So we have all learned a lesson today.

Null does indeed suck for industry, Some people who scream for numbers don't like it when people post said numbers, crying is being misused and WI. are not the worst posters in EVE.

According to these folks if one section has something more than another that is unbalanced and must be corrected.

Thanks.

Nobody is telling you how to play the game. Nobody.
Quit being a crybaby.

There is no moon goo in high sec.

The numbers are in. There must be something wrong. Please balance this CCP. According to these folks if one section has something more than another that is unbalanced and must be corrected.

Thanks.

Bitter about being wrong I see. Don't worry, the tantrum will pass much like your obsession with us ganking bloated freighters.

There is so much ISK pouring out of null sec this argument really is rather silly.

There is no moon goo in high sec.

The numbers are in. There must be something wrong. Please balance this CCP. According to these folks if one section has something more than another that is unbalanced and must be corrected.

Hilarious.

That is EXACTLY the argument I was responding to. The whole premise of his argument is the fact high has more slots then null there fore that makes things "unblalanced"

Dropping a claim of a straw man makes you look rather silly and discredits the original argument eve more.

You can't moon mine in wormhole space either, yet I don't see anybody complaining about that.

No, you have it incomplete. The full argument, which wasn't posted because we get tired of repeating it for every badposter like you, is that because we have to actually work for our industrial capability and because we're at risk of losing it it should be at the VERY least as good as it is in highsec where you get a lot more of it, for free, instantly, and at zero risk.

Null Sec players want it all. NAO. ALL YOUR STUFFS ARE BELONG TO US!!

Its a good thing that the developers understand this balance better than the mouth breathers crying on the forums

Well then you should have more of everything then, right? According to this logic. I cant believe you clowns dont see how easily your arguments fall apart.

crying on the forums everyday about miners and high sec.

Im ok with not having moon mining in high sec because I understand that its part of the balance that CCP has in place in Eve.

Null Sec players want it all. NAO. ALL YOUR STUFFS ARE BELONG TO US!!

You all cant see the forest for the trees. Its a good thing that the developers understand this balance better than the mouth breathers crying on the forums everyday about miners and high sec.

Repeating a straw man doesn't make it true, you know GÇö it just makes you more wrong.

Yes it is. That's why they are on board with improving null industry, in spite of highseccers crying foul for no reason.

What null sec industry needs is the ability to anchor a POS near any moon. It would also be great if they could do research, invention, and somehow extract goodies from those nearby moons. Maybe run reactions? Or if they could somehow produce the most expensive ships in the game...that would be a bonus.

Null sec also needs a game mechanic introduced where you could claim sovereignty over systems, even entire constellations. But then you'd need to be able to form an alliance with other players and corporations to protect it all. I suppose eventually they might run out of industry slots, so they would need a way to go to war with other alliances so they could invade their systems in order to expand, control more space, and have more industry.

Ya. That would all be very cool. If only...

Which is why they have said that they are going to buff null sec industry...

2. Average payout/ tick of a null sec forsaken hub runner.
3. Average payout/tick of a high sec L4 mission runner.
4. Average payout of high sec incursion runner.

I personally don't have any problem with allowing moon mining in hi-sec. Static, exposed assets that have to be owned by a player corp are exactly what hi-sec needs more of IMO.

What null sec industry needs is the ability to anchor a POS near any moon. It would also be great if they could do research, invention, and somehow extract goodies from those nearby moons. Maybe run reactions? Or if they could somehow produce the most expensive ships in the game...that would be a bonus.

Null sec also needs a game mechanic introduced where you could claim sovereignty over systems, even entire constellations. But then you'd need to be able to form an alliance with other players and corporations to protect it all. I suppose eventually they might run out of industry slots, so they would need a way to go to war with other alliances so they could invade their systems in order to expand, control more space, and have more industry.

Ya. That would all be very cool. If only...

This is just asking for information that folks like you can use to say "see, you can make money in null".

The problem is that "averages" (which also might not turn out how you think lol) don't tell the full story even if you have the information.

This is just asking for information that folks like you can use to say "see, you can make money in null".

The problem is that "averages" (which also might not turn out how you think lol) don't tell the full story even if you have the information.

"Averages" don't take into account the fact that their are a total of THREE respawning forsaken hubs max in any upgraded system, meaning those forsaken hubs can support steady isk making activity of exactly TWO players, as opposed to the INFINITE number of players a single high sec agent can support.

OR the fact that there are many more agents in a single high sec constellation than their are upgraded null sec systems in an entire region (in the same way single null sec systems can have more indy slots than whole null sec regions).

OR the fact that one cloaky ship with an active pilot and a covert cyno can shut down an upgraded system where as nothing short of the server going down or an incursion popping up can shut down Motsu lol.

etc etc. I recently took my tengu alt gu out of null sec an put him in high sec (in the same tengu) scanning down 4/10s and making fat loots without even having to glance at local as opposed to doing yet another fleet staging point escalation path that takes me though 15 null sec systems only to give me ....nothing, after dodging numerous reds and neuts....

I understand you high sec types trying to safeguard your self interest, but the good of the game is whats important here. The same way you should not be forced by game mechanics or circumstance to go to null, i shouldn't be forced OUT of null because High Sec is more profitable (over time) and easy.

So can we, in much less time than thatGǪ it's not like it's hard.

Anyway, here you go. Cough up the dough!

Fun facts: there are three stations in the game that have the wrong services for where and what they are. One is N-FKXV V-12 - Jovian Directorate Academy, which has highsec manufacturing slots in spite of being in null (but then, it's a dev station so it makes sense). The two others are Kor-Azor Prime V-1 - Ishukone Corporation Factory and Kinakka III - Lai Dai Corporation Factory, which have non-station-based invention in spite of being stations.

Its not a strawman.

Its pretty obvious satire.

Industry in null is tied into the greater balance of the economy. You have to understand this.

So we have all learned a lesson today.

Null does indeed suck for industry, Some people who scream for numbers don't like it when people post said numbers, crying is being misused and WI. are not the worst posters in EVE.

Any chance you could add a "Region" column to that list? It would make it much more useful.