Logs in the Notifications and Log window are not cleared anymore on session change, so you can try to figure out what the hell happened when you got podded without having to find the log file for the fight

Second!

Drag and drop in fleets is a great change, and also:



Team PE are heroes as always.

I hope you like these changes

One thing about this devblog makes me sad My devblog titlemaster, CCP RedDawn, came with a GREAT title for this blog: "Fleet, you fools!", but it had to be changed to be more descriptive

I hope you like these changes

One thing about this devblog makes me sad
My devblog titlemaster, CCP RedDawn, came with a GREAT title for this blog: "Fleet, you fools!", but it had to be changed to be more descriptive

GÇóWhen you drag a fitting to the Quickbar tab in the market, the ship itself is now included in the folder that is created in the Quickbar and contains all the fitted items

The windows to edit corporation and alliance details are no longer modal, which means you can add links (such as Kill Reports, websites, corporation recruitment ads) to their descriptions.

Awesome! One question though:

Does the fleet membership view still refresh entirely (and as a result, reset it's scroll position) when someone leaves or joins the fleet? It gets really annoying have to constantly re-scroll to the part you want to see.

While you are working on the fleet interface, are there any plans to make the whole hierarchy tree selectable and therefore copyable into external applications? Currently you can only copy a single line at a time unlike directional scan and various other windows.

Also do you plan on fixing the forever bug of wing commanders not receiving the boosts from the FC position. (only passes them, doesn't get them himself)

I realize the former is probably easier to fix then the latter.

While you are working on the fleet interface, are there any plans to make the whole hierarchy tree selectable and therefore copyable into external applications? Currently you can only copy a single line at a time unlike directional scan and various other windows.

Also do you plan on fixing the forever bug of wing commanders not receiving the boosts from the FC position. (only passes them, doesn't get them himself)

I realize the former is probably easier to fix then the latter.

I love this !

I'm having deja vu, wasn't something about this already devblogged recently??

Am I from the future?

Logs in the Notifications and Log window are not cleared anymore on session change, so you can try to figure out what the hell happened when you got podded without having to find the log file for the fight

Note that tonight is the last night you'll get the chance to use that five deep drop down menu so fleet up and make the most of it!

Lies... I didn't remove it

Similar to the green highlight for youself in fleet could you help Wing and fleet commanders identify those individuals in the wing/fleet that have leadership 5 - say highlight them in blue. This would really help in full fleets where a squad has 10 members but nobody has taken the squad commander position. You could then put someone into command immediately rather than search through the fleet composition for the squad member with the right skill.

I want to make sure I understand...
If I want to replace a squad commander, its a two move process? First remove the old commander, then drop in the new one? I cannot drop the new one in the squad commander position and have the old one pop out?

And I like the "save fleet setup" idea. Be able to save the fleet with a name, advert, who can join, number of wings and squads, their names, voice options, and if free move is on. Then be able to select: Create "Vincent's sleeper killing fleet" and its all there.

And I actually like the "save fleet setup" idea

You are not supposed to know other characters' skills; unless you get their explicit approval, such as by them giving you an EVE API key.

You are not supposed to know other characters' skills; unless you get their explicit approval, such as by them giving you an EVE API key.

I think it would be super cool if it was possible to mass-move members, for example to select and drag all the logistic pilots in the fleet composition window and drop them in a squad, but that improvement will have to wait for now.

dear CCP karkur,

I love you. please father my children.

Thanks,
Dr Ogres

So my question is will the fleet window freeze when you are dragging people? Or otherwise prevent a situation where third party actions in the fleet (such as joining it, or moving squads) won't move the list from under you and end up dropping a random person into wing command etc.

For example, if you have Wing 1 + 2 and you're trying to drop someone into Squad commander of Wing 2, but someone in Wing 1 jumps into a squad, everything in the list moves down one, and your cursor is now over the Wing commander position instead.

. Mind you, the drag/drop thing if it works from the fleet composition window for individuals should fix most of the issue as you can sort by skill levels.

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If you do this, I will be happy forever. Literally. Though then again, these changes are already going to make me happy forever. Literally.

Another thing that would make me super happy is if the fleet composition window showed which squad/wing a member is in. Even better would be a "jump to" option that would move the window to that member and highlight them (as if you had selected them).

There is an exception to this it seems. The Fleet Composition window shows the Leadership/Wing Command/Fleet Command levels for any subordinates in your fleet (squad commander can see squad, wing commander wing, Boss/Fleet Commander everyone). As such, Implementing the change suggested wouldn't be adding any new information previously unobtainable; just makes it slightly easier to see. Mind you, the drag/drop thing if it works from the fleet composition window for individuals should fix most of the issue as you can sort by skill levels.

You are not supposed to know other characters' skills; unless you get their explicit approval, such as by them giving you an EVE API key.

That what window? Seriously, I didn't know this window existed and it goes against some of the basic principles of "fog of war" and privacy we follow Ah, well, one always learns something new every day. Thanks for the correction.

That what window? Seriously, I didn't know this window existed and it goes against some of the basic general principles of "fog of war" and privacy we follow Ah, well, one always learns something new every day. Thanks for the correction.

That what window? Seriously, I didn't know this window existed and it goes against some of the basic general principles of "fog of war" and privacy we follow Ah, well, one always learns something new every day. Thanks for the correction.

You are in general not supposed to know other characters' skills; unless you get their explicit approval, such as by them giving you an EVE API key.

Edit: Correction regarding the fleet composition window here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2632802#post2632802

It doesn't go against privacy or fog of war principles. A player should give up a certain amount of privacy by joining a fleet, and in this case the loss isn't substantial and is fully voluntary. If a player doesn't want the fleet boss to know what he is flying, he should not be in fleet in the first place.

There's an exception to this in making your certificates public (doesn't tell exact skills but implys the minimums for the cert). Could that functionality be based off of public leadership certificates?

Part of privacy is knowing when you give up privacy and what you give away.

Part of privacy is knowing when you give up privacy and what you give away.

Please don't remove it!.

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Logs in the Notifications and Log window are not cleared anymore on session change, so you can try to figure out what the hell happened when you got podded without having to find the log file for the fight

I want to do the mass move thingy, but it's going to be a lot more work, so we'll see what happens

Well, what is gonna happen when you mass-drag characters as per tomorrows patch?
Will the fleet window simply reject it, like the Search in People&Places?

I noticed, right now, you can multi-drag people into formatted text fields as links, into chat channels to invite them and into EveMail address fields.

This will for example allow you to easily see how damaged your weapons and crystals are while docked

Hoolllyyy mother of... is this a joke or something?

it will just take the first character in the list and add him/her

so... did you fix error with wing commander not getting bonuses from fleet commander?

That hasn't been fixed in 1.1.

Any ETA when it will be fixed, its been broken for 3 months or more now

but only the crystals/modules you have currently fitted

but only the crystals/modules you have currently fitted

reduces the crystal management pain by 50%, but it still hurts!

Hoolllyyy mother of... is this a joke? If it's true, it's woth a devblog for itself!!!11

Note that tonight is the last night you'll get the chance to use that five-deep drop-down menu so fleet up and make the most of it!

that was actually possible before... by doing show info on the crystal, then you would have the damage in the attributes tab

Fleet UI improvements are a plus.

On a related note - there's an easy thing to improve in the Fleet Composition window - it's already a grid, so could it be enabled to "select all"?

So I can do ctrl-a and then copy everything with a single ctrl-c. I can already copy it row by row, but that's not easy when the fleet gets bigger.

The Fleet Composition window doesn't have many uses apart from telling who, where and in what, and that would make life a bit easier.

Are there other efforts being done to free us of other drop down menu madness?

Don't select anything and do ctrl+c, should copy all the rows

I wonder what happens if you try to drag a DUST person into wing command.

good point... I wonder about that too
will check it out tomorrow, and fix if needed

that was actually possible before... by doing show info on the crystal, then you would have the damage in the attributes tab

\o/ CCP karkur likes it! Teh Impliment pretty please?

Oh, and quoting for emphasis!

Apart from those who have a certain set of standard fleets, theres also those that try to have an ogoing fleet going all the time (e.g. Wormhole corps) - and as people log off and on during the day, and FCs change, it's a lot of redundant clickety clickety.

I'm not reading anywhere that I'll be able to move myself in fleet even when just a regular squad member, which is allowed via menus. An oversight maybe?

when free move is on, anyone can move themselves in any squad, but cannot appoint themself as Wing or Fleet Commander (unless the rules listed above allow them that)

also think that if your going to implement drag and drop, then you should make hierarchy mode default

thank you for a great game

Not sure if it has been mentioned,
But in the Fleet window could it not be possible for the Fleet Boss, Fleet commander and wing commander not be able to view if fleet bonuses are being passed down through there subordinates ie as a Fleet commander/Fleet boss having a little green tick or red cross next to Wing and squad commander positions, and wing commanders see icons next to there squad commanders to help understand if the fleet is in correctly formed to allow the flow of fleet bonuses.

Ie a squad commander not with the leadership skills to scratch to allow fleet bonus or if they are docked or if they are out of system would show a red cross that indicates there is a problem with fleet disapline with that squad.

I know individual members see if they are recieving bonuses but i think it would be advantagious if the chain of command can see the levels below them to ensure proper distribution of bonus

Agreed, hierarchy mode default would make things easier, especially for newer players that don't really understand chain of command due to the current default flat mode.

good point... I wonder about that too
will check it out tomorrow, and fix if needed

Patch notes for EVE Online: Retribution 1.1.1
It is no longer possible to attempt to invite a DUST 514 Mercenaries to an EVE Online fleet by dragging their portrait into an open fleet

eheheheh

True... I didn't mention it in the blog but the hierarchy view is now the default

Can flat mode also be enabled in the fleet window?
As nice as hoerarchy view and drag&drop is, it consumes quite a bit more space now.

Yes... click the menu icon in the top left corner and select "view as flat list" in the menu