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Whisperen
That's Not A Knife
19
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Posted - 2013.02.12 23:25:00 -
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Beckie DeLey wrote:EVE needs a hard cap on only one instance of the exe running at the same time to seriously crack down on this. There's way too much automation going on. Yeah, this is going to hurt a few guys with their scout/cyno alts, but then again they can just find a corp to fly with if that bothers them.
but sure, outlawing ISBOxer etc is a fine first step towards actual people playing the actual game with actual other people..
LOL |

Zilero
The Littlest Hobos Whores in space
41
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Posted - 2013.02.12 23:29:00 -
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Kal Mindar wrote: One click should never move multiple characters unless CCP has specifically designed that into the game. Ie. Fleet warp.
This.
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Greyson Khashour
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.02.12 23:35:00 -
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Kal Mindar wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:http://technabob.com/blog/2010/04/11/eve-multi-boxing-rig/
Copy and paste the link. With large sums of money or spare equipment, you don't need a program to multi-box. Would you ban the above also simply because you can't do it? Umm. No. My problem is with a program that takes 1 click and duplicates it 30 times. Again, why should they be allowed to warp all 30 hulks let's say, back to a pos with 1 click. How does this reinforce the main theme of action vs. consequence that this game is underpinned by?
uhm...warp fleet to... |

Arec Bardwin
899
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Posted - 2013.02.12 23:39:00 -
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Beckie DeLey wrote:EVE needs a hard cap on only one instance of the exe running at the same time to seriously crack down on this. Oh, I see this one happening any time soon. Best post in the thread so far  |

Agustice Arterius
Couch Athletics
16
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:26:00 -
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You know what...
I'm staying out of this one.
Tell me how it ends. |

NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
340
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Posted - 2013.02.13 01:09:00 -
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Say how does issuing each command to an account facilitate greater reward than some one else going and issuing the command?
I am horribly confused here.
The EULA prohibits you from violating the rest play work cycle we all live by (well unless you are on drugs but that is unsustainable and self correcting) but multiboxing does no such thing.
I suppose then going by that logic we should find the majority ISK/hr of players and anyone over that is looking for a ban by earning at an accelerated rate. Oh and items, oh let's go on the items. All the nullsec alliances need to be shut down right now for acquiring moongoo at a rate I can not match. In fact so do incursion runners and every other severely limited activity. |

stoicfaux
2338
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Posted - 2013.02.13 01:16:00 -
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Nexus store needs to start selling popcorn. 5500 Aurum for my Avatar to hold a box of popcorn that's visible in our forum portraits would be so worth it.
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BadAssMcKill
Ghost Headquarters The Ghost Army
115
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Posted - 2013.02.13 01:34:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Nexus store needs to start selling popcorn. 5500 Aurum for my Avatar to hold a box of popcorn that's visible in our forum portraits would be so worth it.
You'd run out of popcorn so fast though Starships were meant to fly~ |

Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2013.02.13 01:41:00 -
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I didn't read the thread, but I agree, ban all multi boxing software, and also anyone with those new fangled mice that do everything.
Edit - also keyboards with an excessive amount of keys on should receive a ban also. |

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1104
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Posted - 2013.02.13 01:59:00 -
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For a game that promotes alts and multi accounts as much as Eve does, would seem kindof silly to start cracking down on multibox programs.
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
139
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Posted - 2013.02.13 03:10:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kal Mindar wrote:One click should never move multiple characters unless CCP has specifically designed that into the game. Ie. Fleet warp. Why not? What impact does it have on risk vs. reward and action vs. consequence (apart from making the risks that much higher since a multiboxed fleet is that much easier to kill)?
Forgive me if I sound rather lost in the suace for saying this, but I thought the issue is when this "click" doesn't come from a player clicking a mouse or keystrokes but an automated program, not how many ships move or function in unison. I thought that was the difference between multi-boxing and botting and is why multi-boxing is allowed while botting is not. |

Jason Xado
Xado Industries
50
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Posted - 2013.02.13 03:19:00 -
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Multiboxing is valid gameplay. Some like to play Eve as an MMO-RPG. Should you only get to control one villager in Age of Empires? |

Kathern Aurilen
16
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Posted - 2013.02.13 03:26:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:I am of two minds about this. Firstly it is obscene... I don't understand why anyone multi-boxes in this fashion anyway, it seems completely pointless.
Second, I don't see that it is of any harm. A 30 man mining fleet that is all being multiboxed may look like it's earning shed loads of ISK... but it isn't. That poor idiot is only getting the same amount per account as he would be if he were only running one account. He has to pay for all those accounts after all, and running 30 miners isn't going to get you the money for 30 plexes per month.
I could easily have overlooked something here. There is probably some obscure way of multiboxing to make obscene ISK, but I can't see it. If someone running 6 multiboxed accounts is running level fours and earning 50m per tick then he's only really getting 8m per account, which is alright... bout standard really. And he/she is paying CCP for all those accounts... So...More fool him really. With just mining, I could can clear a easy .9 billion in a month with no fleet boost in a mack at lvl 3 with just 5-6 loads a day....
Hell I made a billion in just 3 weeks one time(but that was a LLLOOONNNGGGG month and had fleet boost)
The part ur missing is its 30 guys making isk and only only one guy spending it. Plus if he mines like I do, He would pulling 10-15 BILLION just mining in ONE MONTH AFTER buying the 30 plex. Plus thats 30 plex off the market raising the price that much higher I am a chat alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew -á:(
I named my mining frig adVenture time!! |

Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics CODE.
693
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Posted - 2013.02.13 03:51:00 -
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Agreed, they're lame. +1 |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2217
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Posted - 2013.02.13 03:56:00 -
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Their house, their rules,ladies... |

Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc Bitten.
127
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Posted - 2013.02.13 04:00:00 -
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Imagine the alpha from multiboxing 30 tornado's mmmm |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3083
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Posted - 2013.02.13 04:01:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:http://technabob.com/blog/2010/04/11/eve-multi-boxing-rig/
Copy and paste the link. With large sums of money or spare equipment, you don't need a program to multi-box. Would you ban the above also simply because you can't do it?
How is using a physical machine to automate the process of pressing the same button on a dozen keyboards any different to using a software tool to do the same thing? You clearly have an advantage over pressing all those buttons by hand or even using Synergy or Teleport to do keyboard & mouse sharing.
Note that fleet warp is very different to a dozen ships warping together: in a fleet warp all ships will reach a maximum warp speed determined by the slowest ship in the fleet. So fleet warp is not the same thing as multiboxing synchronised warps. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2013.02.13 04:05:00 -
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Kal Mindar wrote:With the recent news of the Eve-uni multi box botting scandal, I think it is time to ban multi box programs. Any program that allows 1 player to operate 30 characters, even just for movement, should not be allowed. Why are they allowed to hit 1 button and insta warp 30 characters to safety instead of dealing with the consequences of not being able to manually move them all in time to prevent a gank. A click is a click and any program that duplicates one is not following the spirit of action vs. consequence that this amazing game is based upon.
I, Kal Mindar, deem that multi boxing programs are a EULA breaking form of automation that undermines the integrity of this game. I agree. I have no problem with people having as many accounts as they can actually control themselves, but the moment you stand needing special software to duplicate your mouse and keyboard inputs it becomes cheating. |

Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
347
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Posted - 2013.02.13 04:05:00 -
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What I find funny about many eve players is their so nosey about other peoples game play, and they are concerned that the other player has more screen pixel items then they have.
Mmmmm, mommy Billy got more zero's then me, seriously if you want to be a imaginary winner too the multibox too so you can tell everyone you're a gizzionaire in a space game sheesh.  |

Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2013.02.13 04:11:00 -
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Piugattuk wrote:What I find funny about many eve players is their so nosey about other peoples game play, and they are concerned that the other player has more screen pixel items then they have. Mmmmm, mommy Billys got more zero's then me, seriously if you want to be a imaginary winner too then multibox too so you can tell everyone you're a gizzionaire in a space game sheesh.  Yeah it's totally fair. That's why they let triplets enter contests as one person IRL. |
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Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
75
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Posted - 2013.02.13 04:11:00 -
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Don't see much a problem with multiboxing..
Do see an issue with the form of it that replicates your actions though as that's essentially a form of macroing. If one person can control a large number of EVE clients at the same time, I say go for it... they're crazy, but they're making all the effort needed to run it.
Replication and all technicality? You're only really controlling one of the clients while the others are set up to copy it through automation. I'd shed no tears if they made this against the rules, but technically, their rules, as long as they enforce them fairly. |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
2695
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Posted - 2013.02.13 04:12:00 -
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If CCP objects to the use of a macro to automate a certain number of commands on a single client, then they should also object to the use of a program that duplicates a single command to the same number of clients.
So if it's okay to duplicate a command across 30 clients, then I should be able to use a macro to automate 30 commands for one.
I could probably script an ice miner to run most of a day on 30 clicks. (edit: lol@the idea of me mining ice) Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. |

Cyprus Black
The Learning Curve.
657
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Posted - 2013.02.13 04:35:00 -
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Actually, a CCP employee already stated that it was botting, not multiboxing.
Botting is already a bannable offense, ergo this thread is redundant and has no content.
Requesting a moderator lock this thread. Trolling is like art. Anyone can finger paint, but it takes true talent to create a masterpiece. |

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1144
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Posted - 2013.02.13 05:01:00 -
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BadAssMcKill wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Nexus store needs to start selling popcorn. 5500 Aurum for my Avatar to hold a box of popcorn that's visible in our forum portraits would be so worth it.
You'd run out of popcorn so fast though
That's why it should be sold on the market by NPCs. It'd take care of any extra isk in no time at all. Perfect isk sink FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |

Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
372
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Posted - 2013.02.13 05:10:00 -
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I think multiboxing is pants too.
That said it's damn near impossible to prevent, get used to it son. If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if 'm online. BUDDY TRIALS AVAILABLE - 21days plus big ISK bonus and starting assistance |

RAP ACTION HERO
153
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Posted - 2013.02.13 05:22:00 -
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ISBOXER is legal you morons. Watch classic boxing if you like good fights. |

Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
1397
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Posted - 2013.02.13 05:23:00 -
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+1.
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Ohishi
Apocalypse Reign
17
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Posted - 2013.02.13 05:49:00 -
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Think of how fast the plex market would crash when all of the multiboxers are gone and then all of those people that only play one account are pissed because they can't just sell a plex for ISK to buy ships to do stuff in game with. Then also think about how many logistic chains will crumple because mostly it's just a bunch of boxers building and supplying the markets. So you have boxers gone. Hardly anyone besides traders and a few people here and there buying plex. The markets are now failing because the people that bought the plex to run their manufacturing chain are now gone from the game.... Mineral prices are at an all time high, ship manufacturing is at an all time low, markets out side of Jita are now completely barren and the player base shrinks back down to 2006 levels until the game eventually just fizzles out.
But look at the brightside. Supers and force projection are no longer a problem. |

Kanexus
Red Goats
5
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Posted - 2013.02.13 06:21:00 -
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why should ccp care...they making money through plex or sub paying...as you can see they wont respond to a thread like this. every mmorpg has a problem with botting...they know who the botters are and if they dont they are really dumb. all t hey gotta do is go to the ice zones and watch patterns. imagine if u owned a game and wanting to make money but someone was multiboxing 20 accounts at once....u ban him u lose all that money...and imagined if like 100 people did that...thats alot of money to lose.now if they were botting and selling the isk for real cash im sure they would squash it. |

Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
297
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Posted - 2013.02.13 06:22:00 -
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Remove insurance. |
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