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Vince Snetterton 256	Posted - 2013.03.07 07:04:00 - [1] - Quote The "null sec poor, high sec rich, nerf high sec" forum wars are heating up again, and numerous CSM candidates are running on that platform. CCP, why can't you release economic data that supports, or refutes, these positions? Diogaras, before he quit in June, was tweeting the results of SQL requests on a daily basis. He proved how easy it was. Since then, nothing of value that can be used on a comparative basis of sector by sector income breakdowns. Why? The devs themselves posted that they all got a days SQL training a few months ago. I am not saying that every dev should starting pulling up data, but you could have one dev pull out data for a day and post it, and the various parties then could use it to hammer away at each other with FACTS, not propaganda, suppositions, and lies. Considering we are anticipating a landslide null sec CSM, many who have publicly stated they are bent on hammering high sec, it would be nice to see some actual data that supports or refutes their claims. It would also severely reduce the workload of the ISD and they would not have umpteen threads starting up every day about this the economic class warfare. So I ask again, why can't you release this data?
Stan'din Incursion Squad Punkz 'n Monkeys 9	Posted - 2013.03.07 07:10:00 - [2] - Quote Vince Snetterton wrote: The "null sec poor, high sec rich, nerf high sec" forum wars are heating up again, and numerous CSM candidates are running on that platform. CCP, why can't you release economic data that supports, or refutes, these positions? Diogaras, before he quit in June, was tweeting the results of SQL requests on a daily basis. He proved how easy it was. Since then, nothing of value that can be used on a comparative basis of sector by sector income breakdowns. Why? The devs themselves posted that they all got a days SQL training a few months ago. I am not saying that every dev should starting pulling up data, but you could have one dev pull out data for a day and post it, and the various parties then could use it to hammer away at each other with FACTS, not propaganda, suppositions, and lies. Considering we are anticipating a landslide null sec CSM, many who have publicly stated they are bent on hammering high sec, it would be nice to see some actual data that supports or refutes their claims. It would also severely reduce the workload of the ISD and they would not have umpteen threads starting up every day about this the economic class warfare. So I ask again, why can't you release this data? CCP is never going to hammer Highsec into the ground, thats where new players are. That is there first experience into EVE why make that bad for them ? Sure Null Contains a lot if not a high percentage of the Core players, but from a Buisness point of View it makes no sense too make High bad Null great. No matter the bitching the whining and the Flexing It's unlikely to happen i think. But i support the idea of some offical figures being released .
Vince Snetterton 258	Posted - 2013.03.07 14:32:00 - [3] - Quote Stan'din wrote: Vince Snetterton wrote: The "null sec poor, high sec rich, nerf high sec" forum wars are heating up again, and numerous CSM candidates are running on that platform. CCP, why can't you release economic data that supports, or refutes, these positions? Diogaras, before he quit in June, was tweeting the results of SQL requests on a daily basis. He proved how easy it was. Since then, nothing of value that can be used on a comparative basis of sector by sector income breakdowns. Why? The devs themselves posted that they all got a days SQL training a few months ago. I am not saying that every dev should starting pulling up data, but you could have one dev pull out data for a day and post it, and the various parties then could use it to hammer away at each other with FACTS, not propaganda, suppositions, and lies. Considering we are anticipating a landslide null sec CSM, many who have publicly stated they are bent on hammering high sec, it would be nice to see some actual data that supports or refutes their claims. It would also severely reduce the workload of the ISD and they would not have umpteen threads starting up every day about this the economic class warfare. So I ask again, why can't you release this data? CCP is never going to hammer Highsec into the ground, thats where new players are. That is there first experience into EVE why make that bad for them ? Sure Null Contains a lot if not a high percentage of the Core players, but from a Buisness point of View it makes no sense too make High bad Null great. No matter the bitching the whining and the Flexing It's unlikely to happen i think. But i support the idea of some offical figures being released . So I guess the ultimate question, is why can't CCP just release the economic data to base intelligent, well thought-out, fact-based platforms on. There are plenty of number crunchers on both sides of the argument, but much of the complete hyperbole would be melted away as it would not be able to pass any sanity check. I have never had an answer from CCP as to why they don't do it. They certainly have the tools to pull out detailed data.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 8003	Posted - 2013.03.07 14:36:00 - [4] - Quote Some of the information is available, eg: station slots available. Perhaps someone could compile that? I would happily pay a billion ISK for a spreadsheet showing manufacturing and reseach slots available in each system. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 875	Posted - 2013.03.07 14:39:00 - [5] - Quote vince snetterton can you please post your understanding of the 'nullsec' side's argument
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 652	Posted - 2013.03.07 14:51:00 - [6] - Quote Vince Snetterton wrote: The "null sec poor, high sec rich, nerf high sec" forum wars are heating up again, and numerous CSM candidates are running on that platform. CCP, why can't you release economic data that supports, or refutes, these positions? Diogaras, before he quit in June, was tweeting the results of SQL requests on a daily basis. He proved how easy it was. Double edge knife. Missions nerf from rat bounty to pay off, mission loot from 5K m3 to 250m3 High sec anom sites nerf, rats bounty and rewards So what's left? Null sec huge alt mining corporations Null sec alt industrial corporations What's the real problem then? Since no numbers will be provided so that we can have a civilized discussion about this once and for all, every one and his cat will be around claiming to know exactly what should be done. Let's roll again the same poor usual politic arguments etc, it worked before it will work again. Nothing new, nothing to see or learn, nothing will change. 1st time not getting interested for whatever will happen for CSM votes/candidates etc., nothing will change so, not wasting my time in Eve for this. removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Kobal81 Killing is Business THORN Alliance 78	Posted - 2013.03.07 14:57:00 - [7] - Quote Nut up, Deal with it and. STFU Highsec pubbie "Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit"
LHA Tarawa Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 497	Posted - 2013.03.07 14:59:00 - [8] - Quote Vince Snetterton wrote: So I guess the ultimate question, is why can't CCP just release the economic data to base intelligent, well thought-out, fact-based platforms on. Thought-out and fact based? What does that have to do with politics, which is all about self-interest. Non-carebears see all the highsec carebears as potential targets. There are all these players whose day I could ruin, if CCP would just: change the high sec mechanics, nerf high, buff null, etc, etc. WRONG! This wrong headed belief is the core of the problem. Those people are not playing this game because they enjoy having their day ruined by you. They are playing this game because the "good day/ruined day" ratio is acceptable to them. Alter that ratio, and they'll stop playing. NO ONE is going to play a game where they are nothing but an easy victim to those that get their jollies by ruining someone else's day. NO ONE! Some call me entitled... Yeah, I'm entitled to enjoy playing a game, or guess what.... I won't play it.
baltec1 Bat Country 5521	Posted - 2013.03.07 15:02:00 - [9] - Quote Dont need CCP to give us numbers on the high sec vs null sec production problems. Its clear as day null industry sucks balls and that high sec is gifted the best on a golden platter as close to free of charge as possible without being free.
Sariah Kion School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 205	Posted - 2013.03.07 15:22:00 - [10] - Quote Null sec tears refresh my soul. Keep them coming Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. *A modern girl for a modern world.*
Kane Alvo Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis Dragonaors 50	Posted - 2013.03.07 15:28:00 - [11] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Dont need CCP to give us numbers on the high sec vs null sec production problems. Its clear as day null industry sucks balls and that high sec is gifted the best on a golden platter as close to free of charge as possible without being free. And there we have it. Irrefutable proof, hard numbers, and facts...because baltec1 says so. Somewhere between 0 and infinity, a new numerical system based on "sucks balls" has been created. Null sec whiners produce more scripted drama than Amish Mafia. Caldari Militia -áGÿ£G£¬GÿP
baltec1 Bat Country 5521	Posted - 2013.03.07 15:29:00 - [12] - Quote Sariah Kion wrote: Null sec tears refresh my soul. Keep them coming We should really get CCP to impliment a system to punish people for misusing that word.
Sariah Kion School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 205	Posted - 2013.03.07 15:29:00 - [13] - Quote Kane Alvo wrote: baltec1 wrote: Dont need CCP to give us numbers on the high sec vs null sec production problems. Its clear as day null industry sucks balls and that high sec is gifted the best on a golden platter as close to free of charge as possible without being free. And there we have it. Irrefutable proof, hard numbers, and facts...because baltec1 says so. Somewhere between 0 and infinity, a new numerical system based on "sucks balls" has been created. Null sec whiners produce more scripted drama than Amish Mafia. You are a hero good sir. Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. *A modern girl for a modern world.*
Vince Snetterton 258	Posted - 2013.03.07 15:30:00 - [14] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Some of the information is available, eg: station slots available. Perhaps someone could compile that? I would happily pay a billion ISK for a spreadsheet showing manufacturing and reseach slots available in each system. Station slots, yeah, that can be ground out, though I doubt anyone would do it for a billion ISK, when CCP could craft a SQL request and give an answer in by end of day. But how about stuff like: 1. How many supercaps are in the game today. 2. Average payout/ tick of a null sec forsaken hub runner. 3. Average payout/tick of a high sec L4 mission runner. 4. Average payout of high sec incursion runner. 5. Average yield of ore / hour of high sec exhumers. 6. Quantity of ore mined and utilized / sector, including low and wormholes. 7 Total ISK generated, on a monthly basis, over the last 6, for all sectors of space. I mean in NPC bounties, blue loot. 8. Average amount of players online at any time in all sectors of space, with trends. Even break it down by ship at given snapshots, if possible. 9. And yes, how many mfg slots are in high sec, and what percentage are used, and how many finished T2 products are created in high sec stations versus at high sec POS's, low sec POS's, and null sec stations/POS's. There is zero doubt that CCP can pull this data out. The question is why they don't. These are a just a small sample of simple questions, and I have pretty much ignored questions the wormhole and low sec guys would like answered.
baltec1 Bat Country 5521	Posted - 2013.03.07 15:30:00 - [15] - Quote Kane Alvo wrote: baltec1 wrote: Dont need CCP to give us numbers on the high sec vs null sec production problems. Its clear as day null industry sucks balls and that high sec is gifted the best on a golden platter as close to free of charge as possible without being free. And there we have it. Irrefutable proof, hard numbers, and facts...because baltec1 says so. Somewhere between 0 and infinity, a new numerical system based on "sucks balls" has been created. Null sec whiners produce more scripted drama than Amish Mafia. Given how easy it is to look up these numbers I find your post to be rather bad.
Sariah Kion School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 205	Posted - 2013.03.07 15:31:00 - [16] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Sariah Kion wrote: Null sec tears refresh my soul. Keep them coming We should really get CCP to impliment a system to punish people for misusing that word. You mean using it to characterize the same complaining about high sec coming from the usual suspects in null sec isnt an accurate use of the meme? I think it fits the situation perfectly. Please, moar tears! Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. *A modern girl for a modern world.*
Vince Snetterton 258	Posted - 2013.03.07 15:33:00 - [17] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Kane Alvo wrote: baltec1 wrote: Dont need CCP to give us numbers on the high sec vs null sec production problems. Its clear as day null industry sucks balls and that high sec is gifted the best on a golden platter as close to free of charge as possible without being free. And there we have it. Irrefutable proof, hard numbers, and facts...because baltec1 says so. Somewhere between 0 and infinity, a new numerical system based on "sucks balls" has been created. Null sec whiners produce more scripted drama than Amish Mafia. Given how easy it is to look up these numbers I find your post to be rather bad. And here we go. When a thread pops up that null sec may find uncomfortable, they direct a guy into it to drag into a slagfest so CCP will lock the thread. Everyone, ignore the trolls, which gives CCP less reason to kill the thead.
baltec1 Bat Country 5521	Posted - 2013.03.07 15:34:00 - [18] - Quote Sariah Kion wrote: You mean using it to characterize the same complaining about high sec coming from the usual suspects in null sec isnt an accurate use of the meme? I think it fits the situation perfectly. Please, moar tears! People complaining about their untanked hulks not having very good tanks is crying People pointing out that a single system in high sec has more industrial slots than entire regions of null is pointing out a rather big problem. Please learn the difference.
Sariah Kion School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 205	Posted - 2013.03.07 15:34:00 - [19] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Kane Alvo wrote: baltec1 wrote: Dont need CCP to give us numbers on the high sec vs null sec production problems. Its clear as day null industry sucks balls and that high sec is gifted the best on a golden platter as close to free of charge as possible without being free. And there we have it. Irrefutable proof, hard numbers, and facts...because baltec1 says so. Somewhere between 0 and infinity, a new numerical system based on "sucks balls" has been created. Null sec whiners produce more scripted drama than Amish Mafia. Given how easy it is to look up these numbers I find your post to be rather bad. Well then get on with it. Support your statement with easy to look up facts instead of all your hit air. Of with you, don't come back until you have gathered all the "easy to look up" data, scoot. Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. *A modern girl for a modern world.*
Sariah Kion School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 205	Posted - 2013.03.07 15:36:00 - [20] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Sariah Kion wrote: You mean using it to characterize the same complaining about high sec coming from the usual suspects in null sec isnt an accurate use of the meme? I think it fits the situation perfectly. Please, moar tears! People complaining about their untanked hulks not having very good tanks is crying People pointing out that a single system in high sec has more industrial slots than entire regions of null is pointing out a rather big problem. Please learn the difference. There is so much irony and hypocrisy its stunning. Im not sure some of you realize how foolish you look. Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. *A modern girl for a modern world.*
baltec1 Bat Country 5521	Posted - 2013.03.07 15:36:00 - [21] - Quote Vince Snetterton wrote: And here we go. When a thread pops up that null sec may find uncomfortable, they direct a guy into it to drag into a slagfest so CCP will lock the thread. Everyone, ignore the trolls, which gives CCP less reason to kill the thead. The irony is strong with this one.
Sariah Kion School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 205	Posted - 2013.03.07 15:38:00 - [22] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Vince Snetterton wrote: And here we go. When a thread pops up that null sec may find uncomfortable, they direct a guy into it to drag into a slagfest so CCP will lock the thread. Everyone, ignore the trolls, which gives CCP less reason to kill the thead. The irony is strong with this one. ^^^^^Null sec tears above^^^^^ Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. *A modern girl for a modern world.*
baltec1 Bat Country 5521	Posted - 2013.03.07 15:38:00 - [23] - Quote Sariah Kion wrote: There is so much irony and hypocrisy its stunning. Im not sure some of you realize how foolish you look. Go on.
baltec1 Bat Country 5521	Posted - 2013.03.07 15:38:00 - [24] - Quote Sariah Kion wrote: ^^^^^Null sec tears above^^^^^ Again with the missuse.
Sariah Kion School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 205	Posted - 2013.03.07 15:40:00 - [25] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Sariah Kion wrote: There is so much irony and hypocrisy its stunning. Im not sure some of you realize how foolish you look. Go on. We are all still waiting for you to produce the "easy" to gather data that supports your statements. I mean, unless all you're here to do is troll then and shed your delicious tears all over the forums. Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. *A modern girl for a modern world.*
Sariah Kion School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 205	Posted - 2013.03.07 15:41:00 - [26] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Sariah Kion wrote: ^^^^^Null sec tears above^^^^^ Again with the missuse. Oh no. Im quite certain you're bordering on full on tantrum. Its coming. Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. *A modern girl for a modern world.*
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 875	Posted - 2013.03.07 15:44:00 - [27] - Quote wait is sariah kion part of the secret posting squad
baltec1 Bat Country 5521	Posted - 2013.03.07 15:47:00 - [28] - Quote Sariah Kion wrote: baltec1 wrote: Sariah Kion wrote: There is so much irony and hypocrisy its stunning. Im not sure some of you realize how foolish you look. Go on. We are all still waiting for you to produce the "easy" to gather data that supports your statements. I mean, unless all you're here to do is troll then and shed your delicious tears all over the forums. Jita (a single system) has 300 slots. Sobaseki (one jump away) has 250 slots. Nonni (another five jumps) has 750 slots. Lonetrek as a whole has 12,600 slots. Tribute as whole has 497 regular production slots.
baltec1 Bat Country 5521	Posted - 2013.03.07 15:48:00 - [29] - Quote Benny Ohu wrote: wait is sariah kion part of the secret posting squad Not even WI. are that bad at posting.
Sariah Kion School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 205	Posted - 2013.03.07 15:50:00 - [30] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Sariah Kion wrote: baltec1 wrote: Sariah Kion wrote: There is so much irony and hypocrisy its stunning. Im not sure some of you realize how foolish you look. Go on. We are all still waiting for you to produce the "easy" to gather data that supports your statements. I mean, unless all you're here to do is troll then and shed your delicious tears all over the forums. Jita (a single system) has 300 slots. Sobaseki (one jump away) has 250 slots. Nonni (another five jumps) has 750 slots. Lonetrek as a whole has 12,600 slots. Tribute as whole has 497 regular production slots. What can be done in null sec that cant be done in high sec? Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement President Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. *A modern girl for a modern world.*

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