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ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
R O G U E
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Posted - 2013.02.08 09:39:00 -
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i am curius as to what changes they will be making to the industrial ships, since atm the clear choice does seem to be the half hour wait to hop into an itty V now. |
Kiteo Hatto
Equanimity Order
788
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Posted - 2013.02.08 09:44:00 -
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Just think of it as more clueless people in pricey ships. You can just tell that a "noob" will skip all industrials and just go straight to Itty V, he will then fill it with ALL his assets and autopilot somewhere, probably lowsec. Or you know....he'll mine in it.
These guys aren't doing you any harm......
Infact, Itty Vs are gonna go up demand wise :P |
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries
xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
56
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Posted - 2013.02.08 09:47:00 -
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All I am seeing is more people to fly orca's and large industrial ships full of goodies into lowsec and then dieing in a fire....
/P
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
554
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Posted - 2013.02.08 09:49:00 -
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Atomic Virulent wrote:In the upcoming expansion, there are some serious issues that can only be reconciled with free skillpoints or PLEX.
The 2 big ones.. Iteron V is/was 24d to skill for. It will be reduced to 33 minutes.. MINUTES! That's brand new noob, to ITTY V in THIRTY THREE MINUTES! This has the value of nearly an entire month of game time.
Second, the Orca is going from 40+d down to 17 days. This is unacceptable. The thought that some troll can spend his 14-day trial and be up to par with seasoned vets who spent over a month skilling is just atrocious.
WTF is this.. World of Warcraft?
You clearly do not understand much do you?
"Also, your boobs  " -á
CCP Eterne, 2012
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
291
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Posted - 2013.02.08 09:50:00 -
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Kiteo Hatto wrote:Infact, Itty Vs are gonna go up demand wise :P They might, or they might not. Depends what "tiercide" has in store for them.
It didn't really drive demand for the Hulk when they did it to barges/exhumers 
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March rabbit
player corp n1
521
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Posted - 2013.02.08 09:50:00 -
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Kiteo Hatto wrote:Just think of it as more clueless people in pricey ships. You can just tell that a "noob" will skip all industrials and just go straight to Itty V, he will then fill it with ALL his assets and autopilot somewhere, probably lowsec. Or you know....he'll mine in it.
yea.
because TODAY every n00b gets his first Itty I, fill it with ALL his assets and autopilot elsewere, probably lowsec. (c)
PS: actually i'm happy with it because i was never able to dedicate 24 days for training to Itty V and after summer i will have it for free.
Lazy boy won! |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
540
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Posted - 2013.02.08 10:06:00 -
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Why do I have the feeling my clone cost is going to skyrocket when those skill changes hit?
Hope they do something about it...
OP, if noobs can get easier in to higher class ships I think it's good. They can't use them properly as you do with all your skills and provide nice killmails with expensive stuff they can barely fit.
This is good.
CCP, do something for clone costs, NAO !!
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Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar
Nulli Legio
337
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Posted - 2013.02.08 10:16:00 -
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My opinion for itty balancing. .mk1 tank. .mk2 speed .mk3 balanced .mk4 warp.core stability .mk5 capacious.
I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance. |
Kate stark
Perkone
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.02.08 10:42:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Why do I have the feeling my clone cost is going to skyrocket when those skill changes hit?
because you understood the very simple system the first time it was announced, and trained destroyers and BCs to V, all racial frigs to IV, and all racial cruisers to III?
as did every other player with more than two brain cells and was interested in free sp/saving themselves some time at some point in the future? |
Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University
Ivy League
254
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Posted - 2013.02.08 11:11:00 -
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Atomic Virulent wrote:Ok. some punk who pays his first $19.99. $20 for an Orca.. Who wouldn't have paid 10 times that to get the skill time back?
200$ for 40 days of training? Yeah... I'll keep the money.
Karl Hobb wrote:Atomic Virulent wrote:Ok. some punk who pays his first $19.99. $20 for an Orca.. Who wouldn't have paid 10 times that to get the skill time back? Oh holy **** a n00b with **** fitting skills and no real idea how to play the game might get into an Orca in less time than it took me!
You missed a "batman" over there and it would have been perfect.
Benny Ohu wrote:reckon the new itty v's going to move like a cow
and a dead cow at that
e: although you do wonder how you can make five different industrials perform five different roles. going from 'light with smallish cargo space' to 'slow with tons of cargo' over five ships will mean only two are used - the smallest and the biggest. there'll be a 'tanky' one, no doubt about that, but that leaves two more ships to find roles for?
That's a least 1 more type of ship than the ones flown currently. |
Andres Talas
Occupational Hazzard
Get Off My Lawn
74
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Posted - 2013.02.08 11:14:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:
Apparently I no longer need to play at all, because CCP harvests tears for me.
This is what happens when they hire ship developers from PL :)
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Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
92
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Posted - 2013.02.08 12:00:00 -
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Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:reckon the new itty v's going to move like a cow
and a dead cow at that
e: although you do wonder how you can make five different industrials perform five different roles. going from 'light with smallish cargo space' to 'slow with tons of cargo' over five ships will mean only two are used - the smallest and the biggest. there'll be a 'tanky' one, no doubt about that, but that leaves two more ships to find roles for? That's a least 1 more type of ship than the ones flown currently.
Yeah! Itty IV FTW
(it's the stylish option after all) |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1087
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Posted - 2013.02.08 12:04:00 -
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While they're at it can they reduce Cap Ships V.. About to train it, and already did the 72 day stretch on another alt.
Thxs. |
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
92
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Posted - 2013.02.08 12:05:00 -
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Pohbis wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:e: although you do wonder how you can make five different industrials perform five different roles. going from 'light with smallish cargo space' to 'slow with tons of cargo' over five ships will mean only two are used - the smallest and the biggest. there'll be a 'tanky' one, no doubt about that, but that leaves two more ships to find roles for? I guess the bigger question is, since one race has 5, and others 2 industrials; Is CCP going to give all races 5 industrials and try to build roles for all of them, or are we going to see the removal of ships for the first time in EVE?
Hmm
Amarr - 2
Caldari - 2
Gallente - 5
Minmatar - 3
Ore - 2
Not exactly true that all the other races have 2 (but close enough) |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1127
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Posted - 2013.02.08 12:09:00 -
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/if/ all they do is play with bay sizes, speeds and so on, there will be a limited number of ships flown.
However, they have other options.
Optimize one for tractor beam usage, and give it an ore bay. Now you have a mini orca (cheaper, doesn't move like such a pig. Hopefully they'll play with bay sizes a bit too)
Give one a fitting service.
and so on.
FuzzWork Enterprises
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
554
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Posted - 2013.02.08 12:42:00 -
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All the ranting....
Man you maybe able to sit in an iteron V with skill at 1 but bonuses of the vessel still go up with skill level...
relax
"Also, your boobs " -á
CCP Eterne, 2012
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Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
1162
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Posted - 2013.02.08 12:48:00 -
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This is why devs hate putting out devblogs so early before a feature, because people freak out over nothing. "Oh my god, some feature we don't have all the details about, is going to do something we're not sure about yet, sometime in the future!"
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Kate stark
Perkone
Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.02.08 12:52:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:All the ranting....
Man you maybe able to sit in an iteron V with skill at 1 but bonuses of the vessel still go up with skill level...
relax
even at industrial I it's still bigger than any other industrial at V with similar fits (eg t1 rigs and t2 expanders in every possible slot)
then again, they're rebalancing the industrials anyway so the stats so it's irrelevant to even compare them. |
Imuran
Zentor Industries
Spaen Scientific
51
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Posted - 2013.02.08 13:08:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:/if/ all they do is play with bay sizes, speeds and so on, there will be a limited number of ships flown.
However, they have other options.
Optimize one for tractor beam usage, and give it an ore bay. Now you have a mini orca (cheaper, doesn't move like such a pig. Hopefully they'll play with bay sizes a bit too)
Give one a fitting service.
and so on.
Hopefully something like this with all races ending up with 5 choices, optimized for speed or cargo or survivability, ore haulers, fleet hanger - that type of thing. Just have to wait and see
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Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
147
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Posted - 2013.02.08 13:11:00 -
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I like all of the skill requirement reductions, regardless of what I can and can't fly. If it means there will be more underskilled targets flying around in higher-valued ships for me to shoot, all is well in the world.
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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
945
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Posted - 2013.02.08 13:15:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:I think people are missing the positives...
17 day old char flying around in an Orca during a war. Yes you get old players doing that to but now there will be a lot more.
I don't think anyone is complaining about a noob being able to fly the Orca. What people are complaining about here is their investment in training time being wasted by CCP. The fact that it took the better part of 2mos to train is time we can never get back. That's real time. Frankly, I would like to reallocate that training time since it means every new toon can now spend almost 2 mos training something else.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
286
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Posted - 2013.02.08 13:26:00 -
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You'll get the time back to reallocate. So why cry about it?
Post with your main, like a BOSS! |
Zaknussem
Everybody Loves Donuts
24
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Posted - 2013.02.08 13:27:00 -
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I don't mind the skill requirement changes, and much of what I wanted to say has already been said. But I'm going to look into my crystal ball and try to predict what will happen to the industrials:
# The CPU will be cut down significantly. As some of you know, T1 industrials have more CPU than they know what to do with, which has led to Industrials becoming ECM boats and other somewhat bizarro fittings. From what I remember, this was part of some old plan of CCP's to give Industrials a secondary role involving some CPU-intensive module that I can't remember the name of right now.
# One industrial hull will focus on speed and agility, and one on cargo volume. This is pretty much a given. The question is if any further varieties are called upon, or even needed.
One of the following will happen:
# They'll add a new industrial ship for the Amarr and Caldari, with the intent of fulfilling a specific task or role, and to leave open a hull for a T2 variant in the future.
# They'll retire the Hoarder for the Minmatar, as well as the Mark I, Mark III and the Mark V for the Gallente. The Mark II and the Mark IV are used for the Transport Ships, so they won't go, but the other three do not have T2 variants.
In all likelyhood, some of the Iteron hulls will be retired... if CCP can actually do that. It wouldn't surprise me if they're willing to do that, but unable due to the complexity of the operation. Which makes the former option a more viable choice. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
788
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Posted - 2013.02.08 13:30:00 -
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i trained an alt for a long time to fly an itty v and frankly i don't give a damn
the sp is still useful to me
with all the changes being flown about we're all getting hit by something being less good than it was and with ccp's commitment to continue balancing ships and mods we're all going to be hit again
compensation should not be given over every single damn change in the game. it leads to more FOTM as people just reallocate into whatever is perceived to be most powerful at that time and demand it back when whatever it was is nerfed again
imma deal with it |
Ronix Aideron
The Ugly Ass Kickers
Mech Alliance
56
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Posted - 2013.02.08 13:34:00 -
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meh, I fly and itty V and i am okay with the changes. I like the path after the change since it will be clearer for me how to get into sub-cap ships.
For me I like the idea of being able to train for an Orca without having to have a lot of mining skills. I like that indy/haulers have a ship between the freighter that they can train for without having to spend time on mining skills we will never use.
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Ronix_Aideron |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
280
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Posted - 2013.02.08 13:39:00 -
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Wow. And this is only the beginning.
I'll have to buy a lot more popcorn for the next months.
Remove insurance. |
Takseen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
197
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Posted - 2013.02.08 13:42:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:reckon the new itty v's going to move like a cow
and a dead cow at that
e: although you do wonder how you can make five different industrials perform five different roles. going from 'light with smallish cargo space' to 'slow with tons of cargo' over five ships will mean only two are used - the smallest and the biggest. there'll be a 'tanky' one, no doubt about that, but that leaves two more ships to find roles for?
There's been times I've needed to haul X amount of cargo and just downsized to the right Iteron size to just about do it in one trip, but with better align time than the Itty V. Same could apply here. |
Takseen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
197
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Posted - 2013.02.08 13:44:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:I think people are missing the positives...
17 day old char flying around in an Orca during a war. Yes you get old players doing that to but now there will be a lot more. I don't think anyone is complaining about a noob being able to fly the Orca. What people are complaining about here is their investment in training time being wasted by CCP. The fact that it took the better part of 2mos to train is time we can never get back. That's real time. Frankly, I would like to reallocate that training time since it means every new toon can now spend almost 2 mos training something else. How many players out there wouldn't buy SP if it was MTable? SP is valuable given the amount of time is require to fly some of these ships, including the Orca. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect CCP to compensate players with SP, even discounted. I've got 2 toons that fly the Orca. That's a lot of invested time that could have been spent training other things. I would like to be compensated.
The exact same complaints were made about people who skilled Surveying or Astrometrics to V when it was more useful/required for other skills. They didn't get compensated. If they refunded skill points anytime a skill became less useful...I'd have a lot of extra skillpoints.
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
788
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Posted - 2013.02.08 13:55:00 -
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Takseen wrote:There's been times I've needed to haul X amount of cargo and just downsized to the right Iteron size to just about do it in one trip, but with better align time than the Itty V. Same could apply here.
I don't believe that's very common, but I suppose the devs would have proper tools to find out how people use ships. I always use the Iteron V and replace unused cargo expanders with stabs - I'll either find more things to haul for less than 15k m3 or use a Magnate instead. |
SoOza N'GasZ
Geese Jugglers
13
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Posted - 2013.02.08 14:30:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:BadAssMcKill wrote:However I think its silly the Ittty V is so quick to train for now, not cause of others who have trained for it but rather because it pretty much obsoletes most every other T1 industrial It'll get a rebalance, so nothing to worry about.
yeah in a years time whan 10000 noobs have itty v skills .... reskilling is pathetic it changes the core game and people who trained for months are now majorly ****** off ... another insult in my opinion. |
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