yeah in a years time whan 10000 noobs have itty v skills .... reskilling is pathetic it changes the core game and people who trained for months are now majorly ****** off ... another insult in my opinion.

its sort of dumb to have iterons i-v with the same skill requirements as each model is strictly better in nearly every case than the one before, so you basically just eliminated the point of four of the five

i suppose we'll see what happens

They might, or they might not. Depends what "tiercide" has in store for them.

It didn't really drive demand for the Hulk when they did it to barges/exhumers

I'd imagine that they would have varying ship/skill bonuses in the works as to not make the previous models completely useless.

I basically have my doubts there's five interesting sets of bonuses or roles for a single race's t1 haulers

I don't think anyone is complaining about a noob being able to fly the Orca. What people are complaining about here is their investment in training time being wasted by CCP. The fact that it took the better part of 2mos to train is time we can never get back. That's real time. Frankly, I would like to reallocate that training time since it means every new toon can now spend almost 2 mos training something else.

How many players out there wouldn't buy SP if it was MTable? SP is valuable given the amount of time is require to fly some of these ships, including the Orca. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect CCP to compensate players with SP, even discounted. I've got 2 toons that fly the Orca. That's a lot of invested time that could have been spent training other things. I would like to be compensated.

And I have a nice well researched iteron V BPO.

I basically have my doubts there's five interesting sets of bonuses or roles for a single race's t1 haulers

Yes, but... if/when tiericide changes the 5 Iterons to just 2 or 3 role based Iterons, your BPO may be changed to an "unpopular/useless" version of the tiericide'd Iterons.

I am almost finished with my Orca training, 6 more days. When I get it I do not plan to use it much for mining. So come Tuesday I will have an opportunity loss associated with training Mining Barge V.

My BPO's for Itty 1-4 are now worthless? (j/k, I don't have any BPOs)

because you understood the very simple system the first time it was announced, and trained destroyers and BCs to V, all racial frigs to IV, and all racial cruisers to III?

as did every other player with more than two brain cells and was interested in free sp/saving themselves some time at some point in the future?

reckon the new itty v's going to move like a cow

and a dead cow at that

e: although you do wonder how you can make five different industrials perform five different roles. going from 'light with smallish cargo space' to 'slow with tons of cargo' over five ships will mean only two are used - the smallest and the biggest. there'll be a 'tanky' one, no doubt about that, but that leaves two more ships to find roles for?

I read somewhere (can't remember where) the Itty 2 and 4 would be taken out, and the other 3 "rebalanced"

Or something. Maybe.

@ OP: you're being hysterical. Stahp.

Almost wrong, I already had some but my Eve goal was to be able to fly everything sub cap, therefore I do have all races frigate at 5, destroyers 5, all cruisers 5, battlecruisers 5 and all T2 version from those at least at 3 or 4, BS in between 3 and 5 (all BS 5 is a fckin pain in the ass)

So, while I'm very happy this change profits to all newbies and lower skill players, and believe me I really do like this, I can't say to my self I can't fly anymore T2 frigates/destroyers with my main or the clone cost will always be higher enough I can buy whatever battlecruiser hull with that isk.

I'm not complaining I loose my pods often (null fights, and specially large fights always end with "squish" pod sound), but I do complain the higher SP i get for my loyalty as customer, the more I'm penalized for doing so and feel I'm pushed to not see any further than T1 BC training, which is complete non sense from my point of view.
Please notice I'm not asking to pay less than news or whatever Sp amount someone might have, I'm only arguing this POD cost is opposed to the idea of training and move forward to higher hulls and combat types.

Some might actually argue against and spit with usual rabble, but this is clearly not good on the long term because not everyone has patience to wait for the lower SP alt able to properly fly something, or willing to spend time farming rabbits to buy a lower SP character. It's not fun, brings nothing valuable as gaming experience but rather negative on top of the already far many negative points just by login to Eve server.

Get over yourself. Back in 2003 people mined in imicus for a week to buy a thorax.

[quote=Washichu May] If an itty 5 is worth a PLEX I demand like 500 of them for all the stuff I went through for starting before the OP.

or don't demand nothing and laugh at the OP.

it's healthier.

Get over yourself. Back in 2003 people mined in imicus for a week to buy a thorax.

If you want to be a cockblocker for new people, maybe you should be pushed back into that paradigm and make ISK old-school way.

With the skill enchantments and rebalance on all Itty ships, means a noob will probby need a mark 5 at level 1 to haul what a mark 1 or 2 will haul at level 4 and 5. The noobs will have to pay more up front just to be useful half as a OG in the cheapest ship.