system on its own was working, to be honest I can see no reason to change it ...

in that case there is no need for Itty1-4 (except of building t2 ships) and no, its wasting of my time, my skilling queue and irritating in general ... and ccp is trying to be populist to get more new players with flying ships fast

Mihnea Tepes wrote:
system on its own was working, to be honest I can see no reason to change it ...

Question is, instead of trying to shoehorn industrials, transport ships, freighters and jump freighters into being same same, but different, for 4 races - why not bite the bullet, do it right, and condense them into ORE ( or another appropriate faction, like InterBus ) ships?

Question is, instead of trying to shoehorn industrials, transport ships, freighters and jump freighters into being same same, but different, for 4 races - why not bite the bullet, do it right, and condense them into ORE ( or another appropriate faction, like InterBus ) ships?

system on its own was working, to be honest I can see no reason to change it ...

in that case there is no need for Itty1-4 (except of building t2 ships) and no, its wasting of my time, my skilling queue and irritating in general ... and ccp is trying to be populist to get more new players with flying ships fast

The thing that really annoys me is that I spent a good amount of time training up the mining barge skill for my orca alt which I will never and have never had any need for except for using the orca. I think CCP should reimburse the mining barge skill, if you still want it then you can train it back up with the free SP.

But the point you fail miserably to understand is this is mining barge V. MINING BARGE V! Whenever I see that heresy on my character sheet I want to terminate the character. Dam CCP making me train such a disgraceful skill to get to an orca and then turning on us like this.

But the point you fail miserably to understand is this is mining barge V. MINING BARGE V! Whenever I see that heresy on my character sheet I want to terminate the character. Dam CCP making me train such a disgraceful skill to get to an orca and then turning on us like this.

You just don't understand do you. *shakes head*

Although that is a tempting idea, it would mean getting the art department to redesign the appearance of every single Industrial ship, which would be a massive waste of time when they could just do it the way they are intending to do it. Also, you would be getting rid of a ship from each race which would ultimately result in less variation which is bad for everyone. Variation is good for the sandbox.

No. standardizing ships only makes things dull in the long run. In the same way that CCPs standardization of the character creation has made races almost obsolete.

Well then explain what I don't understand then. If you can't be bothered I am just going to presume I was right and your trying to wriggle out of it by pretending you can't be bothered to explain what you were incapable of portraying in your previous posts.

But the thing you fail miserably to understand is that that training is a Sunk Cost. It is entirely irrelevant to your future decisions. You trained it, and you received the benefit you trained to receive. Cost changes after the fact are irrelevant.

It would be interesting if CCP gave the option after such a massive reskill as this, to rebuild your character at a cost of say 10%sp.
Say there was a minor glitch with the fluid router but we got you back, mostly.
Could even spin as part of the increased sleeper tech usage reacting badly with the Jovian derived bits.
Actually that would be a glorious way of also explaing the tech 3 nerf that will be coming.
The Sleeper tech had to be purged/downgraded lest it destroy you, much like the new anti eject option.

At least BS V has some useful application in the event you need to fly a BS. And seeing as you are a capital pilot you will have all the pre requisite skills to fly a BS if needed. Mining Barge V is a skill that only a character who wanted to mine would train up for, and so absolutely no use for most players who trained for the Orca. So its completely different entirely.

I have to ask, exactly what kind of variety is it that these racial ships provide?

That argument can be used in many situations. For instance if you bought a car from a dealer for 10k and then a week later they dropped the price to 5k then you would be lying if you say you were happy. So the sunk cost argument is entirely dependent on the situations and cannot be applied in a blanket approach as you seem to be trying.

Exactly. This is all about customer service. Using the example above if you paid 10k for a car and then the car was reduced to 5k a week later then you would expect it fair and good customer service for the the dealer to refund you 5k or at least a portion of the difference. It's just good customer service and I hope CCP consider something like this.

Hahah. Ok for a start using Wikipedia to base what is right and wrong is laughable at best. Academic and psychological mumbo jumbo aside, this comes down to good customer service. Using the car example, if you went back to the dealer a week later and complained the car has been reduced half price then yes, the dealer could say tough luck and give you some sunk cost BS and link you a wikipedia article, but then you'd probably never go back to that dealer again.

I'm using the Wikipedia article because it's pretty clear that you have no idea what Sunk Costs actually are, and I'm hoping that you're literate enough to realize that the link is a suggestion to realize that you might want to read the article so you can learn.

Oh well...

Plenty of places will offer you some reimbursement if the price suddenly changes recently after you've bought it. You must be buying from some crappy shops. Ive even had Amazon refund me the difference before when they dropped the price on a pre order I made. They didn't make any fuss or some give me BS which is why it is the largest online retailer.

Lots of stuff.