |
Mocktar Olachenko
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:22:00 -
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Totally agree, both from a logical and gameplay standpoint. The idea of large battleships bombarding a planet, and necessitating a support fleet to protect them just makes sense. Any old Joe Blow in a dime a dozen destroyer shelling a planet and zipping off at the first sign of trouble doesn't. |
Keno Skir
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:23:00 -
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Sexy in Black wrote:Link? Source?
Here
"We are also enabling the ultimate in cross game escapades, Orbital Bombardment, with the first flavor being the Tactical Strike. You may have also noticed some new ammo blueprints on the market (Tactical EMP S, Tactical Laser S, Tactical Hybrid S). Well, now you can load up these special long range, high precision munitions into suitable small turret weapons and rain fire from the skies. This will be available to Faction Warfare battles in low security space and weGÇÖll leave it up to you to arrange the details of this with your new fleet-footed buddies. As one might assume, more guns are just better, so I recommend the destroyer hull as the best compromise between damage, mobility and cost for this particular task."
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ThisIsntMyMain
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:23:00 -
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Sexy in Black wrote:Link? Source?
Patch notes. Read them. |
Sexy in Black
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:24:00 -
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ThisIsntMyMain wrote:Sexy in Black wrote:Link? Source? Patch notes. Read them.
Much more fun to logon and find changes that way ^_^ |
Fleur Kendall
Black Frog Logistics
Red-Frog
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:28:00 -
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Source is CCP Nullabor from this Dev Blog
Under "The Tools of War" subheading he says
"We are also enabling the ultimate in cross game escapades, Orbital Bombardment, with the first flavor being the Tactical Strike...you can load up these special long range, high precision munitions into suitable small turret weapons and rain fire from the skies...more guns are just better, so I recommend the destroyer hull...for this particular task"
Obviously this doesn't mean that it is limited to being fitted to only small ships, but I wait to see how the mechanics pan out I guess... |
Oki Riverson
Infinite Potential
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:28:00 -
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It does seam a bit weird ... I know CCP are probably doing it so we don't have to train for a new weapon system (Which is nice of them.) But part of me would like to see some old school "YOU MUST TRAIN THIS NEW ORBITAL WEAPON SYSTEM FOR 3 YEARS!!" harshness. |
Keno Skir
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:29:00 -
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Mocktar Olachenko wrote:Any old Joe Blow in a dime a dozen destroyer shelling a planet and zipping off at the first sign of trouble
This exactly. Faction War was crap because everyone could do it in the cheapest riskless ships without actually fighting or organizing ANYTHING aside from a mwd. Im sad that same thing is happening to DUST right after CCP fixed FW.
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Thomas Gore
Black Dawn Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:31:00 -
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Why would a battleship waste time firing into a 24 man skirmish?
DUST is not Planetside 2, the scale is tiny. |
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Oki Riverson
Infinite Potential
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:34:00 -
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Thomas Gore wrote:Why would a battleship waste time firing into a 24 man skirmish?
DUST is not Planetside 2, the scale is tiny.
Not the point ... Why can't my Coercer hit you from 10,00km away in Eve. It's also fairly risk free to said destroyer pilot. fit stabs and align :(
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Keno Skir
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:35:00 -
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Thomas Gore wrote:Why would a battleship waste time firing into a 24 man skirmish?
DUST is not Planetside 2, the scale is tiny.
My argument is from a gameplay perspective primarily, but additionally the massive range of the shells is far out of the realms of what i assumed to be small turret capability and small ship capability.
If the 24 man skirmish is for somewhere important the skirmish is more than the numbers involved.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:38:00 -
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Oki Riverson wrote:Thomas Gore wrote:Why would a battleship waste time firing into a 24 man skirmish?
DUST is not Planetside 2, the scale is tiny. Not the point ... Why can't my Coercer hit you from 10,000km away in Eve. It's also fairly risk free to said destroyer pilot. fit stabs and align :(
Bunnies can also blow up said destroyer. |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:38:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Just read that orbital strikes will be fired from small guns.. Does this seem like a break from "eve reality" to anyone else?
Guesse since they used an Abaddon for the Fanfest demo i just assumed you would need large guns to fire them, if not some sort of special module that takes buku CPU or something. That said i actually still feel like a destroyer raining death from hundreds of kilometers up is a bit far fetched.
Not tryin to get it changed or anything, just noticed it today and didn't sit right. I'm imagining clouds of thrashers or even atrons, hell even industrials firing highly destructive weapons a really really long way... not how i'd have done it anyway o/
well if we used Abaddon and fired lasers from orbit , the atmosphere would negates most of the EM .
Fun Fact :
Lunar Laser Ranging experiment , 1GigW lasers are fired from earth for 0.0000001 seconds , less than 10^8 photons actually return back to earth. Atmosphere and with their diverse composition, lasers would just be defracted ,refracted and generally dispersed in the atmosphere before they even hit the planet. If you force it down, you'll just waste energy ionizing the atmosphere.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:39:00 -
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I assume they'll probably add larger tactical ammo types in the future which will hit a lot harder than the small. The small stuff probably doesn't hit all that hard. I hope the large ammo is actually sort of weak, and that to pack a REAL punch, you need XL.
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Buhhdust Princess
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Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:41:00 -
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As i said on another thread.
I am disappointed my Moros can't make holes through planets.
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Keno Skir
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:41:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:[quote=Keno Skir]well if we used Abaddon and fired lasers from orbit , the atmosphere would negates most of the EM .
What you reckon would happen with lasers a fraction fo the size and power then? Say Coercer lasers..
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Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:41:00 -
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Now if you use small hybrid ammo (Rails / projectile)
NOW THOSE should be scientifically the BEST orbital bombardment material.
You can aerodynamically shape them so they won't burn up in orbit,and they're more controllable :D
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Oki Riverson
Infinite Potential
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:42:00 -
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Anyway regardless of the details ... This is still an awesome feature and a milestone for gaming imo. I have every confidence CCP will balance, rebalance and sort things out. |
Keno Skir
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:43:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Bunnies can also blow up said destroyer.
You my friend are closing in on a very good point. That said they could just as well attack a battleship with adjusted damage and keep everyone sweet :P
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Keno Skir
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:44:00 -
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Oki Riverson wrote:I have every confidence CCP will - sort things out.
U new round here? :D
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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:44:00 -
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Let's not be hasty, here. Don't forget, DUST is still in beta - by limiting OB to small turrets, they are limiting the load on their servers for the moment while they continue to test. I highly doubt that, come the final release of the game, OB will be restricted to smalls. If it is, then in that case, I agree - goodbye EVE. But for now, let's just all kick back and enjoy our new Catalysts.
Here's another fun fact, btw - you can still fit small turrets to your battleships and whatnot. If you REALLY feel the need to rain death from something tougher than a dessie (to increase your survivability against surface-to-space attacks) then you can still do that.
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Randy en Namero
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:45:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Just read that orbital strikes will be fired from small guns.. Does this seem like a break from "eve reality" to anyone else?
Guesse since they used an Abaddon for the Fanfest demo i just assumed you would need large guns to fire them, if not some sort of special module that takes buku CPU or something. That said i actually still feel like a destroyer raining death from hundreds of kilometers up is a bit far fetched.
Not tryin to get it changed or anything, just noticed it today and didn't sit right. I'm imagining clouds of thrashers or even atrons, hell even industrials firing highly destructive weapons a really really long way... not how i'd have done it anyway o/
It's probably just the opener, keep in mind that the game isn't even live yet. Chances are, your BS will get it's time to strike. |
Thomas Gore
Black Dawn Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:46:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Thomas Gore wrote:Why would a battleship waste time firing into a 24 man skirmish?
DUST is not Planetside 2, the scale is tiny. My argument is from a gameplay perspective primarily, but additionally the massive range of the shells is far out of the realms of what i assumed to be small turret capability and small ship capability. If the 24 man skirmish is for somewhere important the skirmish is more than the numbers involved. Thought that was the difference between DUST and call of duty, meaning to the conflict. When i think "Orbital Bombardment" i think of mealstroms, not atrons. "your main battle tank recieved 100,000 Damage from Keno Skirs Iteron 1 and was vapourized..."
Oh sorry I mistook that you wanted lore responses, because you were asking for "eve reality" in your post.
Gameplay wise it of course does not make sense, at all.
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Oki Riverson
Infinite Potential
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:46:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Oki Riverson wrote:I have every confidence CCP will - sort things out. U new round here? :D
Hardly :P
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Keno Skir
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:48:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Let's not be hasty, here. Don't forget, DUST is still in beta - by limiting OB to small turrets, they are limiting the load on their servers
How did you get to the conclusion that making the required ship mega cheap and disposable will limit the stress on the server? Won't 4 times as many people be doing it? Does a battleship not take up the same server power as a destroyer? How about 10 destroyers?
EDIT : oh u mean defence fleets?
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iskflakes
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:50:00 -
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I do find it funny that in space small guns can't hit a stationary target 20km away, but somehow they can hit a target 300km away on the surface of a planet with accuracy on the order of a few meters.
This choice has been made for the benefit of DUST players, who will want to try out EVE and be shelling a planet within a few minutes.
If battleships are ever allowed to fire at planets it will only be 1.2x as good as a destroyer.
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To mare
Advanced Technology
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:50:00 -
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going a bit RP but any small charge would probably burn in the atmosphere, im also a supporter of only L charge having a small charge to hit from space and XL charge being the optimal for orbital bombardment |
Andreus Ixiris
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:52:00 -
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Givei t time, guys. They already demonstrated larger ships being able to orbitally bombard planets at Fanfest. You'll get access to bigger, shinier toys that'll let you risk more of your money plinking at a planet in due course.
Patience is a virtue.
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Keno Skir
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:53:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:I do find it funny that in space small guns can't hit a stationary target 20km away, but somehow they can hit a target 300km away on the surface of a planet with accuracy on the order of a few meters.
This choice has been made for the benefit of DUST players, who will want to try out EVE and be shelling a planet within a few minutes.
If battleships are ever allowed to fire at planets it will only be 1.2x as good as a destroyer.
Im a little afraid that more bad things will happen to my beloved eve to make things easier for Dust players. Can't they just HTFU like we always have to :D
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