I'm not sure what you're talking about. If the kill is worth 10m, the payout is 2m. In order to get the whole 20m bounty, 100m would need to be destroyed.

oh....LOL..so in other words if i place a bounty for 10mil and lets say the person uses a cheap ship and the total kill was like 1 mil. then the person that killed would get like 200k.. would i get the 9 mil back..

oh....LOL..so in other words if i place a bounty for 10mil and lets say the person uses a cheap ship and the total kill was like 1 mil. then the person that killed would get like 200k.. would i get the 9 mil back..

oh....LOL..so in other words if i place a bounty for 10mil and lets say the person uses a cheap ship and the total kill was like 1 mil. then the person that killed would get like 200k.. would i get the 9 mil back..

oh wow...the bounty system is good then!!!!!!

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oh wow...the bounty system is good then!!!!!!

For instance..lets say someone got pissed at me and placed a bounty on me. i have cheap implants or none at all in. I use a cheap ship and a friend blows me up. he gets the bounty and gives me half or whatever. Lets just say a bounty was on me for 20mil and the total cost of me losing a ship podded etc came to 10 mil. That means we came out on top and basically just laughed in the face of whoever put a bounty on me.

how is this a good system? if i place a bounty on someone i want him to die and dont care if he is flyin a cheap or expensive ship. I just want that satisfaction of him in fear of dying then that last second when he hears that annoying noise of your ship and pod bout to explode!!!!!!!

I dont want someone to be like... oh someone placed a bounty on me for 10 mil. hey buddy you got a sec to help get rid of it for me..k let me jump in a frigate and lets go out there and get rid of it really quick.

It's 'anti-scam' loaded, out the door.

Generates mails as you pew pew telling you that your wallet just levelled up, which is also nice.

For instance..lets say someone got pissed at me and placed a bounty on me. i have cheap implants or none at all in. I use a cheap ship and a friend blows me up. he gets the bounty and gives me half or whatever. Lets just say a bounty was on me for 20mil and the total cost of me losing a ship podded etc came to 10 mil. That means we came out on top and basically just laughed in the face of whoever put a bounty on me.

can't deny the facts. the bounty system as it is now is somethign that works.

It has a few oddities in how it pays out the bounties as it can happen for dead players to receive a payout, too, even when they have lost in a fight. This is the case when CONCORD or another police force kills a player does it then simply pick the first next player involved in the fight. To me does this make little sense as I see bounties as a reward and dying in the process just does not fit in here.

I am also not sure how it is handled when two corporation members (of the same corporation) kill each other and their corporation has a bounty on it. From what I have read does it then pay out the corporation bounty to the corporation members, which again makes little sense to me.

Rare instance of "rational argument convincing OP to change mind" observed.

Next such event scheduled for: 1st Quarter, 2015.

Rare instance of "rational argument convincing OP to change mind" observed.

Next such event scheduled for: 1st Quarter, 2015.

Im not sure what just happened here...im scared...

Also sends notes to those who post bounties that Justice is happening. Which is nice.

For instance..lets say someone got pissed at me and placed a bounty on me. i have cheap implants or none at all in. I use a cheap ship and a friend blows me up. he gets the bounty and gives me half or whatever. Lets just say a bounty was on me for 20mil and the total cost of me losing a ship podded etc came to 10 mil. That means we came out on top and basically just laughed in the face of whoever put a bounty on me.

how is this a good system? if i place a bounty on someone i want him to die and dont care if he is flyin a cheap or expensive ship. I just want that satisfaction of him in fear of dying then that last second when he hears that annoying noise of your ship and pod bout to explode!!!!!!!

I dont want someone to be like... oh someone placed a bounty on me for 10 mil. hey buddy you got a sec to help get rid of it for me..k let me jump in a frigate and lets go out there and get rid of it really quick.

The only problem with the bounty system is that the payout percentage isn't higher.

Nice until it becomes annoying. If there's a way to turn those off, I haven't seen it. If there isn't...CCP, get to it.

Nothing but a kill mail !!! Likely, not even a frickin corpse! So whats the point? Revenge? How is there any revenge when the guy you put the bounty on gets to first laugh at you for mining (stupid miners), then gets to laugh after you get blown up, then laugh after you get podded, then laugh at the bounty you placed on them because they think you made them mad.

Personally I think seeing that over 3/4 of players have bounties on them nullifies the point of bounties. Yes this system is better then the old one, but allowing anyone to place bounties on anyone for any reason with the click of a button is useless.

Needs to be some sort of application application system so that people cant just right click and place bounty. Something where you have to jump through a few hoops, so that if you want to place a bounty you need to work at it.

Or increase the minimum bounty to 10 mill, that would work too.

Its rare that I see a player out of dock that doesn't have a crap bounty or actually has a real bounty when I start right clicking in Dodoxi.

Other than that, the new bounty system is actually way better than the old one.

In order for bounties to actually work. It would have to be a bad thing to have one. Now it's just a badge of honour to pirates and an annoyance for regular people who never earned them.

Bounties do not work at the moment no.

In order for bounties to actually work. It would have to be a bad thing to have one. Now it's just a badge of honour to pirates and an annoyance for regular people who never earned them.

Bounties do not work at the moment no.

Personally I think seeing that over 3/4 of players have bounties on them nullifies the point of bounties.

Maybe it was a typo. But then that nullifies the point of their post.

I am sure the percentage of bounties is higher in Jita than somewhere in 0.0 or W-space.

I am sure the percentage of bounties is higher in Jita than somewhere in 0.0 or W-space.

All it takes is to klick the link and read the devblog. There is a graph for that too. Enjoy the colors, it's a Punkturis devblog

No. It only shows the bounties claimed per sec level. You think all those 100k ISK bounties in high-sec are getting claimed?

Takes a little bit more than clicking stuff, son.

You mean you prefer to take a wild guess over an approximation based on related data? Maybe that works for you dad.

Interesting, I assume there is a way to look that up but I didn't know about it.

When i say 3/4 of the people have bounties on them, I mean I actually right clicked a bunch of people in dodoxi local one day while bored, and that about 3 out of 4 active players in local had a bounty on them.

Reality in dodoxi verses statistics game wide

Characters that have logged in within the last 7 days with personal bounties on them
11.7%

What do I get for the kill? Besides being out the original 380m loss and the 127m bounty?

Nothing but a kill mail !!! Likely, not even a frickin corpse! So whats the point? Revenge? How is there any revenge when the guy you put the bounty on gets to first laugh at you for mining (stupid miners), then gets to laugh after you get blown up, then laugh after you get podded, then laugh at the bounty you placed on them because they think you made them mad.

The bounty system should only work for those who lose ships (with one type of multiplier) and podded (with another multiplier). You should get your bounty back (times the sec status as a multiplier, divided by ship value, times either ship loss or pod multiplier) and the person filling the bounty gets an equal amount minus the original bounty.

You shouldn't base game changes, on anecdotal evidence or assumptions.

Is this an assumption of yours?

Let me help you out.

If there is an imbalance, which does not show up in an average statistic, than your so called "anecdotal evidence" may be your only evidence for it. So it is good to look at those once in a while.

And every developer assumes their changes will work and improve the game. And if they have done their homework will their assumptions almost always prove right. They only will not know before it goes live.

Also, Devs assuming things will work, is not the same as basing changes on assumptions. Just helping.

Actually it is.

You look at your evidence and draw conclusions, and when you implement a change then because you assume that whatever it is you want to change is going to work out. Only when you do not change a thing do you have certainty. So each time you make a change do you take chances.

I bolded the important part. That's the part I'm talking about.

Now I'm not even sure, you know what you're disagreeing with. Being as you're saying what I'm saying.

First of all is nobody here talking about the total average except for a couple of forum warriors who want to win a non-existing argument as they always do. No news here.

Now for a player who lives in high-sec will the number of players with an active bounty be higher. Just stay long enough in Jita and players will give you a bounty if you do not have one already, because they only need to look at the icons.

The dev blog, when looking at the pie chart for the sec levels, then only shows the amount of total ISKs claimed per sec level. It is then important to understand that a bounty can disappear if enough of it is being claimed. So since the ISKs claimed in 0.0 is much higher than for high-sec will this mean that there are a lot more unclaimed bounties to be found in high-sec than in 0.0.

Just because it is not written pink on black so you can get it, does not mean one cannot draw conclusion out of those numbers.

You get this now?

The OP suggested a change that required us to jump through hoops, because he assumed that 3/4 of people had bounties.

That's why I said what I said. No dev in their right mind would say, "Oh look, 3/4 of people have bounties, let's change them."

Why not? You have based your assumption that no changes are needed on the average value of 3.4%, because you believe it is a low enough number, meaning it represents only a minority. Do you then know what an imbalance is and what an imbalance in bounties could look like? ...

The bounty system should be open to all, but when a "Law-Abiding" citizen, AKA "carebear", places bounties, there should be some negative effects on their public standing.

Suggestions:

- Placing Bounties on players with positive sec status costs the issuer sec status.

- The higher the bounty's sec status, the greater the minimum cost. Substantial enough that putting a hit on an otherwise "upstanding citizen" too often can lead to "legal" problems in Hisec.

- Set a cap on number of active bounties per account. 10 is a good number. If people have issues with more than 10 people, they should be placing bounties on corps, or alliances.

Yes, this is a good way to vastly lessen the crap bounties you see everywhere, give a consequence to putting multiple bounties without damaging the rest of the bounty system. +1 lol

It makes no sense, because you do look for evidence (anecdotal, hidden, odd, strange, funny or otherwise) and you do make assumptions.

Perhaps explain to me why one shouldn't do it.

Except that bounties are a player standings led mechanic, so NPC standings are irrelevant.

Interesting, I assume there is a way to look that up but I didn't know about it.

When i say 3/4 of the people have bounties on them, I mean I actually right clicked a bunch of people in dodoxi local one day while bored, and that about 3 out of 4 active players in local had a bounty on them.

Reality in dodoxi verses statistics game wide

He seems to be talking about the sec status and not NPC standings.

He's talking about peoples sec status. Which is an NPC standing.

When sec status goes below a certain level, players can attack them with impunity, thus is is not exclusively an NPC standing.

Because they are statistically irrelevant, which means they are completely worthless? Why do I even have to explain this.. oh wait this is a discussion on the internet.. right.

And? Just because people use it, doesn't make it not an NPC standing. It's given and taken away by Concord, who just so happens to be an NPC.

And? Just because people use it, doesn't make it not an NPC standing. It's given and taken away by Concord, who just so happens to be an NPC.

...And? If Concord can frown upon attacking innocent citizens, Concord can frown upon placing bounties on upstanding citizens.

...And? i didn't say it was not an NPC standing, i said it wasn't exclusively and NPC standing.

In real-life is placing a bounty often a criminal act (in some countries). He seems to suggest to make it one in New Eden as well. I think he is making a fair point. I just do not believe CCP will take the technical effort, which is behind this. Increasing the minimum is in my opinion a better and simpler way. If someone wants to place lots of bounties when the minimum is like 10m ISK then why not?!

It's still an NPC standing and irrelevant to the player led standing bounty system.

And why do you believe should CONCORD be looking away? So you can be a nice carebear with a 5.0 sec status??

Other than this do I not see your point. The fact that the sec status is an NPC standing is at best a meaningless coincidence. It sure is not a point when it could be implemented in such a way. CONCORD is already looking at fights in high-sec, decides over wars and takes money of alliances. I see no problem for them to get involved in bounties, too.

It may only not fit into CCP's long-term plans on what the role of CONCORD shall be. I think we all want less CONCORD, but it does not quite work without them. Maybe it never will...

It's still an NPC standing and irrelevant to the player led standing bounty system. Thanks for posting.

- Bounties could only be placed while in stations, and only stations in NULL or Losec would be immune to Concord's influence on the issuer's standing.

This makes no sense for W-space hooligans, 0.0 POS dwellers and AFK cloakers.

I disagree, good sir.

Sec status is modified by (and not exclusively to) Concord's monitoring of player actions against other players. Placing bounties in Hisec, is by definition, player action against other players and should fall under Concord Jurisdiction.

As an amendment to my previous suggestions:

- Bounties could only be placed while in stations, and only stations in NULL or Losec would be immune to Concord's influence on the issuer's standing.

Would that address your concerns?

Besides, the value of concord is altogether another topic. My posts are made working with the current Concordian systems in place.

Could you elaborate on what doesn't make sense? when i said Bounties could only be placed in stations, i meant:

The issuer must go to a station to place the bounty with a bounty NPC; the target can be in space - anywhere in the universe.

It has a few oddities in how it pays out the bounties as it can happen for dead players to receive a payout, too, even when they have lost in a fight. This is the case when CONCORD or another police force kills a player does it then simply pick the first next player involved in the fight. To me does this make little sense as I see bounties as a reward and dying in the process just does not fit in here.

I am also not sure how it is handled when two corporation members (of the same corporation) kill each other and their corporation has a bounty on it. From what I have read does it then pay out the corporation bounty to the corporation members, which again makes little sense to me.

Since the bounty payout is only 20% of the forcefully decomissioned ship, it does make sense. You (the despicable person that voluntarily stays in a corporation that most assuredly encourages antisocial behaviour) loose more than You earn when You kill Your corp mates.

EDIT: that is to say, the corp as a whole looses more than it earns. You however, despicable and antisocial as You are earn ISK in the process. I say kill them all, get rich and the leave the corp.

Placing a bounty on someone who deserves it is meaningless because you're just feeding their ego and placing a bounty can be done so lightly that it's become greatly abused.

Maximum number of bounties 3 per lvl of Criminal Connections

Hows this then? (for issuing)

Minimum bounty 10 mill

Maximum number of bounties 3 per lvl of Criminal Connections

(once max is reached, one bounty must be revoked before issuing another)

Why?

Interesting.

I'd like to add another to this:

- Reduction of the payout from 20% to 5%
- A new skill Bounty Negotiations, which gives 5% extra payout per level with a maximum of 30% at level 5.

Honestly, I can only think of two reasons... because training skills is fun and it should have been in there right from the start!!

His ideas so far, just look at limiting bounties. As the system has only just been delimited, it's odd to go backwards.

I can see the logic to your idea. You're making it have meaning and giving it more of a focus towards bounty hunting.

His ideas so far, just look at limiting bounties. As the system has only just been delimited, it seems odd to go backwards.

His idea is brilliant, because it is just funny. Run it through your head a few times... you need to train Criminal Connections in order to place bounties! I want to train.

The value itself seems low and I would probably vote for like 10 bounties per level. It leaves plenty of room for casual bounties but stops the nutters, who place 50 bounties per day on random players. I am sure EVE has got such players...

the idea is to reduce rampant bounty spam.

not to limit, but to rationalize.

What rampant bounty spam?

the posts of people claiming to sit on gates and put bounties on people as they enter systems

the posts from players saying WTF!!! bounty on me, but why??

but yeah you're right, rampant was perhaps too strong a word.

They have every right to do that. It's not yours or my place, to dictate the reason people have for placing bounties.

Anyway, CCP have already nailed the rampant suggestion. I'm simply surprised, people are still trying to flog that dead horse.

What rampant bounty spam?

They have every right to do that. It's not yours or my place, to dictate the reason people have for placing bounties.

Anyway, CCP have already nailed the rampant suggestion. I'm simply surprised, people are still trying to flog that dead horse.

No one is dictating. We're having a discussion on idea's to improve game systems.

It is in everyone's interest to make suggestions. We have every right to make suggestions.

You, however, only seem to shoot ideas down with no constructive comments or contribution to the thread.

Thank YOU for posting.

Under the current system, sure they have every right, but why? Why would CONCORD let a capsuleer put out a hit on another capsuleer without repercussions? Dispensing justice is CONCORD's responsibility, not the capsuleer's.

So yeah, no, I'm not a big fan of the current system. It's not a bounty, because bounties are for criminals. In the real world we call that a hit and it's illegal. Placing a hit on someone should have consequences.

I can also see a positive side on such a limitation, because once one comes close to the limit or simply cannot place another one will some choose their bounties more wisely. This can (does not have to) lead to bounties of a higher value. The thought is that when one cannot place endless little bounties then some will place a few big bounties instead. This would play into the hands of bounty hunters.

For those of you who want bounties to be placable only on people with low sec statuses, I'd like to present a short list of things that I regularly do that people would want to place bounties on my for but don't effect my sec status:

-I join corps in order to kill members of that corp
-I go into peoples missions and steal their loot
-I sit around as a suspect and try to convince people to kill me
-I bump peoples ships so they cannot obtain their objectives
-If I see someone putting up or taking down a POS I'll land on it while something is unanchored in space and steal them
-I put up margin scams
-I offer services that I never deliver on, stealing someone's money in the process
-I wardec corps and alliances

All of these thing I can do without effecting my sec status at all. In fact, several of my fellow Skunks have positive sec statuses.

In your view, are these not valid reasons to put a bounty on me? Are they only valid if I've also done some suicide ganking in my time?

More importantly than that, why do you feel that you're a "good guy" because you've shot a couple plusses here and there? And why do you feel the game needs to favor "good guys"?

Why? Because it's about player standings between each other. Concord have no place in that.

Also you're dead wrong. Dispensing justice is as much a players right, as it is Concords.

Yeah, and I don't like my neighbor, but so what? The local police don't care about my standing with my neighbor, but they do care if I put a hit on her. And CONCORD does have a place in player standings between each other or they wouldn't come by and crush the guy who just podded an afk miner in 0.9 space.


Haven't we pretty clearly established that a bounty has nothing to do with justice? That's not what I'm talking about. Going after a guy with a suspect flag in high sec is fine. Going after a guy with a bounty and no suspect flag is not fine. Again, not justice.

Placing bounties, is hoping someone will dispense justice.

Explain to me how placing a bounty on a noob in Rookie chat is justice.

Can you read?

Choose more wisely? Why should we say what's is and isn't wise, about any bounty placed?

Well enough to know that answering a question with a question isn't an answer. And well enough to know that you misspelled "analogy" in your previous post.

No, this is not what I meant. Players want to place bounties for many reasons and the most common reason will perhaps be retaliation. What it should not be is to place them for the sake of placing them, which is currently the case and because bounties are new. Point is, players want to place bounties and when they are being restricted will they not just sulk and walk off, but they will try to find ways to work around the limitation. So some will use alts (no surprise here), but some will simply place higher bounties as for their retaliation instead of many little ones. Others will try to place corporation and alliance bounties more often than individual bounties. This is why I believe it will play into the hands of bounty hunters when players are being forced to place bounties more wisely.

Bounty hunting has to face the mass of little bounties, which are simply not worth going for. So these really have little meaning until the ISKs eventually pile up, which means it is going to take a while and then a retaliation may have lost its purpose and it is only a lot of notifications to the players.

nonsense

Well I see your point. But it still boils down to their reason for placing the bounty, is not what you would reason to be a good one.

EVE has a pretext of law and order. There are criminals, there are suspects, there are people who skirt the law. There are people who are jerks. Being a jerk is not illegal. Placing a hit however, does not fit within the established pretext of law and order. If it's illegal to loot someone else's container, then it should be illegal to offer a payout on someone's head.

Yes, of course. I do not judge them based on what may have triggered the bounty (ship explosion, theft, etc.), but what it means for the game play of EVE. The more meaning something has got, the more fun it becomes. Just like loss is meaningful.

Or what is good about many little bounties when nobody likes to go for them? It actually becomes pointless to argue why a particular bounty is good or why it is bad, when in the end nobody cares for it.

You seem to be playing the wrong game. A game where criminals hide in all areas and are not bound by NPC standings. Or you're simply still confusing a game, with RL. Who knows?

EVE has a pretext of law and order. There are criminals, there are suspects, there are people who skirt the law. There are people who are jerks. Being a jerk is not illegal. Placing a hit however, does not fit within the established pretext of law and order. If it's illegal to loot someone else's container, then it should be illegal to offer a payout on someone's head.

What are you even talking about? People with neg sec status show up in high sec all the time. What does that have to do with the bounty system?

Also its not like having a bounty on your head means people can safely attack you, they still need the killrights.

Bound as in anyone can be a criminal. Even noobs. The fact you thought I only meant neg sec players, speaks volumes.

Okay then. Explain to me what you mean. Without asking me if I can read, please. And for the record, I was not assuming you meant only neg sec players, that was just an example I used.

And shall I eat pizza tonight?

(I thought I add another important question here.)

The status of criminal, has a different meaning within the bounty system. Any player can be considered a criminal by another player. Some may have a very high sec status, but their actions with a corp or individual, may have made them highly despised and thus wanted.

Then someone may consider a players actions in a chat channel criminal and place a bounty on them. As daft as any reason may sound to you and I, it's their reason and I believe we should respect that. Many calls for change, seem to be based on this. People think the reasons are wrong and want it limited to stop what they consider are, bad bounties.

One of the early reasons for limitations, was the charge that everyone was getting a bounty. That it wouldn't be long before all of New Eden, were flying around with 100k. But this has all but vanished, mainly due to CCP's blog and it's numbers.

This all begs the question, though, why people seem to feel that not interefering with others gameplay in a direct way should be considered morally right, or "good", and why being "good" should be a protected game style.

Greatly abused? In what way?

Placing a bounty doesn't make a player a criminal, nor is a player considered a criminal simply because he or she has a bounty. Nothing in the dev blogs, the Retribution notes on bounties, or in evelopedia state that. The Retribution notes say that it's another means for pilots to seek redress. That's all. Nothing about criminals. There are some pretty clear rules on what makes a criminal a criminal, and another player can't just decide that.

Well, it is daft. I don't have a problem with players putting innumerable hits on other players, but how about we call it what it is and stop pretending that Player B is a criminal because Player A decided that he was. Player B is not a criminal if he hasn't met the guidelines already set out, and that's what I mean by people who skirt the law. It's annoying and Player B may be a jerk, but he's not a criminal.

I was pretty surprised that more people don't have bounties because someone was handing them out to nearly everyone in Rookie Chat my first day. That's pretty obnoxious, and not to mention frustrating for noobs who don't really know what it means or how it works.

But, CCP doesn't care what my opinion is anyway because they've made it clear that they're more than happy with how it works.

People spam bounties on hundreds of people just for laughs. This is especially common in NPC corps.

You have figures to show me, just how abused it is?

You have figures to show me, just how abused it is?

I'd be more interested in hearing how that qualifies as abuseGǪ?

It certainly works better than the old bounty system.

Now... whether or not it really motivates someone to hunt down the dog you want you want to put to sleep is another story. Chances are, they are more likely to ge the bounty as a result of a kill already in progress than something they chased you for.

Why do I need to rely upon CCP or Evelopedia, to tell me when I or anyone else for that matter, consider someone a criminal? The fact is I don't. If I decide they are in my eyes and I want them wanted, I shall place a bounty accordingly. Or simply shoot them myself. It's not your place to tell me otherwise and this is why you are misunderstanding the bounty system. You are quite obviously still of the mind, that only those with negative sec status can be criminals. How wrong you are.

The bounty system is a player led standings mechanic. When a player places a bounty, they consider that person to be of a lower standing and therefore wanted. It's their personal standing towards that player.

This is another reason why I think the bounty system is great. It opens up the possibility of player retribution. Which is why it's no coincidence, that name was chosen.

Daft to you maybe, but not to someone else. That's the whole point and one that seems to elude you.

I can see you think many bounties are obnoxious, others don't. I have a feeling you'll never see the other peoples views in this regard.

CCP does care, but not for those who think sandbox means the game should only be played their way. ;)

I'm not wrong because they are not necessarily criminals. You can't shoot someone with a bounty with CONCORD nearby if CONCORD doesn't consider them criminals. Bounty =/= Criminal. Do you understand the semantic difference between a bounty and a hit?

Your point? Because that person still does not automatically become a criminal.

Which, again, I have no problem with. But it's still not a bounty, it's a hit.

What seems to be eluding you is the difference between, "I don't like you" and "You're a criminal."

Probably not, given that I had a 100k bounty my first day in EVE, and not because I asked a question, but because I answered one.

Well, you want the sandbox your way and your way just happens to be the way it's currently played, so how are you any different? All I'm saying is that in a game that does have legalities (loose as they are, I mean really, how can CONCORD possibly know if I loot someone else's container?) that a "bounty" system of placing a price on a character for any reason doesn't make sense.

Where do people get this idea that a bounty is anything to do with being a criminal? Criminals put out bounties (or contracts) on people in the real world all the time, probably more than LEOs do.

If I took your point of view, then it must be allowed to self-destruct and claim 20% of one's own bounty... which is not allowed.

If I want corp members to kill each other over a bounty can I place individual bounties on the members. Here it makes sense, because these are individually placed bounties.

I want corporation bounties to be different from individual player-bound bounties so that corporation members cannot get any ISKs from it. Some corporations then hold little PvP matches, where they destroy their own assets purposely, but to train their pilots. I do not want a corporation bounty to serve here as a payment for such events.

Or imagine a high corporation bounty when a new player starts awoxing it. It would play right into the awoxer's hands.

You say "Criminals put out bounties on people" and then you ask "Where do people get this idea that a bounty is anything to do with being a criminal?" ...

Are you joking or do you seriously not see the connection?

No, You cannot and certainly not by my point of view claim bounties placed on yourself.

Right, but I can use an alt.

Now explain why a corporation can claim their own bounty. And do not say because of awoxing. If I want to awox myself then I should have the same right as anybody else no matter if I use an alt or through self-destruct.

I call it a paradox, but I am curious how you will explain it.

Which is completely and utterly useless as You still loose more than You gain. It'd be cheaper just to transfer the money from one alt to another.

regarding alts: everyone could be everyones alt, being in the same corp is not a valid indicator.

So why is one not allowed to directly cash in on one's own bounty? Because it is meant to make abuse difficult!

And why is it allowed for corporations to cash in on themselves? Because CCP did not think it through and so it is being abused.

Conclusion: I cannot recommend anyone to use corporation or alliance bounties for this reason - do not use them. Instead, place individual bounties on only a few members and hope it does not encourage abuse as much as corporation/alliance bounties do.

If I wanted to put ISKs into the pockets of those players who I want to place a bounty on then there is already an easier way.

I really do not get Your point.

You say "Criminals put out bounties on people" and then you ask "Where do people get this idea that a bounty is anything to do with being a criminal?" ...

Are you joking or do you seriously not see the connection?

Apologies: I should have been more precise and said "Where do people get this idea that having a bounty is anything to do with being a criminal?"

Bounties will never work in a game where the wearer of the bounty suffers nothing when shot-up for the bounty.

In the real life bounty system, when the bounty hunter claims the bounty the target is either in chains or is in a box. Either way he has lost something.

Well, you have to do SOMETHING to deserve it.

wrong.

i placed a bounty on some one today just because i could, they hadn't done anything.

Bounties will never work in a game where the wearer of the bounty suffers nothing when shot-up for the bounty. Even podded the clone wakes up minus implants (big deal) and continues on the same course.

The current situation has people placing 100k bounties on everyone, rendering the overview useless when bounty-hunting.

In the real life bounty system, when the bounty hunter claims the bounty the target is either in chains or is in a box. Either way he has lost something.

Translating this into Eve consider a system where the wearer of the bounty loses 1SP per 1,000 isk of bounty on his head. That would make the bounty worth something to all concerned; wearer AND hunter.

Regaining SP after being podded for a few M isk bounty would be trivial. Recovering from being podded having 100's M isk bounty is another matter. For those toons with 100's B isk bounties? No change as those toons were never seen anyway.

Constraints.

If left as a free-for-all this system could be used to annihilate a toon by anyone with a fortune in isk to burn. When it comes to relatively new toons it wouldn't require a fortune, so there would need to be limits on when a bounty can be placed.

Options.

Restore the old limitations to placing a bounty. Concord won't allow a bounty on someone with a +ve sec status, as they won't recognise the potential victim as deserving of it. Apart from that: free-for-all.

Bounties can be placed only on someone on whom you have kill rights. There can be no argument you would be justified fully in placing the bounty. However that stops bounties being placed on someone who just raped your corporation, so is a harsh limitation.

Implementation.

In changeover to the new system the current plethora of bounties would need to be considered, with a view to zeroing bounties on toons that meet certain criteria. Probably usng the above criteria would work.

If someone has a bounty placed on him he is able to pay concord an amount of isk to reduce it, on an isk-for-isk basis, all the way to zero.

Practice.

You are protected from mailcious bounty-placing provided you remain within the constraints. If you are podded, with the bounty gone, you are again protected by it (sec status reset to 0 or kill rights reset?) until you make yourself vulnerable to the bounty system. This stops you from becoming helpless in the face of repeat bounty-placing.

If bounties are allowed on anyone with -ve sec status then having that at -10 tends to screw you unless you bring it up to 0.0+. Grinding status up while all the time being vulnerable to bounty-PvP may be too much to ask. Then again: you want to brag low sec status, then pay the price. It's a thought.

Harsh? Maybe, but bounties are still broken so any idea that can change this is worth punting.

So it works, then, seeing as how the target does suffer any time someone claims a bounty on him?

Same as in EVE, then.

Bounties will never work in a game where the wearer of the bounty suffers nothing when shot-up for the bounty. Even podded the clone wakes up minus implants (big deal) and continues on the same course.

The current situation has people placing 100k bounties on everyone, rendering the overview useless when bounty-hunting.

In the real life bounty system, when the bounty hunter claims the bounty the target is either in chains or is in a box. Either way he has lost something.

Translating this into Eve consider a system where the wearer of the bounty loses 1SP per 1,000 isk of bounty on his head. That would make the bounty worth something to all concerned; wearer AND hunter.

Regaining SP after being podded for a few M isk bounty would be trivial. Recovering from being podded having 100's M isk bounty is another matter. For those toons with 100's B isk bounties? No change as those toons were never seen anyway.

Constraints.

If left as a free-for-all this system could be used to annihilate a toon by anyone with a fortune in isk to burn. When it comes to relatively new toons it wouldn't require a fortune, so there would need to be limits on when a bounty can be placed.

Options.

Restore the old limitations to placing a bounty. Concord won't allow a bounty on someone with a +ve sec status, as they won't recognise the potential victim as deserving of it. Apart from that: free-for-all.

Bounties can be placed only on someone on whom you have kill rights. There can be no argument you would be justified fully in placing the bounty. However that stops bounties being placed on someone who just raped your corporation, so is a harsh limitation.

Implementation.

In changeover to the new system the current plethora of bounties would need to be considered, with a view to zeroing bounties on toons that meet certain criteria. Probably usng the above criteria would work.

If someone has a bounty placed on him he is able to pay concord an amount of isk to reduce it, on an isk-for-isk basis, all the way to zero.

Practice.

You are protected from mailcious bounty-placing provided you remain within the constraints. If you are podded, with the bounty gone, you are again protected by it (sec status reset to 0 or kill rights reset?) until you make yourself vulnerable to the bounty system. This stops you from becoming helpless in the face of repeat bounty-placing.

If bounties are allowed on anyone with -ve sec status then having that at -10 tends to screw you unless you bring it up to 0.0+. Grinding status up while all the time being vulnerable to bounty-PvP may be too much to ask. Then again: you want to brag low sec status, then pay the price. It's a thought.

Harsh? Maybe, but bounties are still broken so any idea that can change this is worth punting.

He was obviously messing with your mojo, or you would have picked someone else.

Since implants are no big deal, could I trouble you to contract me a few dozen +5 sets? I forgot to pick some up when I went to the store and now I'm all out.

That isn't suffering, as it's no deterrent.

Not the same

Smartarse one-liners do not a point make.

Smartarse one-liners do not a point make. Also, never wear anything you can't afford to lose. Even noobs know that one.

Bounties will never work in a game where the wearer of the bounty suffers nothing when shot-up for the bounty. Even podded the clone wakes up minus implants (big deal) and continues on the same course.

The current situation has people placing 100k bounties on everyone, rendering the overview useless when bounty-hunting.

In the real life bounty system, when the bounty hunter claims the bounty the target is either in chains or is in a box. Either way he has lost something.

Translating this into Eve consider a system where the wearer of the bounty loses 1SP per 1,000 isk of bounty on his head. That would make the bounty worth something to all concerned; wearer AND hunter.

Regaining SP after being podded for a few M isk bounty would be trivial. Recovering from being podded having 100's M isk bounty is another matter. For those toons with 100's B isk bounties? No change as those toons were never seen anyway.

Constraints.

If left as a free-for-all this system could be used to annihilate a toon by anyone with a fortune in isk to burn. When it comes to relatively new toons it wouldn't require a fortune, so there would need to be limits on when a bounty can be placed.

Options.

Restore the old limitations to placing a bounty. Concord won't allow a bounty on someone with a +ve sec status, as they won't recognise the potential victim as deserving of it. Apart from that: free-for-all.

Bounties can be placed only on someone on whom you have kill rights. There can be no argument you would be justified fully in placing the bounty. However that stops bounties being placed on someone who just raped your corporation, so is a harsh limitation.

Implementation.

In changeover to the new system the current plethora of bounties would need to be considered, with a view to zeroing bounties on toons that meet certain criteria. Probably usng the above criteria would work.

If someone has a bounty placed on him he is able to pay concord an amount of isk to reduce it, on an isk-for-isk basis, all the way to zero.

Practice.

You are protected from mailcious bounty-placing provided you remain within the constraints. If you are podded, with the bounty gone, you are again protected by it (sec status reset to 0 or kill rights reset?) until you make yourself vulnerable to the bounty system. This stops you from becoming helpless in the face of repeat bounty-placing.

If bounties are allowed on anyone with -ve sec status then having that at -10 tends to screw you unless you bring it up to 0.0+. Grinding status up while all the time being vulnerable to bounty-PvP may be too much to ask. Then again: you want to brag low sec status, then pay the price. It's a thought.

Harsh? Maybe, but bounties are still broken so any idea that can change this is worth punting.

You tried to say that gettin podded is "no big deal". If I got podded right now it would mean I had to replace ~600-700M worth of implants.

If losing ships and pods is so trivial, then I'd say that the punishment fits the cirme.

Losing your ship is nothing? Interesting. I suppose we could just do away with CONCORD then and make the whole game a free-fire zone since no-one really suffers from losing their ships.

How is losing something not the same thing as losing something?

Sure they do. Especially when they highlight a rather suspicious and unfounded claim that rather goes against the general view of things.

Smartarse one-liners do not a point make. Also, never wear anything you can't afford to lose. Even noobs know that one.

unlocks associated with those skills, namely the ability for a 'bounty hunter' to make a bountied person (with negative sec status) go suspect or limited engagement to him in HISEC

Again: don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Basic wisdom in Eve.

Losing 100,000 SP. Now THAT'S a big deal.

Again: don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Basic wisdom in Eve.

Losing 100,000 SP. Now THAT'S a big deal.

So it works, then, seeing as how the target does suffer any time someone claims a bounty on him?

Its a cumulative bounty. Which means it will subtract it from the total of the bounty until there is none left.

They should just make it simple. You have a 20 million bounty, if they kill you they get 20 million. Simple enough eh.

Dude, that wasn't just a one liner, those were clearly two lines, two sentences even ... o_O

"Dude", that was two one-liners, both of which were fail attempts at smartarse humour. Do keep up.

some time ago i have had 39 millions of bounty and BIG RED MARK "WANTED"
few low-sec roams and i have no bounty.

Nothing changed for me.

Except the obvious fact that you lost your ship.

People kill people in real life too, even if they don't have bounties. If you have one, that only makes people want to kill you more.