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Mikhael Taron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.09 12:37:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mikhael Taron wrote:That isn't suffering, as it's no deterrent. Losing your ship is nothing? Interesting. I suppose we could just do away with CONCORD then and make the whole game a free-fire zone since no-one really suffers from losing their ships. How is losing something not the same thing as losing something? Quote:Smartarse one-liners do not a point make. Sure they do. Especially when they highlight a rather suspicious and unfounded claim that rather goes against the general view of things.
Loss of ship in no way deters people in this game, else there would be no one playing. Bounties don't give other players kill rights, therefore they change nothing in gameplay. I'm surprised you don't know this.
Your trolling skills need improving.
You can fool some of the people all of the time.
You can fool all of the people some of the time.
You can make a fool out of yourself anytime.
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Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
78
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Posted - 2013.04.09 13:07:00 -
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Mikhael Taron wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Since implants are no big deal, could I trouble you to contract me a few dozen +5 sets? I forgot to pick some up when I went to the store and now I'm all out.
Smartarse one-liners do not a point make. Also, never wear anything you can't afford to lose. Even noobs know that one.
Dude, that wasn't just a one liner, those were clearly two lines, two sentences even ... o_O
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Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
78
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Posted - 2013.04.09 13:17:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: unlocks associated with those skills, namely the ability for a 'bounty hunter' to make a bountied person (with negative sec status) go suspect or limited engagement to him in HISEC
No. if the sec status is negative enough You can attak him/her/it anyway.
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Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
78
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Posted - 2013.04.09 13:22:00 -
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Mikhael Taron wrote:Malcanis wrote:Mikhael Taron wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Since implants are no big deal, could I trouble you to contract me a few dozen +5 sets? I forgot to pick some up when I went to the store and now I'm all out.
Smartarse one-liners do not a point make. Also, never wear anything you can't afford to lose. Even noobs know that one. You tried to say that gettin podded is "no big deal". If I got podded right now it would mean I had to replace ~600-700M worth of implants. If losing ships and pods is so trivial, then I'd say that the punishment fits the cirme. Again: don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Basic wisdom in Eve. Losing 100,000 SP. Now THAT'S a big deal.
Big deal or no, the punishement in his case would mutlate into real life since time cannot be replaced. It is therefore not desirable to implement such a half arsed feature.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
8586
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Posted - 2013.04.09 14:15:00 -
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Mikhael Taron wrote:Malcanis wrote:Mikhael Taron wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Since implants are no big deal, could I trouble you to contract me a few dozen +5 sets? I forgot to pick some up when I went to the store and now I'm all out.
Smartarse one-liners do not a point make. Also, never wear anything you can't afford to lose. Even noobs know that one. You tried to say that gettin podded is "no big deal". If I got podded right now it would mean I had to replace ~600-700M worth of implants. If losing ships and pods is so trivial, then I'd say that the punishment fits the cirme. Again: don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Basic wisdom in Eve. Losing 100,000 SP. Now THAT'S a big deal.
Then the punishment would be disproportionate to the crime.
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Colonel Xaven
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
266
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Posted - 2013.04.09 15:04:00 -
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March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
615
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Posted - 2013.04.09 15:38:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mikhael Taron wrote:Bounties will never work in a game where the wearer of the bounty suffers nothing when shot-up for the bounty. So it works, then, seeing as how the target does suffer any time someone claims a bounty on him?
some time ago i have had 39 millions of bounty and BIG RED MARK "WANTED"
few low-sec roams and i have no bounty.
Nothing changed for me.
When you get killed it doesn't matter if you have bounty or not - you are getting killed anyway. No one will stop firing if you have no bounty.
When you kill someone his bounty is just pretty bonus to killmail. You get killmail + bounty? Great. You got killmail without bounty? Great.
So from point of normal pvp bounty adds nothing. It can't be main source of ISK: 20% of killed ship is too small to compensate your losses.
High-sec
i spend like 2 or 3 months in high-sec with my bounty. Nothing happened. No one decided to meet CONCORD and gift me killrights to collect this bounty. So from high-sec pilot position bounty added nothing to my Eve life.
Putting bounty on someone: why? I still haven't one reason to spend a bit of my ISK (and i'm space rich) to put bounty on someone.
So from my point of view: bounty system is like "sugar" on top of my pvp life. It adds a little bonuses and that's all.
If this is supposed result of this BIG SYSTEM then i'm ok with it.
If this system is supposed to be considered by people - then it failed from start. |
Max Crysis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.04.10 04:13:00 -
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They should just make it simple. You have a 20 million bounty, if they kill you they get 20 million. Simple enough eh. |
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
21
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Posted - 2013.04.10 04:30:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Ralinastrife wrote:Propelled wrote:I'm not sure what you're talking about. If the kill is worth 10m, the payout is 2m. In order to get the whole 20m bounty, 100m would need to be destroyed. oh....LOL..so in other words if i place a bounty for 10mil and lets say the person uses a cheap ship and the total kill was like 1 mil. then the person that killed would get like 200k.. would i get the 9 mil back.. Its a cumulative bounty. Which means it will subtract it from the total of the bounty until there is none left.
Indeed. Though I could do without the eve-mail spam when the numpty I put a bounty on gets shot up in his rookie ship 17 times in a row |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1503
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Posted - 2013.04.10 05:52:00 -
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Max Crysis wrote:They should just make it simple. You have a 20 million bounty, if they kill you they get 20 million. Simple enough eh.
What if I kill myself with an alt? Always think about how you can game a system before suggesting changes, you'll find it's rarely "simple enough".
The bounty system was changed in an effort to prevent gaming the system and making bounties more meaningful, at least for those doing the killing.
Professional bad guys were unfortunately not available so instead they sent me. |
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Mikhael Taron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2013.04.11 08:49:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Mikhael Taron wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Since implants are no big deal, could I trouble you to contract me a few dozen +5 sets? I forgot to pick some up when I went to the store and now I'm all out.
Smartarse one-liners do not a point make. Also, never wear anything you can't afford to lose. Even noobs know that one. Dude, that wasn't just a one liner, those were clearly two lines, two sentences even ... o_O
"Dude", that was two one-liners, both of which were fail attempts at smartarse humour. Do keep up.
You can fool some of the people all of the time.
You can fool all of the people some of the time.
You can make a fool out of yourself anytime.
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Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
81
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Posted - 2013.04.11 09:16:00 -
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Mikhael Taron wrote:Debora Tsung wrote:Mikhael Taron wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Since implants are no big deal, could I trouble you to contract me a few dozen +5 sets? I forgot to pick some up when I went to the store and now I'm all out.
Smartarse one-liners do not a point make. Also, never wear anything you can't afford to lose. Even noobs know that one. Dude, that wasn't just a one liner, those were clearly two lines, two sentences even ... o_O "Dude", that was two one-liners, both of which were fail attempts at smartarse humour. Do keep up.
True, but unlike You, he was right. 
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Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
543
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Posted - 2013.04.11 09:53:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Tippia wrote:Mikhael Taron wrote:Bounties will never work in a game where the wearer of the bounty suffers nothing when shot-up for the bounty. So it works, then, seeing as how the target does suffer any time someone claims a bounty on him? some time ago i have had 39 millions of bounty and BIG RED MARK "WANTED" few low-sec roams and i have no bounty. Nothing changed for me.
Except the obvious fact that you lost your ship.
People kill people in real life too, even if they don't have bounties. If you have one, that only makes people want to kill you more. |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
618
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Posted - 2013.04.11 09:59:00 -
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Hannott Thanos wrote:March rabbit wrote:Tippia wrote:Mikhael Taron wrote:Bounties will never work in a game where the wearer of the bounty suffers nothing when shot-up for the bounty. So it works, then, seeing as how the target does suffer any time someone claims a bounty on him? some time ago i have had 39 millions of bounty and BIG RED MARK "WANTED" few low-sec roams and i have no bounty. Nothing changed for me. Except the obvious fact that you lost your ship.
i lost 2 or 3 ships before bounty is empty.
And i lost a couple after
As i said: nothing has changed for me
Hannott Thanos wrote:
People kill people in real life too, even if they don't have bounties. If you have one, that only makes people want to kill you more.
"want" - is a very personal. I can't say if someone wants to kill me or not. Either he tries or not. And looking at my Eve life i can't say that i feel the difference between "with bounty" and "without" |
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