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Kal Mindar
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:17:00 -
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With the recent news of the Eve-uni multi box botting scandal, I think it is time to ban multi box programs. Any program that allows 1 player to operate 30 characters, even just for movement, should not be allowed. Why are they allowed to hit 1 button and insta warp 30 characters to safety instead of dealing with the consequences of not being able to manually move them all in time to prevent a gank. A click is a click and any program that duplicates one is not following the spirit of action vs. consequence that this amazing game is based upon.
I, Kal Mindar, deem that multi boxing programs are a EULA breaking form of automation that undermines the integrity of this game. |
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:20:00 -
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support |
Dante Uisen
Push button receive bacon
22
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:21:00 -
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Kal Mindar wrote:Any program that allows 1 player to operate 30 characters, even just for movement, should not be allowed.
Yes, fleet warp should be a banable offense. |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
246
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:21:00 -
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/signed |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
246
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:22:00 -
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Dante Uisen wrote:Kal Mindar wrote:Any program that allows 1 player to operate 30 characters, even just for movement, should not be allowed. Yes, fleet warp should be a banable offense.
Don't be obtuse, that's quite obviously not what he was talking about. That is a supported, by design in game mechanic. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1351
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:25:00 -
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I'm on the fence somewhat, i've never used anything like that but have considered trying it after seeing the isboxer Drake vid on youtube.
At the same time, I can see the argument that it's bad for the game. I know a dude who Isboxer'd 4 Ravens in null sec Forsaken Hubs and made obscene isk, and have heard the stories of the "100 man solo mining fleet" lol.
The counter-counter argument is that these tycoons would unsub their 100 ship mining fleets if they couldn't use them...
Hell, as it is I guess it's ok since the player is at the keyboard, but i don't really like it. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2215
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:25:00 -
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Kal Mindar wrote:
I, Kal Mindar, deem that multi boxing programs are a EULA breaking form of automation that undermines the integrity of this game.
When you become CCP Kal Mindar, I'll give a **** what you think.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Sentamon
658
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:27:00 -
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posting in irrational tamper tantrum thread ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Google Voices
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:31:00 -
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"3.You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."
Isboxer clearly breaks the EULA by facilitating the ability of a single person to use an army to facilitate the acquisition of items at an accelerated rate. You could not run 20 clients yourself at anywhere near the efficiency that Isboxer allows.
I guess the rules only apply when CCP says they apply.
"Fozzie could not comment on when this issue would be resolved and stated that GÇ£one day Veritas will come up to me and say GÇÿhey I fixed off-grid boostingGÇÖGÇ¥, but he had no idea on a potential timeframe for this sort of miracle." |
Mai Khumm
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
448
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:36:00 -
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/signed
I've asked this before, with no answer from CCP. If Macro use isn't allowed in EVE. Then what about keyboards that you can make Marcos on the fly on? Are those illegal to use aswell? *insert witty saying here* twitter - @AzamiNevinyrall |
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation
550
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:36:00 -
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Could someone dig up the pictures so often used to prove you don't need multiboxing programs?
Look, just because the op can't afford, refuses to use, has limited CPU to run, or just doesn't like multiple accounts and multiboxing tools does not give them the right to demand we all play by his rules. By this same logic, I could demand nul confers too much advantage so all null should become 1.0 space. |
Arec Bardwin
898
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:37:00 -
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Google Voices wrote:I guess the rules only apply when CCP says they apply. Why do you think CCP constantly pushes great deals for new accounts?
Hint: it has something to do with money. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
602
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:39:00 -
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*This* thread will go places. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:41:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:*This* thread will go places. IBTL?
Vote Malcanis for CSM 8 |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
602
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:42:00 -
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Mag's wrote:silens vesica wrote:*This* thread will go places. IBTL? Yup. IB4L. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1352
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:42:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Could someone dig up the pictures so often used to prove you don't need multiboxing programs?
Look, just because the op can't afford, refuses to use, has limited CPU to run, or just doesn't like multiple accounts and multiboxing tools does not give them the right to demand we all play by his rules. By this same logic, I could demand nul confers too much advantage so all null should become 1.0 space.
Hey look y'all, i found someone who uses the multiboxing software! I have leet detective skills!
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation
550
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:45:00 -
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http://technabob.com/blog/2010/04/11/eve-multi-boxing-rig/
Copy and paste the link. With large sums of money or spare equipment, you don't need a program to multi-box. Would you ban the above also simply because you can't do it? |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
2061
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:47:00 -
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Chandaris wrote:Dante Uisen wrote:Kal Mindar wrote:Any program that allows 1 player to operate 30 characters, even just for movement, should not be allowed. Yes, fleet warp should be a banable offense. Don't be obtuse, that's quite obviously not what he was talking about. That is a supported, by design in game mechanic.
I thought he was being acute. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12862
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:48:00 -
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Kal Mindar wrote:Why are they allowed to hit 1 button and insta warp 30 characters to safety instead of dealing with the consequences of not being able to manually move them all in time to prevent a gank. Simple: because nothing is being automated GÇö it's all direct player input. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
602
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:51:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:http://technabob.com/blog/2010/04/11/eve-multi-boxing-rig/
Copy and paste the link. With large sums of money or spare equipment, you don't need a program to multi-box. Would you ban the above also simply because you can't do it?
That's some serious OCD. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
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Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries Exiliar Syndicate
40
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:52:00 -
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/signed ...I actually thought this isnt allowed at all. |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation
550
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:53:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Could someone dig up the pictures so often used to prove you don't need multiboxing programs?
Look, just because the op can't afford, refuses to use, has limited CPU to run, or just doesn't like multiple accounts and multiboxing tools does not give them the right to demand we all play by his rules. By this same logic, I could demand nul confers too much advantage so all null should become 1.0 space. Hey look y'all, i found someone who uses the multiboxing software! I have leet detective skills!
Oh yes, you caught me... I multi box my 3 accounts because they all can fly the same ships... Oh wait... This one is pvp. She can't mine except in a rokh or the like.
Hmm... Multi box pi? Bpo research? T2 invention? Um... Sorry, none of my toons overlap enough to be useful multiboxing. Ooooooh... I know, they could all multi box badgers! But being able to fly a charon kind of defeats that purpose.
Just because I support multi boxing, does not mean I am a user. I support methadone use for heroine detox, but don't use either. I support the right to bare arms in the US, but I don't own a gun. I support the freedom of the press, but i'm not a journalust. I support same-sex marriage rights, but I'm not getting one of those either.
Supporting a tool, system, belief, or freedom does not mean you will use such a tool, follow the belief or system, or exercise the freedom. It means you support the right of others to do so. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1354
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:57:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Just because I support multi boxing, does not mean I am a user.
Yes it does.
Quote:I support methadone use for heroine detox, but don't use either. Too bad, methdone is dope (literally).
Quote: I support the right to bare arms in the US, but I don't own a gun. You should, guns are dope.
Quote: I support the freedom of the press, but i'm not a journalust. lies, you just posted something, that makes you a reporter
Quote: I support same-sex marriage rights, but I'm not getting one of those either. Then why is your girl avatar looking at my girl avatar like that?
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Kal Mindar
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:58:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:http://technabob.com/blog/2010/04/11/eve-multi-boxing-rig/
Copy and paste the link. With large sums of money or spare equipment, you don't need a program to multi-box. Would you ban the above also simply because you can't do it?
Umm. No. My problem is with a program that takes 1 click and duplicates it 30 times. Again, why should they be allowed to warp all 30 hulks let's say, back to a pos with 1 click. How does this reinforce the main theme of action vs. consequence that this game is underpinned by? |
Zilero
The Littlest Hobos Whores in space
41
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Posted - 2013.02.12 21:02:00 -
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/signed |
Nissui
Millennial Dawn Touch Fiberoptic
18
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Posted - 2013.02.12 21:06:00 -
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Between a single-account user and a 30-account user, I know who CCP is going to side with. Your only hope is to become the evil you seek to destroy, multibox your own fleet of F1 Thrashers, and punish the infidel. |
EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
474
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Posted - 2013.02.12 21:14:00 -
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If only there was some way to kill people you didn't like... |
Dante Uisen
Push button receive bacon
25
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Posted - 2013.02.12 21:15:00 -
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Google Voices wrote:"3.You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play." Isboxer clearly breaks the EULA by facilitating the ability of a single person to use an army to facilitate the acquisition of items at an accelerated rate. You could not run 20 clients yourself at anywhere near the efficiency that Isboxer allows. I guess the rules only apply when CCP says they apply.
Everyone with multiple accounts can make more isk then someone with only one account, and no that's not breaking the EULA.
With isboxer each account is making isk a normal speed, which is the only thing that matters. The EULA binds to each individual account, and not the total number of accounts you own. |
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
316
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Posted - 2013.02.12 21:15:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Chandaris wrote:Dante Uisen wrote:Kal Mindar wrote:Any program that allows 1 player to operate 30 characters, even just for movement, should not be allowed. Yes, fleet warp should be a banable offense. Don't be obtuse, that's quite obviously not what he was talking about. That is a supported, by design in game mechanic. I thought he was being acute. Obtuse, acute... neither is right. Please support: export of settings in editable format
Your stuff goes here. |
Beckie DeLey
Living From Scraps
320
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Posted - 2013.02.12 21:17:00 -
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EVE needs a hard cap on only one instance of the exe running at the same time to seriously crack down on this. There's way too much automation going on. Yeah, this is going to hurt a few guys with their scout/cyno alts, but then again they can just find a corp to fly with if that bothers them.
but sure, outlawing ISBOxer etc is a fine first step towards actual people playing the actual game with actual other people.. So... i started an industry blog at www.derbk.com/eve There i am preparing a guide to all things related to manufacturing. Check it out!
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