still not true.
isoboxer makes it easier and nothing more. it doesn't make the impossible possible.

Don't worry about this one Kate. Judging by the way he types, either english is a 2nd language and he genuinly does not understand the concepts, or he's drunk and is confusing himself with the T.V. remote.

Ok, than by using your logic, we could say that having more than one account is bad. Right? Since YOU are only supposed to have as much potential as one character is supposed to have.

The EULA has 2 parts.
1) use of automation
2) acuire goods faster than without automation.

if 35 of those accounts didn't exist it's still 5vs5
still producing the same amount of stuff.

either way multiboxing isn't helping ME make more isk than i would without it, it's simply making it easier for me.

You would have a case if the EULA said "each account acquire goods faster". It says YOU!


isboxer is using automation to allow YOU to acquire goods faster than YOU could without it. Therefore it is a violation of the letter of the EULA, if not the intent.

How could using isboxer to mine on 40 accounts produce only the same amount of goods as mining without isboxer on 5 accounts?

I understnad if you mean per account. However, as stated repeatedly, the EULA doesn't say per account.

The EULA has 2 parts.
1) use of automation
2) acuire goods faster than without automation.

If you meet both criteria, then it is a violation of the EULA.


If I have 4 accounts online, each mining, but I'm having to target rocks, activate strips, move minerals from hold, etc, etc, in each window manually, then NO AUTOMATION!!!!! That means I'm not in violation of the EULA, even though I'm acquiring goods faster than I could on one account.


If you are using isboxer to AUTOMATE a single click/drag into multiple click/drags, reducing the total amount of manual work, AND by doing so, are acquiring goods faster than you could without the use of the automation, then you are in violation of both clauses, and therefore, in violation of the EULA!



Imagine a law that says... oh.. you can't take something that you do not have the right to take, you are a thief and can be punished. Two clauses..... 1) take 2) don't have the right to take. So.... I take something... but I had the right to take it. Am I a theif? I don't take something that I didn't have the right to take. Am I a thief? NO!. I have to meet both criteria... taking AND not having the right to take.

Same here.

I'm allowed to multi-box to acquire more goods than I could with a single account, as long as I'm not using automation.

You are not allowed to use automation, and as a result of that automation, acquire goods faster than you could without the automation.

The user who is not supposed to earn more is not the dude sitting on his chair with a pack of doritos in a absement. The user is the account used to play the game. Each account cannot use automation to earn more stuff than an account controled by a single player could. isboxer does not enable that. It enable other stuff but not "Aquiring in game currency at a faster rate than normal gameplay" wich is why it is not getting banned and most likely never will.

It doesn't automate anything.
Instead of having to click 2-3-20 times on each screen, you click once.
But its not automated. You, as a person, have to click it. It can't click for you, nor it will make any decisions for you (the small but crucial difference between a bot and multi-box).

It doesn't manipulate the game files, it doesn't check on screen items or using any api routines. No decisions.

So I don't see why it should be banned.

woah there.
back up.
back it right up.
you missed off the very important caveat of #2

IN COMPARISON TO ORDINARY GAMEPLAY.

and then there's this guy.

he ******* gets it. why can't the rest of you get it.

use of automation, in comparison to ordinary game play. In this case, "ordinary" is CLEARLY referring to not using automation.

Now show me where it says "per account", since your entire argument is based on "I'm not getting more per account, then I could on one account".



Are you using automation? Yes. Are you getting more, (not per account, in total) then you could without the use of automation? Yes. If you answer yes to both of these, then you are in violation of the letter, if not the intent of the EULA.

However, CCP has the right to enforce or not enforce the EULA as they choose. All we're saying is that we think CCP should start enforcing the EULA in the case of products like isboxer.

If 35 of those 40 accounts would not exist, or would be mining much slower, producing fewer minerals, then those accounts are indeed.....


Well, actually, since the removal of drone goo which allowed people to generate minerals via ratting faster than they could generate minerals mining, mineral prices seem to have stabilized near the missioning income equilibrium. I can make 50 million ISK an hour missioning on 2 toons. That is fairly fixed based on bounty payout. If mineral prices drop below this, I stop mining and run missions. if mineral prices rise above this, I quit missioning and go mining....

So, you are correct that multiboxing is not pushing down prices... it is just keeping us at the equilibrium where it is break even whether I should mission or mine.

However, the same argument could be made that true botting does not push down prices.


In either case, the point is moot. The EULA does not say "You can't use automation to push up or down prices". It says "you can't use automation to allow YOU (not per account, but YOU) to acquire good faster than you could without automation".

this is just getting ridiculous, can we please get a lock now?

hang on.
back up again.

**** me, every one with an excel spread sheet is using a third party program that lets them make more isk than they usually would because they couldn't do all that math in their head.

BAN EVERY ONE WITH A SPREADSHEET!

Nerf Microsoft

I've heard they warp people around in way over 30+ man groups in nullsec with just one click.

Ban nullsec?

Fleet warping is a built-in feature. Not a 3rd party program. And even if it was, it would not deserve a ban.

You select "Warp fleet to..." -> "Warp to..." command is copied to other clients. So, it is, by OP's logic, automated.

It's built in the client. That mean no 3rd party software. He can't possibly be dense enough to belive they're some illegal tool inside the game interface...

We shall see. There may be no end to the stupidity.