OK, let me just clarify, since you still aren't getting it, despite the numerous hints. There are not a million players in the entire game of EVE Online, therefore, it is impossible that any NPC corp has a million players. Get it? There are likely only a few thousand in each NPC corp, and many of those are alts of "real" players, whose PVP stats on other characters are probably much better than on their NPC corp alt. That being because they use their NPC alt for things other than PVPing (or suicide scouting, cyno alting, logistics, and other combat SUPPORT), thus skewing the the statistics. Then, the only people earnestly contributing to the PVP statistics are noobs, who die at a disproportionately higher rate due the their skillpoint and experience disadvantage.

Your NPC corp member count is off by a factor of about 500. NPC alts don't tend to used be for direct ship combat. Noobs in NPC corps tend to die.

Well I think 11% for high sec immunity is a pretty good taxation deal.

The simple solution to the High Sec problem of NPC Corps is pretty obvious to me, and implementing this will add content, give greater meaning to character racial choices, and overall improve the Storyline of EvE Online.

Make the NPC Corps an active part of the Faction War system. If you don't want to be an Economical or Political Faction War targetable asset, then you can always form your own corporation. Seriously, only the Training Academys and Schools should be neutral and protected. Everything else should rightfully be either a player owned corp, or a part of the Ruling Faction of their area of High Sec. Honestly, if you don't want to be involved in EvE Online just go find another game....

I know I can hear the trolls and carebears already lining up to trash this idea, but hey this is what happens in GD.

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Indeed, it's a powerful disincentive to join player-owned corps and engage in emergent content. That's why NPC corps need to go.

Help me out and complete this sentence.

"Also that single players regularly generate more kills then NPC corps with ________ active accounts".

Indeed, [11% NPC corp tax rate is} a powerful disincentive to join player-owned corps and engage in emergent content. That's why NPC corps need to go.

Indeed, it's a powerful disincentive to join player-owned corps and engage in emergent content. That's why NPC corps need to go.

Would DayZ be improved if there was a flag players could pick that would make them vulnerable to zombies only?
They just want to farm zombie loot all day. The devs should respect their valuable PvE dollar.
Of course not. It would actively diminish the game. So it is with NPC corps and EVE.

Didnt day or war Z or whatever get like a 10/100 on meta critic?
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You are the one trying to impose such an arbitrary criterion as justification for corporations to exist, not us.

State War Academy
Center for Advanced Studies
Republic Military School
Viziam
etc., etc., etc.

Try again.

The disincentive to join player run corporations doesn't only lie in war dec immunity. Personally, I couldn't care less who was out to get me. I'm not going to give anyone permission to blow up my ship, but if NPC corps suddenly became valid targets for war decs, it would honestly have very little effect on my decision to be in one.

I think you are thinking of War Z. From what I recall Day Z got genuinely positive reviews.

your player corp isn't providing any incentive to join as your tax rate in uncompetitive.

Glad to hear it. For NPC corp players who genuinely value being a lone agent and individual actor, and not merely take advantage of unbalanced mechanics, the changes I endorse would effect them little. Making NPC corp members individually deccable merely makes the advantages and disadvantages of solo vs. team play a true question of gamestyle instead of being heavily incentivized by game mechanics to head in one direction.

to my playstyle yes, to yours no. you will still find me unavailable to be pew pewed. I will simply change my style to thwart your wardec.

Given the number of characters in player corps it would seem that group play already has heavy incentives. Making NPC corp characters individually deccable just leaves those who don't utilize activities requiring a corp to further feel the influence of other groups in highsec. Basically there would be no incentive to solo save individual inclination and paranoia. Both of these don't seem like they'd leave their respective players enjoying any more interaction with the greater world.

Though, all things said even if this does happen or something similar and wardec mechanics are solidified to prevent evasion, Alt'mains are an awesome thing to have.

Retribution, notable for the crime watch changes the decimated hi sec mission griefing and made acts like can flipping some npc corp member flag you as free for all.

That's a bit of an ironic stance to take considering I was just replying to an NPC corp member who states that the average player corp tax rate does not offer sufficient compensation compared to wardec immunity, and here's you claiming that the benefits of player corp membership are so overwhelmingly evident that solo play needs ironclad incentives to give it any merit whatsoever. And before you both Mayhaw saying the mechanics behind NPC corps are irrelevant because it's being a lone wolf is what counts. Total autonomy is its own reward.

Of the three, i find Mayhaw's stance easiest to relate to. You seem to think highsec players interacting with each other (in an MMO no less) is a bad thing.

Decimated mission griefing?

I do it more now than ever before. Retribution made it fun, especially considering how many carebears out there have NO idea how aggression works, even with the new idiot-friendly system.

I wasn't aware that NPC corps were a problem. ??

Really I thought the whole safety system ruined the bear baiting, suppose if they are that dumb guess they deserve it.

Wow. This thread has been busy.

To sum up a lot of what I'm reading here, there are quite a few NPC corp carebears insisting that their way of playing Eve is legitimate and they should be left alone to influence the market how they see fit while the rest of us are unable to influence their ability to conduct their carebear activities without expensive suicide ganks.

Once again: if you can opt out of combat, I should have the right to opt out of the market and get all my items spawned on an NPC market at fixed prices. I don't want to buy stuff made from your ore. Let me play Eve my way.

You seem insistent on this idea that I'm trying to compel you to allow me to shoot you. I'm not. In fact, anyone who is able to continue operating while under the threat of a wardec deserve praise for their ability to adapt. Again: I don't want to force you to fight. I want to force you to react.

This is all about the fact that NPC corp characters are able to affect the market without any penalty while being immune to wardecs. Their playstyle impacts mine, and then they complain when I ask for the ability to impact theirs.

But then I wouldn't be able to bump miners as easily because people would be coming after my bumping fit mach

yeah like if npc corps make you immune to wardecs, joining a pc corp one ups that and not only leaves you immune to wardecs but also has random factions declare war on corps you don't like. if you can get 100% refine rate as an npc corp poster using npc stations, joining a player corp gives you beyond 100% refining efficiency so you can just manufacture and reprocess your own stuff for surplus. let's not go into crazy talk like making npc corps unappealing

or just ban npc corps

Make boosting part of a corp.
On anyone else it counts as an aggression act.
Suddenly the solo is back and no more unengagable booster alts.

No amount of player-owned corp tax rate confers wardec immunity.
Remove the wardec immunity for true competition to take place, problem solved.

I think you have had a little bit too much to drink, or smoke. Try again tomorrow. Sounds like an interesting concept.

Well there are already FW NPC corps.

Well here is the deal. People will either stay in NPC corps or they will create throw away 1 man corps which they will leave when they are war dec'd.

You could either raise taxes on NPC corps or make it impossible to leave your corp for 72 hours or something, but that will probaly result in players just docking up and then quitting because they are bored ship spinning in station.

The truth is that these incentives do not make people want to join other corps.

The reason people don't want to join corps with other people is pretty much corp theft and awoxing.

Remove that and people might want to join larger corps.

If you don't want to change that don't expect people to ever leave NPC corps and leave it at status quo.

I mean NPC corp people aren't hurting you and touching you in the bad place.

If they are you can still gank them if you put your mind to it. Get to it.