Every isk a player makes lessens the value of my isk. Every min they mine lessens the value of my mins (if I mined lol).

And where is the evidence to support this belief? It's not supported in the least by the information that is readily available (and that people like I believe Tippia and Malcanis have linked over and over again).

No, that's just believe what fits your wants and needs rather than what you can prove. And it happens all the time here.

There has been the idea of in station assassinations for those people. Now with DUST 514, you could hire them for a hit and the Capsuleers in station has to pay for security and personnel to defend themselves.

He said we don't do ship combat against other players

you'll have to end multiple characters /accounts then.

why would I do PvP on this character when he's not skilled for combat?

Why would I hoard SP on one character when clone costs are potentially more than my ships?

how can i join a pvp corp with my other character when they explicitly forbid you to have alts in player corps?

Hrm... I don't know if people will quit the game, but it is a known fact that higher taxes on NPC corps did not result in players joining player run corporation en masse. Players do start their own 1 man corps for missioning and POS stuff, but otherwise they will just drop the corp if they are war dec'd.

Forcing people out of NPC corps will just result in a bunch of one man corps that will result in less player interaction.

Believe it or not communication and interaction happens all the time in NPC corps. There are about 500 people in the NPC corp on this alt for example and I often take time to answer players questions to help them out and even donte money to people that meet certain criteria.

Take that away and people will just be in a one man corp sitting silently in local doing whatever they do to make isk.

I suppose you could say war dec's will force one man players into larger corpoartions.

That doesn't happen now and that won't happen even if you prevent players from disbanding, leaving, and generally forcing them to keep playing with the war dec, they won't undock.

And you basically can't force people to undock.

Also, on a side note, some of the major people who earn massive amounts of isk in hi-sec are station trades who by their very nature do not undock.

Anyways, back to my previous point. You could in theory force everyone out of NPC corps into one man corps and then you could force them to stay in those corps while they are war dec'd but you can't force them to undock.

And if you are playing a game where you can't undock, you get bored and if you get bored you think about canceling your sub.

Now there is no hard scientific proof that people who can't/won't/don't undock will automatically cancel their accounts.

But if I personally played a game where I had to stay docked all day, then I'd probaly quit. And if I quit, stastically other people quit too.

Personally, I'm in FW so when I undock I'll probaly get killed in low sec somewhere, but I'm talking about the people who are in NPC corps for a reason.

There is no good way you can solve this problem by force.

You have to make player run corps and alliances more attractive to players through buffing player run corps. Not by nerfing NPC corps. That is the only way.

example: If your corp has more than 50 players than give like a 5% bonus in mining ore or mission LP yield to everyone in that corp.

Who exactly is talking about "interaction". i don't personally care about whether or not a person choose to interact socially with others.

I'm talking about the need for CCP to ensure account holder fairness. While "fairness" is not an issue in game (all is fair in love and EVE), EVe as a product should be consistant in how it treats it's players.

Saying to us " make your own destiny" then giving an option to opt out of a very key game mechanic (the ability to be war decced) is not consistent at all. If you are able to affect the game, you should be liable to negative affects as well. Allowing non-noob players to stay forever in a situation where other players must pay a high cost to disrupt them while imposing no real cost on the NPC corp player is uneven.

The mission runner and explorers of NPC corps at least have to pay an elevated tax. But what cost does the miner and hauler pay? NPC corps are not just unfair to everyone else, as currently constituted, they are unfair to their own memebers.

Something has to give, with new taxes and/or restrictions (like a "tax" on mining and hauling or restrictions on what kinds of ships NPC corp pilots can fly ie no tech 2 mining ships and frieghters/orcas for NPC corp members).

Situations that confer signifigant advantages without conferring signifigant costs/trade offs should not be allowed in EVE online.

Serioulsy, you got you're #'s from a one-off anomaly? RvB had 16,000 kills the same day in Poinen..0.6 space.

I'm not skilled to make optimal use of the market, yet I participate in that.



No one said you had to.



I've never known a PVP corp that forbade its members from having alts on player corps. CERTAIN player corps, yes, but lots of the PVP corp members I know have various PVE alts in player corps.

People posting lots of words about how NPC corps should be fixed, and how to circumvent those fixes.

Best solution is still their outright removal.

Best solution is still their outright removal.

I'm talking about the need for CCP to ensure account holder fairness. While "fairness" is not an issue in game (all is fair in love and EVE), EVe as a product should be consistant in how it treats it's players.

Saying to us " make your own destiny" then giving an option to opt out of a very key game mechanic (the ability to be war decced) is not consistent at all. If you are able to affect the game, you should be liable to negative affects as well. Allowing non-noob players to stay forever in a situation where other players must pay a high cost to disrupt them while imposing no real cost on the NPC corp player is uneven.

The mission runner and explorers of NPC corps at least have to pay an elevated tax. But what cost does the miner and hauler pay? NPC corps are not just unfair to everyone else, as currently constituted, they are unfair to their own memebers.

Something has to give, with new taxes and/or restrictions (like a "tax" on mining and hauling or restrictions on what kinds of ships NPC corp pilots can fly ie no tech 2 mining ships and frieghters/orcas for NPC corp members).

Situations that confer signifigant advantages without conferring signifigant costs/trade offs should not be allowed in EVE online.

i still fail to see any "unfairness" here.

Being in NPC corp player you have access to something + wardec invulnerability.
Being in player corp player you have access to something more + wardecs.

You mean wardec invulnerability worth more than player interaction in player driven corps, comms, POSes, sov and stuff?
I can't agree with this but let's say you are right here.

And then we have another question: where is "unfairness"? You say NPC is OP, so leave your player driven corp and you have it too. Where is the problem?

Where is the problem?

The problem is that people have preconceived notions of how this game should be played and that it not be noob or casual friendly,

i still fail to see any "unfairness" here.

Being in NPC corp player you have access to something + wardec invulnerability.
Being in player corp player you have access to something more + wardecs.

You mean wardec invulnerability worth more than player interaction in player driven corps, comms, POSes, sov and stuff?
I can't agree with this but let's say you are right here.

And then we have another question: where is "unfairness"? You say NPC is OP, so leave your player driven corp and you have it too. Where is the problem?

The problem is that people have preconceived notions of how this game should be played and that it not be noob or casual friendly, even if they have an entire area of the game to play in and they choose to make it so boring that a good epic fight only happens when someone accidently hits the wrong button.

Exactly!

How many times in GD has it been posted that casual players and carebears should leave the game.

I just do not understand why so many people want high sec to be as empty as low/null?

The carebears won't magically become PVPers if the rules are changed. They will simply quit playing the game. How does that benefit those that want these changes?

I am not a single entity so I cannot be attacked like one nor do I need the protection of a corp because of that. this is why removing npc corps is just futile. I'll simply change my playstyle and you still don't have highsec war targets. I don't even have to set foot in highsec if I don't want to. I don't need to undock I can jump clone all over the place and contract everything. I can log out in space. i can go AFK cloaky. i could go on but hopefully the futility of this wish is now clear. we will adapt and let the game shape our decisions and playstyle.

A very bad lie, one you people love to hide behind.

No one cares how you play, how long you play, what corp (NPC or otherwise) you choose to be a part of etc etc. We care about the game we play, we want the game to be internally consistent and (as a product) fair to each account holder.

We want the game they tell us is about cold harsh dark consequences to BE about that, not about silly un-EVE like protections against consequences.

The NPC corp mission runners and explorers have to "pay" for their protection from wardecs in the form of high taxes, EVERYONE in an npc corp should have to pay for that protection too.

Of course the truth and reasonableness of the above statement will fall on the deaf ears of those enjoying the unfair advantages of npc corp safety. But now is the time for change. OCCUPY NPC CORPS...

......ok wait, maybe that should be UN-OCCUPY NPC CORPS!!1