and how is it any different if i employ a small chinese boy to do the same clicks .................r.

At this point I had to just stop reading as you are obviously just a Racist Troll.

Next.

My friend runs 5 accounts with Ishtars in nullsec.

Its stupid to let him duplicate one clients actions to the other 4 accounts and it shouldn't be allowed.

End of story.

However he pays 5 times more than I do and money talks.

You know those extra accounts and thx to isboxer, increase exponentially your IG income. This is a fact.
Less demand for plex drives prices down at an acceptable level the 'normal" player would actually buy it, plex price being driven down you need to sell +plex to get the same isk, how's this bad for CCP?

ships get too cheap, losses don't matter

ships get too expensive, nobody PvPs

With the recent news of the Eve-uni multi box botting scandal, I think it is time to ban multi box programs.
Any program that allows 1 player to operate 30 characters, even just for movement, should not be allowed. Why are they allowed to hit 1 button and insta warp 30 characters to safety instead of dealing with the consequences of not being able to manually move them all in time to prevent a gank. A click is a click and any program that duplicates one is not following the spirit of action vs. consequence that this amazing game is based upon.


I, Kal Mindar, deem that multi boxing programs are a EULA breaking form of automation that undermines the integrity of this game.

whine whine whine

then surely, after the loot and drone region changes we want more multiboxers to bring the prices back down to pre-drone/loot change prices?

or did losses not matter then?

This thread is over already, as it's been clearly pointed out, the GMs have already ruled that it's fine.

lol scrub goon whine about not able to gank 30 hulk. ROFLMAO

A lot of tears

it doesn't matter who clicks the button, the result is the same. 30 accounts mine 30 accounts worth of ore. it doesn't matter if it's me doing it with a multibox program, it doesn't matter if it's me with 29 chinese boys, it doesn't matter if it's me with 29 random hobos i pulled off the street. the fact remains, 30 pilots sit in a belt and mine.

I does matter whether those 15 caracals you are facing are firing at the same time or over a period of a few seconds: one means you're dead before logistics can rep you, the other means logistics can keep you alive through the incoming fire.

So yes, it does matter whether the account is controlled using 30 way replication of keystrokes versus 30 keystrokes being issued independently.

The OP was asking for a change in policy. If you were able to read the actual thread before posting in it, you'd know that.

Make smaller better.

Obviously. If it wasn't there wouldn't be a point in asking for it to be, would there moron?




You're contradicting yourself. Make up your mind.

Funny to see you say that since multiboxing actaully make smaller better. There is nothing more empowering of a single player than multiboxing. Why would you make friends to play with when you can, all by yourself, control a nearly limitless number of different character? Large groups would technically ebnefit from a rule stating every single individual character logged in game must be controled by a different end user because they have the manpower to control more account.

I'll believe multi-boxing is not in the same league as a bot when someone proves it is possible to effectively control many, many ships at the same time without ISboxer or similar software.

I don't care if it's done on a hardware level or software. The end result is the same. Actions in the game were executed because something did it instead of a player. The reason I and others are for the idea of making multi-boxing against the EULA is that it (multi-boxing) makes it possible for a player do all by himself what he could not do with no software to back him up.

HOWEVER!

With "ordinary game play" undefined, this is actually a confusing one. Intentionally obfuscating language constructed to give them the easiest/most ways out of a difficult situation. "Ordinary game play" could be construed to mean anything from "interacting directly with the client" to "interacting indirectly with thousands of clients".

Uh huh. It's totally likely that in a 100-man group, you'd have enough multiboxers to give them an advantage over the multiboxers in a 1000-man group, let alone a 10000-man one.

Small groups not only are better at multiboxing, they're just more ~skilled~ and ~elite~ at the game, such that clearly if the 100-man were to just fight the top 100 of the 10000-man they would clearly win.

I mostly meant in a ratio. A solo player multiboxing can pretty much triple his power by only adding 2 account and controling them with a multiboxing tool. A large group of lets say 100 people would each need to add 2 accounts for a total of 200 more accounts needed. They can definately pull it off but it's much more work to do so.

Also, the stupid myth of large corp/alliance/whatever are all bads needs to die.

Basically, aside from the amazingly sweeping "we can do anything, it's ours" clause, there's this wonderfully "precise" form of "anything we don't like, you can't do" clause.

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Take, for example, the cute two-day old newbie who attempts valiantly to tackle a Nyx and gets smartbombed to death in his regime-issued rifter. Said newbie then is caught with 1billion ISK three days in. >__< Sorry newbie, I didn't mean to get you in trouble.

Note: There was such a newbie and they got somewhere from 500mil to 2bil isk, I can't remember. But they did not get into trouble (of course, you might say, but....)

Basically, aside from the amazingly sweeping "we can do anything, it's ours" clause, there's this wonderfully "precise" form of "anything we don't like, you can't do" clause.

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Take, for example, the cute two-day old newbie who attempts valiantly to tackle a Nyx and gets smartbombed to death in his regime-issued rifter. Said newbie then is caught with 1billion ISK three days in. >__< Sorry newbie, I didn't mean to get you in trouble.

Note: There was such a newbie and they got somewhere from 500mil to 2bil isk, I can't remember. But they did not get into trouble (of course, you might say, but....)

The thing about vague language, is that while it gives CCP leeway, it also conveys an illusion of that same leeway to players. I'd love it if CCP was very, VERY specific about this particular usage in it's language. Whichever side that judgement falls on so be it, just very frustrating to have an official document such as the EULA convey two completely opposite messages.

also...

Showering valiant newbies with isk is a favourite past-time of mine, I can't believe this could be true >_<

If all newbies were forced to somehow make enough isk to get into their own ships, I think this would greatly "help" cull the massive horde of GSF newbies that are just about to (or already are) get into an "amazing" spaceship exploding game.

I think the GSF gifting is only really making the starter isk making time much less painfull. At some point the newbie will be able to earn his ship anyway but a 2 day newbie can't do it from the start. Since it helps many people join the game AND make them stay since they can jump to the enjoyable part of the game, I think it's exactly what this game need more of. If more corp were to recruit tons of newbie and leading them right in the heat of the game, the growth of the game would probably be bigger. You'd think most corp would try to copy or at least do a similar recruitement scheme. GSF is the proof that it work but people hate goons with such a passion they can't "lower" themself to the point of doing like them.