So if you all agree that "SOV sucks" and its the real driving reason for the stagnation of PVP why are you laying at the feet of high sec dwellers?

The first null sec SOV dweller that comes out and says we need change to the game as a whole, starting with SOV and working or way back up to High Sec is a poster and movement I would get behind and support.

So if you all agree that "SOV sucks" and its the real driving reason for the stagnation of PVP why are you laying at the feet of high sec dwellers?

sov is one of the many problems with 0.0 that must be fixed

highsec is another

we are capable of holding more than one thought and expressing more than one idea

because the sov system isn't the real driving system for the stagnation of PvP but only a drop in an ocean of problems

one part of it is CCP's "everybody wins" philosophy that added nullsec levels of income potential to highsec, like incursions

So where are the posts from your ilk about SOV issues to go along with the daily bashing of high sec?

So where are the posts from your ilk about SOV issues to go along with the daily bashing of high sec?

Incursions were rebalanced.

There must be some truth coming from the OP because the Goonies turned out in force to ignite their flamethrowers on this one.

Funny how that works, isn't it?

There must be some truth coming from the OP because the Goonies turned out in force to ignite their flamethrowers on this one.

Funny how that works, isn't it?

Oh look, once again we have the usual null crowd trying to convince everyone that null income sucks yet they're scared to do anything to risk their isk faucets and grip on power.

Keep trying, I'm sure you'll convince someone.

We got tired of refuting the positions of ignorant people/NPC corp alts in the sov null improvement threads

Oh look, once again we have the usual null crowd trying to convince everyone that null income sucks yet they're scared to do anything to risk their isk faucets and grip on power.

Keep trying, I'm sure you'll convince someone.

"~all four members of goonswarm are posting in this thread, it must be because the OP is right~"

I mean seriously, broken for years.

Do you have anything to add to the discussion?

Now that I have stirred some of the snakes with the truth...

Answer this question:

If you are truly looking for a better null sec and to draw players out into null sec why are you not at the forefront pushing for fundamental changes to SOV mechanics that would help break up the stagnant nature of SOV space?

You cant expect logical thinkers to believe that you are for the betterment of pvp and EVE when you only attack the mechanics of high sec and completely avoid the glaring issues in your own backyard.

So why has the blame shifted to high sec as the cause of so many woes in null sec pvp?

If we all agree that the SOV mechanic is terrible and needs to change seems we should all work together to get it done. At that point. We can have an honest discourse and move to change/nerf high sec to bring it in line with the "NEW" null sec.

Im not opposed to change in high sec. Im opposed to change in high sec that only satisfies ulterior motives and is driven by greed and power.

"~all four members of goonswarm are posting in this thread, it must be because the OP is right~"

School of Applied Knowledge

because if nullseccers are funding their PvP through hisec alts instead of actually putting assets on the line in 0.0, there are less targets

because if nullseccers are funding their PvP through hisec alts instead of actually putting assets on the line in 0.0, there are less targets

less targets means less PvP

get it now or are you going to explain why it is necessary for hisec to essentially have welfare gameplay

"Welfare gameplay"

Think about that for a minute while looking at the mirror and taking a long look at the way SOV works.

The irony and hypocrisy is almost palpable.

These null sec alliances whom have blued up 70% of SOV space love their empires filled with isk spigots attached to moons giving them enormous passively earned wealth.

They are not looking for "change" to better EVE, bring about more pvp or bring balance to the game as a whole, they are simply looking for more isk and power.

think about what you just said there

that sovereignty, which costs money to keep and requires shitloads of effort to maintain, is welfare, unlike hisec, where everything is provided to you for free

I dont expect you to see the obvious irony and hypocrisy. If you did we would probably agree that changes need to come to SOV first and then trickle down through the other areas of the game.

1. Fix SOV. Break up the stagnant nature of pvp.
2. Gather data after changes.
3. Nerf or alter other areas to bring them inline with the new SOV Null based on hard data made after altering the linchpin issue (SOV).

It seems like the most prudent course of events to most logical thinkers. Not sure why some of you always skip to step 3. Wait...yes I do.