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Ralinastrife
Lost Dawn Chaos Stealth Syndicate
17
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Posted - 2013.02.13 14:59:00 -
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For instance..lets say someone got pissed at me and placed a bounty on me. i have cheap implants or none at all in. I use a cheap ship and a friend blows me up. he gets the bounty and gives me half or whatever. Lets just say a bounty was on me for 20mil and the total cost of me losing a ship podded etc came to 10 mil. That means we came out on top and basically just laughed in the face of whoever put a bounty on me.
how is this a good system? if i place a bounty on someone i want him to die and dont care if he is flyin a cheap or expensive ship. I just want that satisfaction of him in fear of dying then that last second when he hears that annoying noise of your ship and pod bout to explode!!!!!!!
I dont want someone to be like... oh someone placed a bounty on me for 10 mil. hey buddy you got a sec to help get rid of it for me..k let me jump in a frigate and lets go out there and get rid of it really quick. |
Propelled
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.02.13 15:06:00 -
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I'm not sure what you're talking about. If the kill is worth 10m, the payout is 2m. In order to get the whole 20m bounty, 100m would need to be destroyed. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
627
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Posted - 2013.02.13 15:06:00 -
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"Is the Bounty System a Bad Idea?"
No.
/thread Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1105
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Posted - 2013.02.13 15:07:00 -
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Bounty system was changed so what you stated doesn't happen. You only get a % back of the value you destroyed. So there really is little way to come out ahead on trying to claim your own bounty.
E: However try if you want, no one is stopping you. |
Ralinastrife
Lost Dawn Chaos Stealth Syndicate
17
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Posted - 2013.02.13 15:12:00 -
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Propelled wrote:I'm not sure what you're talking about. If the kill is worth 10m, the payout is 2m. In order to get the whole 20m bounty, 100m would need to be destroyed.
oh....LOL..so in other words if i place a bounty for 10mil and lets say the person uses a cheap ship and the total kill was like 1 mil. then the person that killed would get like 200k.. would i get the 9 mil back.. |
John DaiSho
Applied Creations The Fendahlian Collective
83
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Posted - 2013.02.13 15:12:00 -
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You just havent understood how bounties work.
If you lose a 10mil ship to your friend he gets payed out 20% of your ships worth, 2 mil. If your bounty was at 20 mil, it will still be 18 mil high after that. Any cargo your ship was carrying around does not count towards the amount of the bounty that gets paid out, so that you cant exploit the system by carrying a lot of heavily market manipulated items with you, that still are basically worthless (thats one of the things that happened with the FW LP madness, where some people killed their own frighters for profit) |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
567
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Posted - 2013.02.13 15:13:00 -
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Ralinastrife wrote:Propelled wrote:I'm not sure what you're talking about. If the kill is worth 10m, the payout is 2m. In order to get the whole 20m bounty, 100m would need to be destroyed. oh....LOL..so in other words if i place a bounty for 10mil and lets say the person uses a cheap ship and the total kill was like 1 mil. then the person that killed would get like 200k.. would i get the 9 mil back..
No. It stays on his head until the end of time - or until He got killed in ships up to the needed value to clear the bounty - whatever happens first.
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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John DaiSho
Applied Creations The Fendahlian Collective
83
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Posted - 2013.02.13 15:13:00 -
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Ralinastrife wrote:Propelled wrote:I'm not sure what you're talking about. If the kill is worth 10m, the payout is 2m. In order to get the whole 20m bounty, 100m would need to be destroyed. oh....LOL..so in other words if i place a bounty for 10mil and lets say the person uses a cheap ship and the total kill was like 1 mil. then the person that killed would get like 200k.. would i get the 9 mil back.. No, the bounty would become 9.8 mil. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1105
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Posted - 2013.02.13 15:14:00 -
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Ralinastrife wrote:Propelled wrote:I'm not sure what you're talking about. If the kill is worth 10m, the payout is 2m. In order to get the whole 20m bounty, 100m would need to be destroyed. oh....LOL..so in other words if i place a bounty for 10mil and lets say the person uses a cheap ship and the total kill was like 1 mil. then the person that killed would get like 200k.. would i get the 9 mil back..
Its a cumulative bounty. Which means it will subtract it from the total of the bounty until there is none left.
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Ralinastrife
Lost Dawn Chaos Stealth Syndicate
17
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Posted - 2013.02.13 15:15:00 -
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oh wow...the bounty system is good then!!!!!! |
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
567
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Posted - 2013.02.13 15:15:00 -
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Ralinastrife wrote:oh wow...the bounty system is good then!!!!!!
/thread
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
4535
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Posted - 2013.02.13 16:16:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Ralinastrife wrote:oh wow...the bounty system is good then!!!!!! /thread
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
629
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Posted - 2013.02.13 16:18:00 -
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Ralinastrife wrote:oh wow...the bounty system is good then!!!!!! Rare instance of "rational argument convincing OP to change mind" observed.
Next such event scheduled for: 1st Quarter, 2015. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
480
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Posted - 2013.02.13 16:21:00 -
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can't deny the facts. the bounty system as it is now is somethign that works.
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Spurty
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
799
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Posted - 2013.02.13 16:25:00 -
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It's 'anti-scam' loaded, out the door.
Generates mails as you pew pew telling you that your wallet just levelled up, which is also nice.
--- GÇ£If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.GÇ¥ GÇò Philip K. **** |
TheBlueMonkey
Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance
407
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Posted - 2013.02.13 16:25:00 -
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Ralinastrife wrote:For instance..lets say someone got pissed at me and placed a bounty on me. i have cheap implants or none at all in. I use a cheap ship and a friend blows me up. he gets the bounty and gives me half or whatever. Lets just say a bounty was on me for 20mil and the total cost of me losing a ship podded etc came to 10 mil. That means we came out on top and basically just laughed in the face of whoever put a bounty on me.
how is this a good system? if i place a bounty on someone i want him to die and dont care if he is flyin a cheap or expensive ship. I just want that satisfaction of him in fear of dying then that last second when he hears that annoying noise of your ship and pod bout to explode!!!!!!!
I dont want someone to be like... oh someone placed a bounty on me for 10 mil. hey buddy you got a sec to help get rid of it for me..k let me jump in a frigate and lets go out there and get rid of it really quick.
I don't care about bounties so when\if they're placed on me they really don't matter.
If someone comes looking to kill me for the reward, awesome, I get a fight. If no one comes looking to kill me for the reward, awesome, I'll go look for a fight.
Bounties or not, this doesn't change. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2238
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Posted - 2013.02.13 16:29:00 -
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The size of my bounty coupled with the fact that I only fly a Velator means I can be blown up every day from now until the internet dies and still have plenty left over.
I have no problem with that. It's far and above better than the old bounty system.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
629
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Posted - 2013.02.13 16:30:00 -
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Spurty wrote:It's 'anti-scam' loaded, out the door.
Generates mails as you pew pew telling you that your wallet just levelled up, which is also nice.
Also sends notes to those who post bounties that Justice is happening. Which is nice. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
879
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Posted - 2013.02.13 17:54:00 -
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Ralinastrife wrote:For instance..lets say someone got pissed at me and placed a bounty on me. i have cheap implants or none at all in. I use a cheap ship and a friend blows me up. he gets the bounty and gives me half or whatever. Lets just say a bounty was on me for 20mil and the total cost of me losing a ship podded etc came to 10 mil. That means we came out on top and basically just laughed in the face of whoever put a bounty on me.
You have just described the old bounty system. EvE Forum Bingo |
Achenar Chertio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.02.13 17:59:00 -
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Xearal wrote:can't deny the facts. the bounty system as it is now is somethign that works.
Except it doesn't. Two main reasons why people place bounties on other people are 1. for the lolz and 2. just because I can. Secondly, I've seen a thread or two where the OP has placed 1 billion bounty or more on someone and nobody at least in the thread could care less. Heck, they even asked who cares. And why should they when the actual bounty that the wanted person is worth is probably a lot less.
But maybe this is how it's going to be without making the bounty system exploitable again. |
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Whitehound
795
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Posted - 2013.02.13 18:03:00 -
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It has a few oddities in how it pays out the bounties as it can happen for dead players to receive a payout, too, even when they have lost in a fight. This is the case when CONCORD or another police force kills a player does it then simply pick the first next player involved in the fight. To me does this make little sense as I see bounties as a reward and dying in the process just does not fit in here.
I am also not sure how it is handled when two corporation members (of the same corporation) kill each other and their corporation has a bounty on it. From what I have read does it then pay out the corporation bounty to the corporation members, which again makes little sense to me. SCAM CAT - Titan Jump - I was there - Goon Dog |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1041
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Posted - 2013.02.13 18:37:00 -
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Well this new system is at least beter that the old one |
Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
77
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Posted - 2013.02.13 19:03:00 -
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The bounty system is good, just comes with two problems. Its use as a method to reduce gank costs and how you basically need to destroy five equal value ships to afford losing your one unless you get some really good module and salvage drops. I can definitely understand it not being one for one, but I kind of wish it was more around one to two or three on average when you include the modules and salvage on average keeping bounty hunting high risk but something that's actually more viable to have as an active profession. I really couldn't forsee even a tenth of the pilots who are interested in this being able to maintain much of a better kill ratio than that. Suppose its a great supplemental pay to highly paid mercs though and its better than the old one by far. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
639
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Posted - 2013.02.13 19:06:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:It has a few oddities in how it pays out the bounties as it can happen for dead players to receive a payout, too, even when they have lost in a fight. This is the case when CONCORD or another police force kills a player does it then simply pick the first next player involved in the fight. To me does this make little sense as I see bounties as a reward and dying in the process just does not fit in here.
I am also not sure how it is handled when two corporation members (of the same corporation) kill each other and their corporation has a bounty on it. From what I have read does it then pay out the corporation bounty to the corporation members, which again makes little sense to me. I defy you to show me any formulaic system of bureaucracy which does not have Kafka-esque elements or moments. This system is still far and away superior to teh previous system.
Only way to prevent Kafka-esque events from randomly happening is to employ human arbiters for bounty-payment. And frankly, CCP will never have enough money to waste on throwing down that particular rat-hole. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
687
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Posted - 2013.02.13 19:08:00 -
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New bounty system is pure gold for the suicide ganking community.
Its like a free 20% insurance policy for all your suicide gank ships - where the angry victims paid the premiums.
Last of all, I get to call myself a 'bounty hunter' instead of a suicide ganker, because miners always seem to have bounties on them these days.
I would highly recommend increasing the payout to 50% of total losses, however.
Would make the bounty hunting profession even more attractive for us bounty hunters. |
Sid Hudgens
Totally not an NPC Corp
136
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Posted - 2013.02.13 23:04:00 -
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I'm kind of hoping that if nobody finds a good way to game the system then they might increase the percentage in the future. "....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
843
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Posted - 2013.02.13 23:06:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Ralinastrife wrote:oh wow...the bounty system is good then!!!!!! Rare instance of "rational argument convincing OP to change mind" observed. Next such event scheduled for: 1st Quarter, 2015.
This man is an optimist "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
2099
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Posted - 2013.02.13 23:09:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Ralinastrife wrote:oh wow...the bounty system is good then!!!!!! Rare instance of "rational argument convincing OP to change mind" observed. Next such event scheduled for: 1st Quarter, 2015.
Im not sure what just happened here...im scared... Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Whitehound
799
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Posted - 2013.02.13 23:53:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:silens vesica wrote:Ralinastrife wrote:oh wow...the bounty system is good then!!!!!! Rare instance of "rational argument convincing OP to change mind" observed. Next such event scheduled for: 1st Quarter, 2015. Im not sure what just happened here...im scared... I blame ISDs. SCAM CAT - Titan Jump - I was there - Goon Dog |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
2753
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Posted - 2013.02.14 00:15:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Spurty wrote:It's 'anti-scam' loaded, out the door.
Generates mails as you pew pew telling you that your wallet just levelled up, which is also nice.
Also sends notes to those who post bounties that Justice is happening. Which is nice. Nice until it becomes annoying. If there's a way to turn those off, I haven't seen it. If there isn't...CCP, get to it. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. |
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