again, why not just make player corps attractive rather than making npc corps unattractive?

I think the industry nerfs would be fair but this won't persuade people who don't want to be in player corps. they don't want the politics, the game running their life and they don't want to do boring activities with other people.

Or, why not allow people to join any NPC corp they want if they have enough standing to be accepted, give them different disadvantages, different ongoing feuds with different other corps from other or even the same empire or be part of the militia for factional warfare and then people can decide on their own how and when they want to be exposed as you propose here.

You know, variety and choice is always superior to threats, punishment and violence when it comes to motivating people on the long run.

Not important - the goal is to create gameplay where you aren't rewarded with things like free wardec immunity for not participating socially in a mmo. CCP needs to come down hard on all forms of wardec evasion, which cannot happen unless things like NPC corps (in their current form) are removed.

Not important - the goal is to create gameplay where you aren't rewarded with things like free wardec immunity for not participating socially in a mmo. CCP needs to come down hard on all forms of wardec evasion, which cannot happen unless things like NPC corps (in their current form) are removed.

sorry but i pay my 11% to CONCORD

as I said, if you want to replace CONCORD protection with friendly neighborhood family protection then that would be a way for a freelancer to survive in a world of wardecs. that would be a way to push the player driven game forward.

When you haul things, does the NPC corp tax your cargo space? when you mine, does it directly cut the ore yield, or the refine rate? No.

I agree, replacing the guaranteed concord protection with a 'freelancer' system is the way to go. Let the players decide for themselves whether going it alone or defending as part of a team works best.

How exactly does someone in an NPC corp not socially interact?
The most active corp chats I've ever been in have been NPC Corps.
Random fleet ups occur.
People want help, fitting advice, skill training discussions.....

I'd say the people in NPC corps interact socially and engage in the 'Multiplayer' aspect just fine thank you.

How exactly does someone in an NPC corp not socially interact?
The most active corp chats I've ever been in have been NPC Corps.
Random fleet ups occur.
People want help, fitting advice, skill training discussions.....

I'd say the people in NPC corps interact socially and engage in the 'Multiplayer' aspect just fine thank you.

The simple solution to the High Sec problem of NPC Corps is pretty obvious to me, and implementing this will add content, give greater meaning to character racial choices, and overall improve the Storyline of EvE Online.

Make the NPC Corps an active part of the Faction War system. If you don't want to be an Economical or Political Faction War targetable asset, then you can always form your own corporation. Seriously, only the Training Academys and Schools should be neutral and protected. Everything else should rightfully be either a player owned corp, or a part of the Ruling Faction of their area of High Sec. Honestly, if you don't want to be involved in EvE Online just go find another game....

I know I can hear the trolls and carebears already lining up to trash this idea, but hey this is what happens in GD.

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again, why not just make player corps attractive rather than making npc corps unattractive?

I agree, replacing the guaranteed concord protection with a 'freelancer' system is the way to go. Let the players decide for themselves whether going it alone or defending as part of a team works best.

we have this system in 0.0 already. in WH. Is it really needed to bring it into high-sec too?

Because while we are at this point why not remove all stargates and local chat all around the Universe? Because WHs show - this works well.

Some question how an NPC corp hurts me?

I can think of a number of ways.

1) I would like to "stake a claim" upon the asteroid belts in a particular system. Competitors that come in to mine "our" ores should be wardecable. We are merely defending our terf. No, we are not big enough to move into Nullsec, and we have no desire to be a renter. But we should be able to fend off competitors. I can't tell you how often I've seen entire systems stripped by hoards of NPC mining Bots.

2) The same goes for Signatures and Anomolies. We catch you scanning in our constellation and we would like to once again fend off the competition. It is most difficult to control a local market if there are swarms of "untouchable" competitors.

3) Yes, Ganking is an option, but it is a very costly and inefficient one in comparison to simply declaring war.

There are numerous reasons for conducting warfare, being territorial is one good reason.
Just imagine the tears if Player Corps and Alliances were unable to engage someone in Nullsec simply because they were in an NPC Corp, and they would risk having their SuperCap Instapoped by Concord if they tried.

See my point?

Some question how an NPC corp hurts me?

I can think of a number of ways.
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See my point?

I already said i don't mind potential nerfs to industry and you said that wasn't the point.

this is a sandbox game. you should be able to play it how you want to..

How exactly does someone in an NPC corp not socially interact?
The most active corp chats I've ever been in have been NPC Corps.
Random fleet ups occur.
People want help, fitting advice, skill training discussions.....

I'd say the people in NPC corps interact socially and engage in the 'Multiplayer' aspect just fine thank you.

How about low-sec or w-hole? These are two area with nothing stopping you from "staking a claim" which is something you have no right too do in EMPIRE space. Empire is for everyone.

Why should he have to go to lowsec (which you seem to think isn't empire space) if he doesn't want to?

As for his rights, like yours, they end in optimal + 2 x falloff. If he wants to assert his rights in highsec he's more than welcome to try, and good luck to him.