I'm not wrong because they are not necessarily criminals. You can't shoot someone with a bounty with CONCORD nearby if CONCORD doesn't consider them criminals. Bounty =/= Criminal. Do you understand the semantic difference between a bounty and a hit?

Your point? Because that person still does not automatically become a criminal.

Which, again, I have no problem with. But it's still not a bounty, it's a hit.

What seems to be eluding you is the difference between, "I don't like you" and "You're a criminal."

Probably not, given that I had a 100k bounty my first day in EVE, and not because I asked a question, but because I answered one.

Well, you want the sandbox your way and your way just happens to be the way it's currently played, so how are you any different? All I'm saying is that in a game that does have legalities (loose as they are, I mean really, how can CONCORD possibly know if I loot someone else's container?) that a "bounty" system of placing a price on a character for any reason doesn't make sense.

Where do people get this idea that a bounty is anything to do with being a criminal? Criminals put out bounties (or contracts) on people in the real world all the time, probably more than LEOs do.

If I took your point of view, then it must be allowed to self-destruct and claim 20% of one's own bounty... which is not allowed.

If I want corp members to kill each other over a bounty can I place individual bounties on the members. Here it makes sense, because these are individually placed bounties.

I want corporation bounties to be different from individual player-bound bounties so that corporation members cannot get any ISKs from it. Some corporations then hold little PvP matches, where they destroy their own assets purposely, but to train their pilots. I do not want a corporation bounty to serve here as a payment for such events.

Or imagine a high corporation bounty when a new player starts awoxing it. It would play right into the awoxer's hands.

You say "Criminals put out bounties on people" and then you ask "Where do people get this idea that a bounty is anything to do with being a criminal?" ...

Are you joking or do you seriously not see the connection?

No, You cannot and certainly not by my point of view claim bounties placed on yourself.

Right, but I can use an alt.

Now explain why a corporation can claim their own bounty. And do not say because of awoxing. If I want to awox myself then I should have the same right as anybody else no matter if I use an alt or through self-destruct.

I call it a paradox, but I am curious how you will explain it.

Which is completely and utterly useless as You still loose more than You gain. It'd be cheaper just to transfer the money from one alt to another.

regarding alts: everyone could be everyones alt, being in the same corp is not a valid indicator.

So why is one not allowed to directly cash in on one's own bounty? Because it is meant to make abuse difficult!

And why is it allowed for corporations to cash in on themselves? Because CCP did not think it through and so it is being abused.

Conclusion: I cannot recommend anyone to use corporation or alliance bounties for this reason - do not use them. Instead, place individual bounties on only a few members and hope it does not encourage abuse as much as corporation/alliance bounties do.

If I wanted to put ISKs into the pockets of those players who I want to place a bounty on then there is already an easier way.

I really do not get Your point.

You say "Criminals put out bounties on people" and then you ask "Where do people get this idea that a bounty is anything to do with being a criminal?" ...

Are you joking or do you seriously not see the connection?

Apologies: I should have been more precise and said "Where do people get this idea that having a bounty is anything to do with being a criminal?"

Bounties will never work in a game where the wearer of the bounty suffers nothing when shot-up for the bounty.

In the real life bounty system, when the bounty hunter claims the bounty the target is either in chains or is in a box. Either way he has lost something.

Well, you have to do SOMETHING to deserve it.

wrong.

i placed a bounty on some one today just because i could, they hadn't done anything.

Bounties will never work in a game where the wearer of the bounty suffers nothing when shot-up for the bounty. Even podded the clone wakes up minus implants (big deal) and continues on the same course.

The current situation has people placing 100k bounties on everyone, rendering the overview useless when bounty-hunting.

In the real life bounty system, when the bounty hunter claims the bounty the target is either in chains or is in a box. Either way he has lost something.

Translating this into Eve consider a system where the wearer of the bounty loses 1SP per 1,000 isk of bounty on his head. That would make the bounty worth something to all concerned; wearer AND hunter.

Regaining SP after being podded for a few M isk bounty would be trivial. Recovering from being podded having 100's M isk bounty is another matter. For those toons with 100's B isk bounties? No change as those toons were never seen anyway.

Constraints.

If left as a free-for-all this system could be used to annihilate a toon by anyone with a fortune in isk to burn. When it comes to relatively new toons it wouldn't require a fortune, so there would need to be limits on when a bounty can be placed.

Options.

Restore the old limitations to placing a bounty. Concord won't allow a bounty on someone with a +ve sec status, as they won't recognise the potential victim as deserving of it. Apart from that: free-for-all.

Bounties can be placed only on someone on whom you have kill rights. There can be no argument you would be justified fully in placing the bounty. However that stops bounties being placed on someone who just raped your corporation, so is a harsh limitation.

Implementation.

In changeover to the new system the current plethora of bounties would need to be considered, with a view to zeroing bounties on toons that meet certain criteria. Probably usng the above criteria would work.

If someone has a bounty placed on him he is able to pay concord an amount of isk to reduce it, on an isk-for-isk basis, all the way to zero.

Practice.

You are protected from mailcious bounty-placing provided you remain within the constraints. If you are podded, with the bounty gone, you are again protected by it (sec status reset to 0 or kill rights reset?) until you make yourself vulnerable to the bounty system. This stops you from becoming helpless in the face of repeat bounty-placing.

If bounties are allowed on anyone with -ve sec status then having that at -10 tends to screw you unless you bring it up to 0.0+. Grinding status up while all the time being vulnerable to bounty-PvP may be too much to ask. Then again: you want to brag low sec status, then pay the price. It's a thought.

Harsh? Maybe, but bounties are still broken so any idea that can change this is worth punting.

So it works, then, seeing as how the target does suffer any time someone claims a bounty on him?

Same as in EVE, then.

Bounties will never work in a game where the wearer of the bounty suffers nothing when shot-up for the bounty. Even podded the clone wakes up minus implants (big deal) and continues on the same course.

The current situation has people placing 100k bounties on everyone, rendering the overview useless when bounty-hunting.

In the real life bounty system, when the bounty hunter claims the bounty the target is either in chains or is in a box. Either way he has lost something.

Translating this into Eve consider a system where the wearer of the bounty loses 1SP per 1,000 isk of bounty on his head. That would make the bounty worth something to all concerned; wearer AND hunter.

Regaining SP after being podded for a few M isk bounty would be trivial. Recovering from being podded having 100's M isk bounty is another matter. For those toons with 100's B isk bounties? No change as those toons were never seen anyway.

Constraints.

If left as a free-for-all this system could be used to annihilate a toon by anyone with a fortune in isk to burn. When it comes to relatively new toons it wouldn't require a fortune, so there would need to be limits on when a bounty can be placed.

Options.

Restore the old limitations to placing a bounty. Concord won't allow a bounty on someone with a +ve sec status, as they won't recognise the potential victim as deserving of it. Apart from that: free-for-all.

Bounties can be placed only on someone on whom you have kill rights. There can be no argument you would be justified fully in placing the bounty. However that stops bounties being placed on someone who just raped your corporation, so is a harsh limitation.

Implementation.

In changeover to the new system the current plethora of bounties would need to be considered, with a view to zeroing bounties on toons that meet certain criteria. Probably usng the above criteria would work.

If someone has a bounty placed on him he is able to pay concord an amount of isk to reduce it, on an isk-for-isk basis, all the way to zero.

Practice.

You are protected from mailcious bounty-placing provided you remain within the constraints. If you are podded, with the bounty gone, you are again protected by it (sec status reset to 0 or kill rights reset?) until you make yourself vulnerable to the bounty system. This stops you from becoming helpless in the face of repeat bounty-placing.

If bounties are allowed on anyone with -ve sec status then having that at -10 tends to screw you unless you bring it up to 0.0+. Grinding status up while all the time being vulnerable to bounty-PvP may be too much to ask. Then again: you want to brag low sec status, then pay the price. It's a thought.

Harsh? Maybe, but bounties are still broken so any idea that can change this is worth punting.

He was obviously messing with your mojo, or you would have picked someone else.

Since implants are no big deal, could I trouble you to contract me a few dozen +5 sets? I forgot to pick some up when I went to the store and now I'm all out.

That isn't suffering, as it's no deterrent.

Not the same

Smartarse one-liners do not a point make.

Smartarse one-liners do not a point make. Also, never wear anything you can't afford to lose. Even noobs know that one.

Bounties will never work in a game where the wearer of the bounty suffers nothing when shot-up for the bounty. Even podded the clone wakes up minus implants (big deal) and continues on the same course.

The current situation has people placing 100k bounties on everyone, rendering the overview useless when bounty-hunting.

In the real life bounty system, when the bounty hunter claims the bounty the target is either in chains or is in a box. Either way he has lost something.

Translating this into Eve consider a system where the wearer of the bounty loses 1SP per 1,000 isk of bounty on his head. That would make the bounty worth something to all concerned; wearer AND hunter.

Regaining SP after being podded for a few M isk bounty would be trivial. Recovering from being podded having 100's M isk bounty is another matter. For those toons with 100's B isk bounties? No change as those toons were never seen anyway.

Constraints.

If left as a free-for-all this system could be used to annihilate a toon by anyone with a fortune in isk to burn. When it comes to relatively new toons it wouldn't require a fortune, so there would need to be limits on when a bounty can be placed.

Options.

Restore the old limitations to placing a bounty. Concord won't allow a bounty on someone with a +ve sec status, as they won't recognise the potential victim as deserving of it. Apart from that: free-for-all.

Bounties can be placed only on someone on whom you have kill rights. There can be no argument you would be justified fully in placing the bounty. However that stops bounties being placed on someone who just raped your corporation, so is a harsh limitation.

Implementation.

In changeover to the new system the current plethora of bounties would need to be considered, with a view to zeroing bounties on toons that meet certain criteria. Probably usng the above criteria would work.

If someone has a bounty placed on him he is able to pay concord an amount of isk to reduce it, on an isk-for-isk basis, all the way to zero.

Practice.

You are protected from mailcious bounty-placing provided you remain within the constraints. If you are podded, with the bounty gone, you are again protected by it (sec status reset to 0 or kill rights reset?) until you make yourself vulnerable to the bounty system. This stops you from becoming helpless in the face of repeat bounty-placing.

If bounties are allowed on anyone with -ve sec status then having that at -10 tends to screw you unless you bring it up to 0.0+. Grinding status up while all the time being vulnerable to bounty-PvP may be too much to ask. Then again: you want to brag low sec status, then pay the price. It's a thought.

Harsh? Maybe, but bounties are still broken so any idea that can change this is worth punting.

You tried to say that gettin podded is "no big deal". If I got podded right now it would mean I had to replace ~600-700M worth of implants.

If losing ships and pods is so trivial, then I'd say that the punishment fits the cirme.