That's what i said:
"So CCP enables and encourages bullying in EVE Online. Got it. "

Looks like we're in agreement :
"Yes, Eve is a game full of bullies. In fact, they market that you "can be the villain" in this game. You didn't know this?"
Can be nicely summed up:
" So CCP enables and encourages bullying in EVE Online. Got it.

So CCP enables and encourages bullying in EVE Online. Got it.

For bullies, the "ends" are merely satisfying the impulse to bully. The fact others will join them in their ends is unfortunately an historic truth.

We find bullies building elaborate justifications for their bullying behavior. For some it is the rationalization that it is all just PvP in a PvP game.

Not to mention, CCP enables and encourages bullying.

Now that's PvP Leto Thule

https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/

I am confused.....

Me too. Maybe Capt Starfox could clarify by stating something like:

"Every now and then sensible and fundamentally decent people will embark, all of a sudden, on courses of which they themselves are the first to disapprove. In these cases the evil-doer acts as though he were possessed by some entity different from and hostile to his ordinary self. In fact, he is the victim of a neutral mechanism, which has got out of hand and, from being the servant of its possessor, has become his master."

See if I got the quote thing right.

Meh, just remove ship-ship collisions, save the server CPU time.

It's not like we are really piloting the ships anyway.

I was so disappointed when I found my joystick was useless for EVE when I first tried it.

Personally I'd like an answer better then move to another location please. Because in the case of ice this is something both CCP and the GM need to understand. There is not one usually within a reasonable distance.

You can't just jump one system over or change one belt. You have to make 5-7 jump trips, you have to move ships, you have to then haul longer distances. All because of what just happened to me and a corp mate. A character in a maller was ramming every barge in the belt making ice mining impossible, even if you tried to orbit and evade him, his actions were disruptive and made our undertaking playing the game as we desired impossible.

And we have zero recourse against this. He gets away scott free protected by CONCORD. And we are the ones forced to leave because his ship can't be attacked, evasion is a no go, we don't have someone to try and bump him back (which would be an exploit fighting an exploit) There's no point i nwar dec'ing or hiring mercs over a single bumper, and even then you could avoid that by being in an npc corp. All the while he gets off because of CCP's own stupid rule where harassment is only harassment if you are followed. There's no point in him following because he accomplished his goal of insuring people can't mine the ice. Why would he follow?

So if we can not within the rules of the game take action against someone who is quite obviously to everyone abusing EVE mechanics, is engaging in what for him is (And this is the point that can't be stressed enough given the mentality of EVE players telling people to HTFU and you are "never safe") --CONSEQUENCE FREE-- PVP activity. How is it not abuse of the rules, mechanics, and an exploit?

And when a player is intentionally disrupting other players actions by an activity that serves no benefit to himself, and meant purely to be disruptive? Please explain to me how in the world that is not the classic mmo definition (to everyone but CCP anyway) of griefing, and exploiting the rules of EVE to accomplish his actions?

CCP needs to get it through there heads bumping is an exploit of the highest order, and something needs to be done about it. It is not "emergent gameplay" it is harassment pure and simple, so why will the devs and GM staff not treat it as such?

EDIT: Oh and a fun little thought too if you want to get reeeeallly technical about this. If I'm harassed by a bumper in an ice spawn in a single system, but then later on in the same day or two I'm "followed" and this same bumper continues to harass players in a second or third ice spawn have we crossed that harassment line yet CCP?

We were discussing how I think CCP enables and encourages bullying in EVE Online.

You might be in the wrong forum channel.

We were discussing how CCP enables and encourages bullying in EVE Online.

But we are really piloting our ships.. just not with a joystick.

I fixed for you.

That's Navigation, not direct Piloting, Wing Commander/Allegiance style.

I, for one, wouldn't mind high-sec being safe from greifing by other players, but without the massive profits/rewards available in low/null. I ain't making enough to PLEX my time, but I have the cash to pay for an ongoing sub.

Some days I just want to sit back after work, and do a little low stress space-trucking on my one account; trading time-reward vs. risk-reward. If CCP doesn't provide that opportunity, then after my 1 month 'come back please!' special is over, I might not be renewing, maybe I'll play some EQ, or FF instead. (except I'm a spaceship kinda guy, down to the massive pile of 80's spaceship lego. ("SPACESHIP!"))