I'm not generally a fan of buzzwords, but at least it looks like you're using your own for this one

Regarding the idea of helping players decide what to do next, It's worth considering whether the current game design for PVE content is a good one; a lot of it is hidden away, and discovering (or re-discovering) that content creates a barrier between different groups of players. I don't believe this is a good design, and it might be worth reconsidering the design of EVE's exploration content to make, at least some of it, more obvious in space.

that is a terrible idea

things being discoverable is neat

that is a terrible idea

things being discoverable is neat

How is this different from the "Jesus Features" that CCP vowed to never do again? Just smaller stuff under one common theme? What if a theme needs a really big change to make worthwhile?

Nice to see you supporting the Enablers, although I prefer the term Makers and Breakers.

JON LANDER I WANT YOU TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF SOMETHING!!!!!

Also, the CSM minutes will be published in the next 24-48 hours. We've been waiting on this dev blog.

How is this different from the "Jesus Features" that CCP vowed to never do again? Just smaller stuff under one common theme? What if a theme needs a really big change to make worthwhile?

Nice to see you supporting the Enablers, although I prefer the term Makers and Breakers.

So Unifex is "big picture," Seagull is "near term vision," and Ripley is "next release."

Sounds good to me. Congratulations, CCP Seagull.

I'm looking forward to the minutes.

Congrats! Now first order of business for this week: release CREST! Next week's agenda: port over all the current feeds in the API to CREST and release them!

Seagull is vision.
Ripley is the Whip.

JON LANDER I WANT YOU TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF SOMETHING!!!!!

Also, the CSM minutes will be published in the next 24-48 hours. We've been waiting on this dev blog.

sounds like it's time for new content that you "abandoned", oh say about a year or so ago. Give us another small piece of the WIS pie for starters, remember WIS was YOUR idea and vision CCP and you suckered in a lot of subs with those fancy videos you put out to promote WIS. additionally, I'd like for industry at POS's in 0.0 and low sec to have bonuses and benefits that exceed those of high sec. No, please do not touch high-sec industry, just buff the POS bonuses to be worth something. This is NOT that hard and some people will be very happy to see this improved.

I know CCP has it all hidden, but there is a wealth of content that you have sitting on the back burner from years of teasers and a whole region of Jove space that is just collecting dust. Wouldn't Jove space be a good end game area where all systems have to be discovered and there are no stargates or stations but is a completely new sandbox to explore and build in? Seriously, knock the dust off those ideas and do something with them!

This post right here. This post!

sounds like it's time for new content that you "abandoned", oh say about a year or so ago. Give us another small piece of the WIS pie for starters, remember WIS was YOUR idea and vision CCP and you suckered in a lot of subs with those fancy videos you put out to promote WIS. additionally, I'd like for industry at POS's in 0.0 and low sec to have bonuses and benefits that exceed those of high sec. No, please do not touch high-sec industry, just buff the POS bonuses to be worth something. This is NOT that hard and some people will be very happy to see this improved.

Working on it! :) At least on releasing CREST. Have some legal dragons to slay still, we're taking those source code requirements out of the license for example.

There are some people who make things work - they pre-fit ships for a fleet op, they run mega-spreadsheets for the industry production lines needed to equip the war effort, build tools to manage a corporation or command large fleets. Their activities enable others to have fun in EVE. And then there are some people who instigate big plans that others can help realize. Whether in null, low or high sec, the dreams and ambitions of these people inspire others with purpose.

We can still do big things and long term things that take more than one release, because we can have a single theme run across multiple releases - and ship the "big" thing in the second or third release on a theme - or just silently work on shipping preparation features for a bigger change, like how the refactoring of Crimewatch was done, before we made any real changes to the related features.

I think a "Jesus feature" means some single huge feature that is believed to be THE solution to either growing or fixing the game - and that's what we want to never do again. But we can still do big changes to the game - just with a clear idea of what we're trying to achieve with them, and a realistic set of expectations for what they will bring to the game.

We can still do big things and long term things that take more than one release, because we can have a single theme run across multiple releases - and ship the "big" thing in the second or third release on a theme - or just silently work on shipping preparation features for a bigger change, like how the refactoring of Crimewatch was done, before we made any real changes to the related features.

I think a "Jesus feature" means some single huge feature that is believed to be THE solution to either growing or fixing the game - and that's what we want to never do again. But we can still do big changes to the game - just with a clear idea of what we're trying to achieve with them, and a realistic set of expectations for what they will bring to the game.

POSes are very expensive to operate and should provide solid utility value for their cost, but I fundamentally disagree with the idea of leaving highsec industry completely alone. I don't suggest nerfing manufacturing slots or refining percentages per se, though making the standard for refining amounts 35%, rather than 50%, might not be the worst idea ever conceived. Highly skilled players will still be able to reach 100% net yields. But, I prefer another option.

In the current game design, refining is a free action; it takes no time, and is probably a relic of vendor trash RPG design. Instead of the action being immediate, why not modify refineries to work like the assembly lines do, with a set amount of time to perform each act of refining and reprocessing? Not only would this create a new way to make 0.0 and lowsec better (more abundant and or faster slots), but it would also help address the issues in mineral compression.

Uh, POS do offer solid value for their cost.

33% increase in production volume isn't value?

I think a "Jesus feature" means some single huge feature that is believed to be THE solution to either growing or fixing the game - and that's what we want to never do again. But we can still do big changes to the game - just with a clear idea of what we're trying to achieve with them, and a realistic set of expectations for what they will bring to the game.

"Ask "What should I do now?" a lot"

I've been actually thinking about this since I started playing the game - for players uncertain about any kind of direction they want to take in the game, there isn't really all that much direction offered. Lots of option, but sometimes lots of options can be confusing to the point where you don't know which one to pick. Some people make these kinds of decisions quickly, others may find the veritable buffet of awesome options to be a little overwhelming. I know I did. I still haven't decided, 8 months in, what it is I'm actually doing in this game, and I'm kinda just running missions on default as I go without any clear direction. That's not necessarily a bad thing, though, but even making decisions about a player corp has been difficult because I'm still not sure what I want out of it. I may be settling on FW soon, but that's still a "may be".

I was thinking about some kind of tool that might be added to the NeoCon that you can click and it opens up a list of suggestions of something you could do next based on your current skills, whether you're in a player or NPC corp, and your location, and another list of suggestions of things you could be doing if you focus on certain skills, or something like that.

Kinda like the way the dynamic World Tour mode works in Forza motorsport 4, where it takes the cars in your garage into account when it suggests race events, except on a wider scope and a little info box that pops up so you can enquire about what the activity suggested entails. I think it would be a good way to give new players especially a way to explore various horizons and make a more educated choice, based on their own unique playstyle and preferences, on any specific career paths or player corps they might want to join.

We can still do big things and long term things that take more than one release, because we can have a single theme run across multiple releases - and ship the "big" thing in the second or third release on a theme - or just silently work on shipping preparation features for a bigger change, like how the refactoring of Crimewatch was done, before we made any real changes to the related features.

I think a "Jesus feature" means some single huge feature that is believed to be THE solution to either growing or fixing the game - and that's what we want to never do again. But we can still do big changes to the game - just with a clear idea of what we're trying to achieve with them, and a realistic set of expectations for what they will bring to the game.

I am not a starship. I am quite tired that this game only allows me to be a starship or a spreadsheet. I am disappointed that all future plans for human avatars in this game involve some kind of combat game, maybe even a FPS.

And very specially I am tired that, two years after Incursion, the avatars in game still are a big f*** you at everyone who trusted CCP about avatars.

Do you plan to do something with avatars before we all grow old and die?

Technical Producer
CCP Games Reykjavik

we are going into a pre-production phase for the summer expansion of EVE Online, where we establish what the theme will be and what features and changes will be part of that theme. We will involve the CSM

We want to make EVE more accessible, but without making it casual, removing sophistication or dumbing it down. We think that today there are a lot of situations in EVE where you are left without any good answers when pondering what you should do next - unless you find someone already on the inside who can tell you. So for both new and experienced players, we'll be looking at what kind of answers we are providing to this question - both as a way to better point people to things that are already in the game, and as a way to find new features to develop for play styles or time requirements where we have gaps today.

TL;DR no new content for hi-sec.

We listen in many places and to lots of data, and no single stakeholder (including the internal ones) gets to define the agenda.
The CSM notes from the "Second Decade" session from the summit will have some more detail on how I see what we should do - keep an eye out for that one.

Is it an educated guess to expect the pos rework in the summer expansion or am I beeing too optimistic?

The plan is to add meaningful gameplay that ties into the wider Eve universe. When pointed out previously, this has seemed to offend and upset you.

Following the blog just published by CCP Unifex, CCP Seagull, Senior Producer for EVE Online has more information about the future of EVE. Check out her blog right here and give us your thoughts in this thread.

Anyway, you'll probably never read this, so why am i even bothering.. *sigh*

Seagull, it's all fine and dandy mentioning the well being of 3rd party devs, and then say CREST.

But how about fixing the current API.

- Implement a proper cache, so we don't have to look at 119s on the killlog for example
- Add missing end points (Indexes, FW Progression, Incursions, Faction Info, Alliance Info, Station Details)
- Making it less unstable, maybe add an extra server or two to power it

And on the CREST side of things

- ability to interface with the CHAT system (as in, sending and recieving chat messages from channels and people live, so we can build an IRC/JABBER/WHATEVER gateway)

Oh and, come onto IRC in #eve-dev and stay around. Esp. if you actually mean you want to help the 3rd party devs give more tools to the players.


Anyway, you'll probably never read this, so why am i even bothering.. *sigh*

Well aren't you the cheerful one.

(I'll try and drop by IRC every once in a while to say hi and listen to feedback, but my productivity is destroyed if I am online all the time, so I have to turn of my irc client most of the time)

So who's CCP Seagull, really?

"Meaningful" to whom? To players who already fit into EVE and need no new gameplay to keep playing for years, or to players who could fit and subscribe forever if they were offered something else?

EVE is a massive universe, but it haves no room for casual players who can't compromise nor to solo players who fail at socializing.

You can't add that to FiS. WiS is the only chance that the misfits find a place in EVE without spoiling it to the rest.

Well, it's good to see thet there is a hope to see eve actually evolving in the way of the sci-fi universe.

For me, bad thing about eve is that is focusing only on combat, and mostly PvP combat.

Thare is no people in CSM that i choose. And most of them are 0.0 players - no wonder we don't have support for the new content like WiS, mining, real exploration of space and planets, maybe solo gameplay alternative (it's good that there is a lot of oppertunities for groups in this game, but why we are forced to do it ALL OF THE TIME by the lack of content for solo payers? I like to be in a group sometimes, but i'd like to have my own interesting things to do, so i will turn the chat off and actually relax of all this other people's problems and bullshit, and feel myself as a captain of my own ship).

And the players who wants more than just this PvP game are playeng less, and caring less about the forums and stuff. I'm dropped this game in 2011 and didn't seen anything interesting enough to return since. But i'm active subscriber - i wonder is that is all that mater for CCP...

So in the end we have the impression that spaceship combat is all that all people want.

Oh, there are some Incarna guys on this page. Why are they always ignored by CCP? There is a lot of interesting things that can be done through the avatar gameplay. Or the 0.0 goverment will cry again?

TL;DR no new content for hi-sec.

tl/dr: almost nobody gets a whole pizza expansion, but almost everybody gets a nice tasty slice every expansion.

I'm about 99% sure about the answer to this question, but due to an alliance mate who only has Reading Comprehension up to Level II and who is trying his best to be a pain in the ass (or a troll), could I please get an answer to this question:

Does this announcement (in any way) mean that the BC balancing/skill split will now happen on Feb 12th instead of this summer (as announced by CCP Fozzie)?

thanks in advance to anyone who bothers to answer that stupid question

the skill change is scheduled for our Summer expansion 2013

I'm about 99% sure about the answer to this question, but due to an alliance mate who only has Reading Comprehension up to Level II and who is trying his best to be a pain in the ass (or a troll), could I please get an answer to this question:

Does this announcement (in any way) mean that the BC balancing/skill split will now happen on Feb 12th instead of this summer (as announced by CCP Fozzie)?

thanks in advance to anyone who bothers to answer that stupid question

I would like to see something happen with Incarna as well, but you are not making a convincing case; you're just complaining about how terrible EVE is going to remain until you get the walking in stations system that you want. I will not be easily convinced, nor hopefully anyone in charge at CCP, that now is the time to make such technical investments. What vision are they supposed to work towards? What are the features supposed to do? How is it supposed to make the Eve Universe bigger and better for new and old players alike? Until someone can answer those questions legitimately, while working within the confines of available resources so that CCP's Flying in Space investments and investment capabilities will not be compromised, CCP should not be adding any WiS features.

I would like to see something happen with Incarna as well, but you are not making a convincing case; you're just complaining about how terrible EVE is going to remain until you get the walking in stations system that you want. I will not be easily convinced, nor hopefully anyone in charge at CCP, that now is the time to make such technical investments. What vision are they supposed to work towards? What are the features supposed to do? How is it supposed to make the Eve Universe bigger and better for new and old players alike? Until someone can answer those questions legitimately, while working within the confines of available resources so that CCP's Flying in Space investments and investment capabilities will not be compromised, CCP should not be adding any WiS features.

I would like to see something happen with Incarna as well, but you are not making a convincing case; you're just complaining about how terrible EVE is going to remain until you get the walking in stations system that you want. I will not be easily convinced, nor hopefully anyone in charge at CCP, that now is the time to make such technical investments. What vision are they supposed to work towards? What are the features supposed to do? How is it supposed to make the Eve Universe bigger and better for new and old players alike? Until someone can answer those questions legitimately, while working within the confines of available resources so that CCP's Flying in Space investments and investment capabilities will not be compromised, CCP should not be adding any WiS features.

I see your point, but my opinions have been scattered widely all over the forums since Incarna. i also have got my own trolls ("Barbiesinspace" Ghazu and "Habbohotel" Scatim helicon among others) to slander them.

Yet let's paint it this way. Incarna was released without asking players what did they want. And since then, CCP still hasn't asked players what do they want for WiS. They've come as far as to develop a kind of prototype that involves exploration, dungeon raiding and even FPS (the less they talk about it, the weirder it looks in my imagination), and yet nobody in CCP start a devblog and ask "What shall we do with avatars?".

They don't even interact with the community, as there's a few threads going on and essentially CCP devs can't bother to come and say "hi" as if they were giving a **** of the whole matter.

So, "What shall CCP do with avatars?"

So far I can provide a short list of dont's:

Don't make them compete with nullsec for risk/reward, else they will be slain as happened to incursions and Level 5 missions.
Don't make them "theme park ride" as that don't belongs to EVE (that's my biggest irk with the "prototype").
Don't make them "group enjoyable only" as that won't adress the issue of solo players.
Don't make them "second job-ish" as that won't adress the issue of casual players.
Don't make them "combat PvP only" as spaceship content massively fills that niche to exhaustion.

Abridged version: do not make avatars "more of the same".

Yes, things being discoverable is neat, but what should be the threshold for having to find content? Should you have to launch a probe every time you enter a system to find if there's any content at all? Maybe it would be better if the solar system map showed you a rough indicator of what PvE content is available before you launch any probes.

I'm not against leaving really neat stuff buried far away, so long as it doesn't create an unnecessarily large barrier between players. As things are currently designed, ESPECIALLY when it comes to basic ship blasting PVE, I think this barrier is too large.

Does this mean that walking in stations may yet become a reality? Because I'm that one remaining player who still really wants to see this grow into a significant part of the game. Yes, the implementation of it was badly botched in the past and rightly halted, but I hope we'll see it one day...

Im also realy like this to be as well.

Maby not in station but think walking in and old complex out in the space. Walk in and find an terminal to hack. or find some ancient relics and so on.

Exploration walks would be so dam cool.

sounds good any idea how many ships will have been rebalanced by the summer Alliance tournament?

We'll have that in place by the time we write the rules, but we're still a fair ways from that point atm.

JON LANDER I WANT YOU TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF SOMETHING!!!!!

Also, the CSM minutes will be published in the next 24-48 hours. We've been waiting on this dev blog.

Does this mean that walking in stations may yet become a reality? Because I'm that one remaining player who still really wants to see this grow into a significant part of the game. Yes, the implementation of it was badly botched in the past and rightly halted, but I hope we'll see it one day...

What i really want with the WIS thing is for the damn client to STOP randomly putting me into the captains quarters every once in a while when i dock.. Its really really annoying.

Talk is cheap.

I started playing eve in anticipation for WiS, and 2-3 years on it is nowhere to be seen, so forgive me if i don't have much faith in the design teams plans for the future.

As much as i love paying for CCP to polish their 10 year old game and fix things that could/should have been addressed years ago, i doubt that they will produce any new spaceship content that has as much potential to enrich the eve universe as avatar based gameplay... but i would love to be proven wrong.

I would like to see people walking in stations. I know its complicated but promise is a promise.

How much money would it cost ? Maybe we just should create special investment fund for WIS. Lovers...

.......few years later...... CCP : "Just look at this awesome (34th) WIS trailer"

It doesn't matter how much money you throw at them, a development team (and a development company) can only work on so many projects. And we, as a community, have decided that WiS takes a back seat to pretty much everything that is already being worked on as we post.

So not to tell you how to do your job, but what I've bolded here is already a very effective solution to the problem of "What do I do next?" Investing dev time to make alternatives available isn't unreasonable, certainly, but you could probably have a lot of impact on this just by further encouraging getting advice from senior players who have done, well, almost everything.

Have CCP publish spotlights with players that specialize in certain specific careers or live in certain types of environments. The problem, of course, is how to deliver this to the silent player who doesn't read the forums or engage all that much with the community. Answer: Put it in their CQs. Put it on the big screen, an index of "So you want to be an X" interviews.

I'm not talking about tutorials here, by the way. The tutorials you have are pretty good. This is more like advertising, for players who are well beyond the tutorials, to let them know what options are out there and maybe give them some indication of how to engage with it.

Oh, and absolutely use players for this rather than hackneyed dev-created characters. Ultimately, we're the ones who play the game, and if you want to advertise what it's like to do something as a player, you will never get a more accurate picture than from those players who do it every day.

We will involve the CSM in this process as one of the stakeholders, so make sure you use your representatives!

In the CSM minutes you used the word "Lurker" for solo carebears, some may call this a derogatory term, but I'm not gonna start a war over this :)

There is a reason why I largely freelance my time in eve too other fleets and not join an alliance (though been asked a few times)

And why in GW2 I am in the Angry Army (yes Joe's one) or in STO a large fleet (eve equivalant for a corp, not alliance), POTBS medium size Society, or 4 years ago during WoW in a UK 18+ guild, and have fun with others every week, but in eve sometimes weeks go by and not fleet with another (do miss those 9hr fleet ops with DJ Sarge :)

It's because Eve is a high risc game, where trust is paper thin and you keep your enemies on your "friends list".

Alot of Lurkers may just be players that are Introvert, Reader, Analyst or Builder, and if they are what you say they are "Lurkers" it's because this game at this state made them into that.


PS: you can find me hopefully in a WH corp next year after the POS revamp has been done, that or
RSI Star Citizen's Loose Association of Mercenaries and Privateers

Oh almost forgot, If and I stretch the word IF I ever want to join a null sec alliance, where they have ship replacement programs, no npc grind for clone facilities, spam F1 on a doctrine fitted ship, no undock without logi support, and be quite on comms when an insane FC shouts at some ****** in the fleet, how is this better than "Lurking" ? my 2 cents

The outside world, still views this game as a sociopath's playground, and the former CSM chairperson confirming that believe, even though he apologized and CCP dealt punishment, how will you attract new players with just a few UI tweaks with Eve's reputation ? Haven't heard from David Reid since nov 2012, and that was so far only about Dust514 really.

This

Basically what I would like is for CCP to stop saying "we will deliver something at some point in some way for avatars" and actually commit and deliver something that is fun and adds to EVE.

Sometimes I wonder if the problem is that there are too many ways that they could take avatar game play and they can't decide to which direction that they should commit their resources.

For example

- Exploring sleeper stations in wormhole space
- Interiors for POS's (clubhouses in space FTW)
- Spaces in stations to meet (and command) dust bunnies
- Illegal booster trade in bars (and being tracked by bounty hunters)
- Upgrades to captains quarters.

Spoiled for choice.

Congrats on the promotions everyone! Summer release theme suggestions from me:

- "Our own penthouse in space" (POS's and the abilities of player owned structures and capital ships)
- "We Love Our Logistics" - (Helping the industrialists, miners, transporters and marketeers. Giving them more incentive and making it easier for them to provide us with stuff to blow each other up with! Along with those enablers and facilitators)

So ehm, what happened with CCP Soundwave?

These things + give us Carebears back our lvl 5 missions in high sec (appropriately reduced bounties and LP of course), give us mini Carriers that aren't OMFGWTFBBQ strong for high sec, but better than our BS, or a mini dread?(again not too OP for high sec)

I have no objection to this IF there are new games mechanics that include some kind of risk when you use these new toys... And yes i am talking about pvp kind of risk not avoiding a stupid death caused by stronger NPCs. And these powerful toys shouldn't be able to create any new isk.


Also high sec has the larger player base if they have no representatives it's the fault of players that don't care about the CSM.


Apart from that i am really enthusiastic about this dev blog

We will involve the CSM in this process as one of the stakeholders, so make sure you use your representatives!

In the CSM minutes you used the word "Lurker" for solo carebears, some may call this a derogatory term, but I'm not gonna start a war over this :)

There is a reason why I largely freelance my time in eve too other fleets and not join an alliance (though been asked a few times)

And why in GW2 I am in the Angry Army (yes Joe's one) or in STO a large fleet (eve equivalant for a corp, not alliance), POTBS medium size Society, or 4 years ago during WoW in a UK 18+ guild, and have fun with others every week, but in eve sometimes weeks go by and not fleet with another (do miss those 9hr fleet ops with DJ Sarge :)

It's because Eve is a high risc game, where trust is paper thin and you keep your enemies on your "friends list".

Alot of Lurkers may just be players that are Introvert, Reader, Analyst or Builder, and if they are what you say they are "Lurkers" it's because this game at this state made them into that.


PS: you can find me hopefully in a WH corp next year after the POS revamp has been done, that or
RSI Star Citizen's Loose Association of Mercenaries and Privateers

Oh almost forgot, If and I stretch the word IF I ever want to join a null sec alliance, where they have ship replacement programs, no npc grind for clone facilities, spam F1 on a doctrine fitted ship, no undock without logi support, and be quite on comms when an insane FC shouts at some ****** in the fleet, how is this better than "Lurking" ? my 2 cents

The outside world, still views this game as a sociopath's playground, and the former CSM chairperson confirming that believe, even though he apologized and CCP dealt punishment, how will you attract new players with just a few UI tweaks with Eve's reputation ? Haven't heard from David Reid since nov 2012, and that was so far only about Dust514 really.

What the hell kind of trolling is this? The CSM only represents whoever decided to pull some mutual ************ or their closest buddies in their null-sec alliances - they're not "representatives" of the community as a whole and they never have been.

Want to know something harder than communicating with a CCP Dev? Communicating with a CSM "Representative". Incidentally enough I can hit up a CCP Dev on Twitter/Skype and get a response. A CSM "Rep" will completely phase out any outside interference and probably put it in the folder labeled: "ONLY OPEN DURING VOTING SEASON" when they suddenly start talking to people personally.

I have no objection to this IF there are new games mechanics that include some kind of risk when you use these new toys... And yes i am talking about pvp kind of risk not avoiding a stupid death caused by stronger NPCs. And these powerful toys shouldn't be able to create any new isk.


Also high sec has the larger player base if they have no representatives it's the fault of players that don't care about the CSM.


Apart from that i am really enthusiastic about this dev blog

The CSM our our representatives, now if they wont talk to you make some noise.

come voting season find a candidate you like and actively get out and drum up support for them.

The current CSM candidates who suck (I will not state names) are there because people voted them in with a massive 1/3 of 1% of eves population required to get them a seat.

The more people that vote the better we have and we will not have to suffer a Null Sec Lobby group or incompetence.

I ran and was elected to the CSM with driving support for mining, industry, casual and solo play. Also WiS. In fact after the new forums came out created the largest thread to try and create more commitment for WiS from CCP.

All I can say at this point is that players that believe avatars are important to the future of Eve have to continue to try and make that point to CCP.

So keep up the pressure!

Issler

I ran and was elected to the CSM with driving support for mining, industry, casual and solo play. Also WiS. In fact after the new forums came out created the largest thread to try and create more commitment for WiS from CCP.

All I can say at this point is that players that believe avatars are important to the future of Eve have to continue to try and make that point to CCP.

So keep up the pressure!

Issler

Well, try to walk in OUR shoes...

My last mission runner ship costed me 4 months of mission grinding. Have you EVER grinded for 4 months to achieve anything in EVE?

I dare you to try to, sincerely. Try to grind for 4 months, and then come out in your shiny new toy and risk have it blown to smitherens by a tiny bunch of punks in Tornados as they spout nonsense about how your "risk vs reward" is too low compared to all-is-full-of-blue nullsec.

What about players that believe WiS was a monumental waste of resources, that almost killed EvE Online, and are completely against anything sims releated in EvE?

Can we also keep up the pressure? (the pressure created awesome expansions, crucible, inferno and retribution)

A more accurate explanation of that protest was that people involved, had several reasons to protest, among those is a group that wants nothing to do with WiS, but it's exacurated at least to claim all those people where/are against every implantment of WiS.


An other rising thread is the growing number of Scifi MMO's and sims, untill so far I haven't seen one that can deliver what EVE does, Though I've seen why you don't want to remove Highsec.

And I think With Elite and Star Citizen, EVE has a chance on some serious compitition on the horison.

Games and Developers that appeal to the older playerbase that is EVE, with possibly options that make people consider and choose one over the other.

I'm all for reballancing and make sure that all that is offered actualy works, though CCP should seriously look at new gamplay options or it will stagnate, and it will loose players to the new kids on the block, which result in less money to invest in there game, and down goes the spiral.

There aren't only players to gain by making useful content for Incarna/Wis but also players to loose when a fitting alternative presents it self.

If you care to look at the actual numbers hte last extension has been a great success so what you are advocating isn't exactly backed up by numbers... Balancing is better than WiS

But we don't have WiS. We have a room.

So you want a second room ? A shower maybe ? A bar ? Stop kidding and fix POSes.

I see... i suppose i should act as a reasonnable person and ask for a new dress and give up on the spaceship thing.

Can we also keep up the pressure? (the pressure created awesome expansions, crucible, inferno and retribution)

Yeah... I didn't even remember what was in those expansions...

Ah yes, something with missille effects and the hangar... Ah, the destroyers too. Useless, but some models are nice...

If you care to look at the actual numbers hte last extension has been a great success so what you are advocating isn't exactly backed up by numbers... Balancing is better than WiS

I'm all for reballancing and make sure that all that is offered actualy works, though CCP should seriously look at new gamplay options or it will stagnate, and it will loose players to the new kids on the block, which result in less money to invest in there game, and down goes the spiral.

So keep up the pressure!

So wheres the walking in stations, incarna or how you want to call it?
You make us wait another year?

I'd never learn about LARP without you mentioning it in blog. Thank you, Andie.

But in MY shoes, I am well aware that it's the guys like us who pay for the bills, and we are a limited resource CCP has been exploiting for 10 years, and that resource is drying up.

CCP is having trouble in keeping TQ alive. Not serious trouble yet, but they're advertising themselves like crazy and once that is not enough, they'll have to start offering rebates/discounts, and then things will begin to look gloomy.

But we don't have WiS. We have a room.

So you want a second room ? A shower maybe ? A bar ? Stop kidding and fix POSes.

You are amazing... I guess one of the biggest change in the meta game for small gank pvp with the revamp for logistic cruisers is "useless" ?

EVE is a pvp game at is core if you don't want to do pvp whether it be market pvp or usual pvp don't play the game ... Eve is unique in the sense that you take part in that pvp environment every single time you log in. That's exactly why POS revamp, Tech nerf, rebalancing are the core issues to tackle.

Walking with dress and drinking in a bar with NPCs is not what eve is about, there are plenty of other games out there with that kind of stuff and it's not the spirit of eve online, it's not what make people plying the game. Do you really believe that people will start playing the game because there is a bedroom for your character ? No the kind of player interested in that aspect of the game will play another MMO but will not play eve, the game isn't about that and the day it will be about that i will quit playing it.

You are amazing... I guess one of the biggest change in the meta game for small gank pvp with the revamp for logistic cruisers is "useless" ?

EVE is a pvp game at is core if you don't want to do pvp whether it be market pvp or usual pvp don't play the game ... Eve is unique in the sense that you take part in that pvp environment every single time you log in. That's exactly why POS revamp, Tech nerf, rebalancing are the core issues to tackle.

Walking with dress and drinking in a bar with NPCs is not what eve is about, there are plenty of other games out there with that kind of stuff and it's not the spirit of eve online, it's not what make people plying the game. Do you really believe that people will start playing the game because there is a bedroom for your character ? No the kind of player interested in that aspect of the game will play another MMO but will not play eve, the game isn't about that and the day it will be about that i will quit playing it.

Clearly, you have not been keeping up with what has been going on. CCP created a new team know as "team avatar" who's job it was to create prototype meaningful avatar gameplay that involved as much PVP as any part of eve. That was canned for some reason... maybe so they could pour more money down the drain developing Dust and WoD .

And FYI it looks like CCP are also going to can their plans to introduce modular POS's: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=194625

So yeah, more empty promises.

I fail to see how what you posted prove that i haven't been keeping up with CCP work... Actually i don't really see how it is related to my post.

EVE is a pvp game at is core if you don't want to do pvp whether it be market pvp or usual pvp don't play the game ...

Walking with dress and drinking in a bar with NPCs is not what eve is about...

Finally... I was really waiting for this blog!


CCP Seagull please, if you have some time, take a look at these treads on my signature, they have some concepts that I have being working on, and you may find interesting. Expecially the "Sandcastle POS" where you build it the way you like...

The first is a vision about the POS revamp (That everyone is asking for, this topic have over 5000 views), in it I tried to gather most of Comunity/CSM/Game Market desires and built something usefull. This feature would be really usefull to the "enablers", and also would open new possibilities of gameplay. Most of people that I showed this says: "This is too good, but I dont think CCP can do It..." so there is the challange, to get as close as possible to this...

The second is something about the industry and the refinning process. Less important then the first but yet, maybe somewhat usefull. If you don't have much time read the first....

I hope you appreciate it, I have put allot of effort in this...

Thx for your time.

As sayed... now the world will burn in flames... http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com.br/2013/01/i-am-small-portion-of-community.html

Or you should read the origional post I made number 88 of this thread, where I though I made pretty clear that is should not be about a bed or a dress, but it should ad to the exsisting experience and shouldn't be a pretty chat room.

Huh, POSers just got the same treatment as WiSers... I feel your pain, but let me pont this out: your feature does exist and works, ours neither works nor exists.

And the risk of such an approach is that whilst everyone gets a bite to eat, no-one feels satisfied.

Well the proof, as always, is in the pudding (aren't food analogies fun?)

Andie Nordgren is a genderqueer relationship hacker and a key voice behind the Relationship Anarchy movement, which originated in Sweden but is now gaining international interest. Please see Andie's Log for more information.

Haha oh god, bye bye eve, next up a button on the login screen you have to press to say you've checked your CIS privilege, I foresee a repeat of CCP Zulu but not before a load of awful decisions that further damage the game have been made.

We will start working to give the GÇ¥EnablersGÇ¥ better tools, and to make sure GÇ£InstigatorsGÇ¥ have cool and worthwhile ways to make an impact on the EVE universe when they inspire others to join them. We believe that helping these two archetypes achieve their own goals is the best way to have the sandbox of EVE thrive - by supporting them in creating their own exciting plans and schemes that people can be excited to join

Whether in null, Wormholes, low or high sec, the dreams and ambitions of these people inspire others with purpose.

I would like to see people walking in stations. I know its complicated but promise is a promise.

How much money would it cost ? Maybe we just should create special investment fund for WIS. Lovers...

.......few years later...... CCP : "Just look at this awesome (34th) WIS trailer"

POSes are poorly executed but are necessary and contribute to gameplay.

WiS is beautifully executed, unnecessary, and doesn't contribute to gameplay.

They couldn't be further apart, really.

POSes are poorly executed but are necessary and contribute to gameplay.

WiS is beautifully executed, unnecessary, and doesn't contribute to gameplay.

They couldn't be further apart, really.

WiS is not just a pretty shiny. Walking in Stations is Eve-Online's unrealized other half. An entire world is missing from this game. It has been missing for 10 years, and its continued absence from the game is doing CCP no favors.

Well, it's good to see thet there is a hope to see eve actually evolving in the way of the sci-fi universe.

For me, bad thing about eve is that is focusing only on combat, and mostly PvP combat.

Thare is no people in CSM that i choose. And most of them are 0.0 players - no wonder we don't have support for the new content like WiS, mining, real exploration of space and planets, maybe solo gameplay alternative (it's good that there is a lot of oppertunities for groups in this game, but why we are forced to do it ALL OF THE TIME by the lack of content for solo payers? I like to be in a group sometimes, but i'd like to have my own interesting things to do, so i will turn the chat off and actually relax of all this other people's problems and bullshit, and feel myself as a captain of my own ship).

And the players who wants more than just this PvP game are playeng less, and caring less about the forums and stuff. I'm dropped this game in 2011 and didn't seen anything interesting enough to return since. But i'm active subscriber - i wonder is that is all that mater for CCP...

So in the end we have the impression that spaceship combat is all that all people want.

Oh, there are some Incarna guys on this page. Why are they always ignored by CCP? There is a lot of interesting things that can be done through the avatar gameplay. Or the 0.0 goverment will cry again?

Brilliant. CCP has really turned a corner.

A suggestion for POSs: my corp tries to share the load in terms of fuelling logistics. But if we give someone access to one POS we have to give them access to every POS. This creates a real security hazard, and limits the number of people we feel able to bring into our POS programme. Hence more work and tedium for the few.

Can you make corp security more robust generally?

As someone's who's built a corp up from scratch over four years of toil, it upsets me just how easily one bad element could trash it all. The espionage game in EVE is an interesting dimension, but I think it's way OP right now.

For ship fitting, could there be a mass build option, which would let you fit out 100 ships at once. Or maybe you could right click a hull (or a stack) and choose a fitting from your saved list and it would sort it out for you if you had the modules - rather than having to drag each one individually.

How is this different from the "Jesus Features" that CCP vowed to never do again? Just smaller stuff under one common theme? What if a theme needs a really big change to make worthwhile?

Nice to see you supporting the Enablers, although I prefer the term Makers and Breakers.

A few more thoughts ... if I remember correct, I have read somewhere a statement from CCP Seagull, comparing EVE with STO with the conclusion (in my words), that STO-player are "consumers", while EVE-players are not, they are "makers".

I think that conclusion is right, the most of us are here because we like this "butterfly-effect". Leading a corporation is fun, you can make progress, you keep someting running, but nonetheless, there are times where I am tired and then I want to "consume" ... having some trivial fun.

And I feel, that part is missing. Some talk in the chats, ok. But else? Remember one of the Incarna-teasers? That table-game they showed (some sort of the settlers?) could be something. Damn, we got holoreels, so why doesn't a genius corporation invent a holodesk, where you can play a few games with others ... : )

Speaking of long term development,
Whatever happened to the Section of On The Drawing Board ..
It's too big to paste on one post, so here is a link to what was there in September 2008.
On the Drawing Board 2008