The answer to that one is simple. Turn null into high sec.

But, I don't think anyone is calling for that.

Eve is a sandbox. Why can't a null alliance create a part of null-sec that has most of the benefits of high-sec?

What if null-sec industry was potentially lucrative enough that null-dwellers were willing to provide security or incentives for high-sec miners to mine in null?

People make the world go around, so should we really be looking for a people solution versus a "number of manufacturing slots" solution? Meaning, is it better to ask "what would it take to get high-sec miners to migrate to null ?"

EVE is a sandbox, clearly that means we can bypass game mechanics entirely.

And it wouldn't matter anyway, because you'll never get that many industrialists to 0.0.
But that's ok, you kids can ignore all the other issues with that go along with this...

Sorry, but your simply showing your lack of 0.0 experience. PvP'ers hate miners and industrialists. They complain about them endlessly.

Thinking you are going to get a bunch of pvp'ers to sit around for hours while miners make money is......Halarious..

And you know this.... how?

0.0 players don't hate industrialists. They are just completely worthless in nullsec so they don't get recruited or defended or cared about.

Perhaps if nullsec industry wasn't so horrible save for a few edge cases, they would be more well liked and defended.

Eve is a sandbox. Why can't a null alliance create a part of null-sec that has most of the benefits of high-sec?

Ah, so we're all just imaging those corp mining ops people keep calling us to in null sec.

This is how we know you are trolling, because of you aren't then you know nothing of the current state of null.

Themepark carebears are crazy.......

Ah, so we're all just imaging those corp mining ops people keep calling us to in null sec.

This is how we know you are trolling, because of you aren't then you know nothing of the current state of null.

Well then you should have more of everything then, right? According to this logic. I cant believe you clowns dont see how easily your arguments fall apart.

So, what is it that null industrialists want? More slots in null outposts? Higher install and run costs in high sec stations? More, and larger veld rocks in null to end that as a choke point to null manufacturing? Rocks in null produce more minerals than high sec rocks? Make POS refining/reprocessing able to get 100%? Make high sec station refine impossible to get above, say, 75%? LP and faction standing for running anoms?

As a high sec carebear miner/industrialist, I'm 100% emphatically for all of those changes.

Because:
1) they are in null because they want to shoot stuff, not make a trade hub.
2) Even if they wanted to make a trade hub, others would just show up to kill everyone else coming there to trade.

So it has become a happy care-bear heaven, where Pvper's and industrialists work in harmony?

Your right, I don't know 0.0 anymore, and if that's the state it's in....I wouldn't want too...

Oh, and you realize that "Corp mining ops" go to the corp, and rarely are redistributed to the average industry guy right?

I hear all people who make sweeping generalisations about groups of people they don't know much about have an IQ of 90 or less.

Says the guy running for CSM who will make sweeping generalizations about groups of people to represent them?

Says the guy who clearly doesn't understand jokes.

And you know this.... how?

Because:
1) they are in null because they want to shoot stuff, not make a trade hub.
2) Even if they wanted to make a trade hub, others would just show up to kill everyone else coming there to trade.

You're absolutely right. My socks are wet from standing in this river of null bear tears, and I'm a little grumpy.

EVE is a sandbox, clearly that means we can bypass game mechanics entirely.