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Rafein
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Posted - 2005.07.02 15:13:00 -
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The change really does not affect the real pirates. Only Carebear Pirates were affected.
No more killing some NPC's to make everything forgiven. Now being a pirate is, as it was intended. You get chased out of Empire, with no quick ticket back in.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.07.02 15:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Rafein
The change really does not affect the real pirates. Only Carebear Pirates were affected.
No more killing some NPC's to make everything forgiven. Now being a pirate is, as it was intended. You get chased out of Empire, with no quick ticket back in.
Nope, they'll fix their sec before the patch hits and war dec soft targets.
People going into .4 and lower accept (but dont like) the fact they may be shot at.
Newish industrial corps will be slaughtered like lambs or forced never to undock because it's legal and blessed by CCP.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.07.02 15:29:00 -
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Aye.
I bet the number of NPCs killed over the next few days is going up drasticly, followed by the number of war decs going up, and the amount of whining by 'soft targets'.
/Elve
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2005.07.02 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Avalon Beholder
going up 1.9 will take approximately 240 hours of NPCing assuming 15 BS kills an hour (v. Optimistic).
At 4 hours a day thats a little over 2 months doing NOTHING else. If you stop to loot the cans double or triple that time
Maximum amount of sec gains per hour is 4 because of the 15 minute delay, so 15 npc bs kills an hour still counts as 4 increases.
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Hastrabull
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Posted - 2005.07.02 16:01:00 -
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I'm very happy because of this change!
This will cause one thing. Only really dedicated pirates will still be pirates. All the fecking carebears that gank people in .4 space will vanish just because going up in ss is almost impossible.
Now if you want to be pirate, you become pirate and everyone knows that you are pirate.
Add to this, that much more people will come to lower sec space and you will have really nice game with more, much more risk involved.
Now only dedicated groups of players will still be pirates. What does it mean?
-10 sec status but also fame and fortune, beautiful girls and a bottle of rum :)
Now pirate profesion will again be the same as the old days, when Moo was the worst nightmare of half of the galaxy :)
And yes, alot of people will find out that hundreds of pilots are unable to get to yulai so they will move their shops down to .4, .1 space. What does it mean? no more 200 people in yulai.
Add NWO and you will have huge regions of space with alot of pirates and other pilots.
I think its very good change, really.
(sorry for my english).
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.07.02 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: Deja Thoris
The problem is "pirates" is a term that is bandied about too loosely.
Have a beef with someone and pass them in lowsec? Kill them and forever be damned.
Doesn't make me a "pirate" though.
If you got a beef with someone, and don't want to go through the ordeal of dealing with that beef within the boundaries of the law. Then yes, you deal with the consequences.
*sigh*
Did you even read what she wrote earlier?
"Merc" alts war dec noob corps for fun and have mains supply them with ships and weapons. Someone war decs the "mercs" and they don't log in for a week and play on their unknown mains. Only way to get revenge is to catch them in low sec.
If people can't regain sec status fairly easily then 99.99% of "piracy" will be in 0.0 or through legal empire wars. Currently nearly all "piracy" is that anyway.
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.07.02 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Hastrabull
I'm very happy because of this change!
This will cause one thing. Only really dedicated pirates will still be pirates. All the fecking carebears that gank people in .4 space will vanish just because going up in ss is almost impossible.
Nope. The lame gankers will just war dec noobs and Industrial corps.
Or else CCP will screw the war system even further.
If they do then I will use my second account to gank as many carebears as I can and generally ruin anything they would gain from such changes.
I am generally against doing such things, but am so sick of continued whining from a few cowards ruining the game for the majority.
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.
-- Ancient "Dirt" Religious figure. |
nahtoh
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Posted - 2005.07.02 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: theRaptor
Originally by: Hastrabull
I'm very happy because of this change!
This will cause one thing. Only really dedicated pirates will still be pirates. All the fecking carebears that gank people in .4 space will vanish just because going up in ss is almost impossible.
Nope. The lame gankers will just war dec noobs and Industrial corps.
Or else CCP will screw the war system even further.
If they do then I will use my second account to gank as many carebears as I can and generally ruin anything they would gain from such changes.
I am generally against doing such things, but am so sick of continued whining from a few cowards ruining the game for the majority.
They already do..the sec gain was bugged they found it they fixed it.
For the love of christ/deity of choice this was not because of some whine fest...go after the gankers thathit the indy corps not in the indy corps...they are te ones that cause this stuff to happen...
"I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but
why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the
problem solve itself" (credits to mcallister TCS)
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Uncle George
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Posted - 2005.07.02 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: theRaptor
Originally by: Hastrabull
I'm very happy because of this change!
This will cause one thing. Only really dedicated pirates will still be pirates. All the fecking carebears that gank people in .4 space will vanish just because going up in ss is almost impossible.
Nope. The lame gankers will just war dec noobs and Industrial corps.
Or else CCP will screw the war system even further.
If they do then I will use my second account to gank as many carebears as I can and generally ruin anything they would gain from such changes.
I am generally against doing such things, but am so sick of continued whining from a few cowards ruining the game for the majority.
Can I ask, what your solution is to increasing the number of players in low sec empire 0.0 if it isn't nerfing random gankage? If you have an idea, please post it.
As for using your second account to gank as many carebears - I see you probably do this already so nothing new there. Your attitude is the reason you are getting hit with the nerf bat. Congratulations. You brought it on yourself.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.07.02 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
They wouldn't make a change like this retrospective. It doesn't make sense.
Oh...wait
Retroactive. And it's not about what makes sense. Security status isn't stored as a number. It's stored as a series of increases and decreases, which is calculated and then displayed as a number in-game. All of those 0.4%s were saved and if they're changed to 0.04%, your sec status automatically changes to follow. It's a consequence of how the system currently works. The question is whether or not we can get them to alter the system and remove that.
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2005.07.02 16:29:00 -
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Took me weeks to go from 0.0 to 4.0, so why should you go from -4.0 to 0.0 any faster?
Are you in some way better than I am? Seriously... if you wanna gank targets in lowsec hammering down your sec status then deal with the damn consequences and quit whining.
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2005.07.02 16:41:00 -
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One more step towards carebear-online.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.07.02 16:45:00 -
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as long -10 has only drawbacks on no bonus its just stupid
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Rafein
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Posted - 2005.07.02 16:45:00 -
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The game of Eve is about actions and consequence.
Enter unsecure space, you have the consequence of being open to Pirate attacks.
Participate in pirate attacks, you have the consequence of Low Sec status, and being locked out of Empire.
Bout time the Pirate "consequence" caught up with everyone else's. I mean, you can't go kill some NPC's to make it so Pirates can;t attack you. But killing some NPC's did work for the Pirates to get back into Empire.
But basically, the change is simple. If your gonna be a Pirate, be a Pirate. Don;t get all carebear and want to run back to Empire space. Be a Real Pirate.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.07.02 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
as long -10 has only drawbacks on no bonus its just stupid
You may be onto something, Nafri. What if NPC pirate factions operating on the border of empire, such as the Syndicate, gave bonuses for having a low sec status?
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.07.02 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
1. Putting more people into 0.1 - 0.4 creates more targets for pirates and gets the people that are there more used to the risk and encourages them to move out to 0.0.
2. If a pirate can not handle getting negative security status for taking out targets in 0.1 - 0.4, he should a) go into 0.0 or b) pick up a miner. Saying "no I can't go into 0.0 to pirate, because the Alliances are there and they shoot me" will put your name in my new book called "Carebear Pirates - Coming out of the closet"
Is this a ******* joke? Did you wake up and think "Boy, piracy is way too easy, and wow is it lucrative. We really need to nerf that profession, its just too easy.". You know what being able to fix sec status is a mere hundred or two hours means? It means you get pirates who have only one account, and pirates who pirate on their mains.
You know what you've done by making sec status de-facto impossible to raise? You've made an entire profession the domain of alts. As if the rampant use of alts wasnt retarded enough, you have just gone and forced people to use them, again.
Of course, this is completely ignoring the absolute ******* joke that criminal flagging is. Nearly everyone in low-sec space has argued since it was introduced that its retarded and pointless for both sides, how about you ******* fix that instead of completely destroying the ability to recover from security hits.
I would like to point out that my security status is barely above -2.0, but I havent even shot at anyone in low-sec in 6 months. Now all I need to do is misfire once in high-sec, and not only will I get CONCORDOKKENED, I'll have to do a fun game of spending 4 hours NPCing.
This change is a ******* joke.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.07.02 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Nafri
as long -10 has only drawbacks on no bonus its just stupid
You may be onto something, Nafri. What if NPC pirate factions operating on the border of empire, such as the Syndicate, gave bonuses for having a low sec status?
I suggested something like this a long long time ago, thy wont add it
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Teblin
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Posted - 2005.07.02 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
I suggested something like this a long long time ago, thy wont add it
Perhaps your idea wasn't subtle enough. Something like better missions, lower LP required for agent offers and such would be good, but huge changes like free faction ships are things that won't get into the game.
And I'm not sure about this, actually. Consider that lowering sec status is so much easier than raising it.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.07.02 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Teblin
Originally by: Nafri
I suggested something like this a long long time ago, thy wont add it
Perhaps your idea wasn't subtle enough. Something like better missions, lower LP required for agent offers and such would be good, but huge changes like free faction ships are things that won't get into the game.
And I'm not sure about this, actually. Consider that lowering sec status is so much easier than raising it.
Yep, factions ships are only for carebears, that is what I learned for isk
and imho, you shouldnt be allowed to do pirate mission with a positive sec status
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Soren
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Posted - 2005.07.02 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Teblin
Originally by: Nafri
I suggested something like this a long long time ago, thy wont add it
Perhaps your idea wasn't subtle enough. Something like better missions, lower LP required for agent offers and such would be good, but huge changes like free faction ships are things that won't get into the game.
And I'm not sure about this, actually. Consider that lowering sec status is so much easier than raising it.
But now once you lower it it's "impossible" to re-raise it. I assume the general population wouldn't be willing to take that for better missions or lower LP reqs.
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Jane Vladmir
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Posted - 2005.07.02 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Jane Vladmir on 02/07/2005 17:14:00
How about making 0.5-0.6 available to pirates as 0.4 is, but with Concord defending it. Therefor you can't attack in 0.5-0.6 as you can in 0.4 but you can travel through there and thus move around the eve universe as a pirate.
And yeah, fix Orvolle sec. status please.
EDIT: This has been an idea to make pirating worthwhile.
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.07.02 17:19:00 -
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Oh, I almost forgot:
In before ISD buries the issue and gives warnings to everyone involved in the discussion.
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Teblin
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Posted - 2005.07.02 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Fear
Oh, I almost forgot:
In before ISD buries the issue and gives warnings to everyone involved in the discussion.
As long as people stay on topic, the discussion won't be buried and as long as everyone stays constructive, no warnings will need to be given out.
Keep the good ideas coming, that's what this community does best :).
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.07.02 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Teblin
Originally by: Blind Fear
Oh, I almost forgot:
In before ISD buries the issue and gives warnings to everyone involved in the discussion.
As long as people stay on topic, the discussion won't be buried and as long as everyone stays constructive, no warnings will need to be given out.
Keep the good ideas coming, that's what this community does best :).
too bad Im to lazy to copy paste my idea for sec status
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Verone
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Posted - 2005.07.02 17:47:00 -
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Edited by: Verone on 02/07/2005 17:47:13
To be honest, I don't care about not being able to repair security status. I took the dive, I killed a crap load of people, I serve the "punishment"... although it's not exactly a punishment not having to worry about screwing my sec status up, or having to jump into laggy as hell 1.0 empire systems where 200 people are bum humping their agents
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.07.02 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: theRaptor on 02/07/2005 17:50:58
Originally by: Uncle George
Can I ask, what your solution is to increasing the number of players in low sec empire 0.0 if it isn't nerfing random gankage? If you have an idea, please post it.
Nerfing pirates won't help. They will just pay to war dec the easy targets. Hell now that sec loss is so harsh people will probably ore thieve in 0.4 and lower
Originally by: Uncle George
As for using your second account to gank as many carebears - I see you probably do this already so nothing new there. Your attitude is the reason you are getting hit with the nerf bat. Congratulations. You brought it on yourself.
Bzzt. Sorry, thanks for trying. I have never shot anyone in 0.1 to 0.4. I have never shot anyone who had less then a million SP compared to me. And everyone I have ever shot had guns on. And most have been with T1 frigs or cruisers. Well actually I killed one alt in a shuttle during a fleet op but he had plenty of time to warp off as I started 40km away in a kestrel and even warned him.
By the way grow some balls and post with your main.
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.
-- Ancient "Dirt" Religious figure. |
Brej Donierik
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Posted - 2005.07.02 17:51:00 -
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They should have added a different method for repairing your sec status.
Pirates / PvP'ers are the LEAST likely people to enjoy a grind of any kind; they're into quick combat and instant gratification, having to grind faction is anathema to them. The player who enjoys mining or agent grinding likes it, or can endure it, but not the pirates.
I'm all for CCP introducing a non-grind method for repairing your status. I'd even go as far as suggesting that it be player-related. You lose faction by doing something to other players, you should regain it by doing something to other players.
Don't know what exactly. I'm sure that if I suggest "help a carebear", I'll be flamed to hell and back. Maybe if you kill someone of lower standing than you, you gain quite a bit of sec status. Or if you take on the officially-posted bounties and go hunt those criminals down. Or something like that.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.07.02 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Brej Donierik
They should have added a different method for repairing your sec status.
Pirates / PvP'ers are the LEAST likely people to enjoy a grind of any kind; they're into quick combat and instant gratification, having to grind faction is anathema to them. The player who enjoys mining or agent grinding likes it, or can endure it, but not the pirates.
The problem is that with out the 0.4% BS the grind will be the better part of a year. My sec is 2.4, I have been playing 10 months, and only lost sec status a few times (due to arranged duels). I estimate that without all the 750k BS I have killed (just generally NPCing in 0.0) my sec would be about 1. And I would lose most of my sec status if I podded someone.
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.
-- Ancient "Dirt" Religious figure. |
Elfaen Ethenwe
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Posted - 2005.07.02 18:00:00 -
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You guys will have to put something back into the game to allow people to regain status.
1. Let all NPC's give status for every kill, not just the best in 15 minutes. Or make it so you can only loose sec status every 15 minutes.
2. Let agents offer sec status increase as a reward for some missions
realise, that no matter what you do alot of people DONT WANT TO GO TO 0.0
Its already controlled by rich powerful people who dont want to shar e unless you kiss butt and grovel and be someones biatch.
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Together we Gank, Divided we Pop.
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2005.07.02 18:02:00 -
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lol @ all the moaning pirates who wanna go to Yulai
If you cant do the time, dont do the crime ;)
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