I don't even know what this thread is about but d*mn there are a lot of goonies in here :-D

Heh, you're calling Malcanis a nullbear spindoctor sockpuppet. Where's my popcorn?

Were null-sec players ever thus, say pre 2007?

When he gets enough null-sec votes to be elected to the 'CSM Who', he will tone down tough guy his rhetoric.

Did you know that we can only have 1 outpost per system in sov 0.0 because we make bad choices?

(V.V. will tell us what the good choices are later, I'm hoping)

Did anyone force you to go to null? Or did you make a choice like me and decided to go?

"We", hahaha. Obvious troll spotted.

We dropped stations that have hardly any slots and POSes that are expensive to run compared to highsec slots.

Let's just go with this.


No, you.

How did you miss the 110+ page thread about 2 months ago that covered SOV?

On the other hand, you need 1000 people willing to pitch up and defend that POS.

Assuming that the op takes 2 hours, and we're valuing the time of the people involved at 30M per hour, which is what they could make running hi-sec L4s, then the opportunity cost to successfully defend a CSAA in that fashion is around 60 billion ISK (Plus maybe another bill in isotopes, stront, ozone, bubbles, etc etc).

yea. but you have never heard that not every 0.0 alliance is pure carebear alliance.....

And when real POS is in danger good alliance leader will find those soldiers to spend 2 hours.

Did anyone force you to go to null? Or did you make a choice like me and decided to go?

Null bear spindoctoring at its finest is on display here, folks.

Handwaving away inconvenient facts at its finest on display here, folks.

Would you care to dispute Mr Stark's figures with your own? Or do you prefer to just shout loudly and hope everyone confuses noise with conviction?

No, I wanted to be in a part of space where players could build their own groupings.

What a shame to find out that the best we're allowed to build is so astonishingly inferior to the free, invulnerable NPC facilities.

No, I wanted to be in a part of space where players could build their own groupings.

What a shame to find out that the best we're allowed to build is so astonishingly inferior to the free, invulnerable NPC facilities.

One of the most glaring issues facing EVE is the terrible SOV mechanics which promote stagnation and isk hording and put "gf" pvp as an ancient memory.

I started to ask myself why do these null sec carebears continually come to the forums and complain about high sec and its pending destruction of this great pvp game when the SOV mechanics and system have done more harm to pvp then anything in high sec at current or in the future.

The answer is fairly obvious. These null sec alliances whom have blued up 70% of SOV space love their empires filled with isk spigots attached to moons giving them enormous passively earned wealth. They love to shoot their wealthy rats without a care in the world making more isk than mission runners in high sec. Lets not forget how much isk they earn shooting up dead space complexes without any worry about pvp. They can mine without any risk and reap the benefits. Hell no they dont want that to change. Instead they focus their energies on taking MORE by trying to lay the blame for the state of pvp in the game at the doorsteps of high sec.

I argue that may of the loudmouthed null bear trolls on this forum are more risk averse than many of the targets of their sharp tongued attacks. They are not looking for "change" to better EVE, bring about more pvp or bring balance to the game as a whole, they are simply looking for more isk and power.

Its a shame. If these null care bears would put as much effort into changing the real mechanic that can bring null sec back to life instead of engaging in the only pvp they wish to engage in at this point which is forum pvp. Turn that energy into changing SOV and it would benefit EVERYONE in the game and would draw people into null because they would have a fighting chance.

Unfortunately they are not interested in such a noble endeavor. They will merely keep on hiding the fact they are the ones who truly are the care bears hiding form the good fight behind terrible mechanics all the while acting the full part of hypocrite while pointing the finger at the "risk averse" high sec'er as the doom of everything good and righteous in EVE.

Null bears, you are not fooling anyone and only serve to make yourselves and your alliances look even more foolish than they currently look.

Yes the stalemate and boredom was and is player created. It should fall to the players to fix it not CCP. I hate going on POS bashes and I hate going on boring roams or the long waits to form fleets but I made my choice just as you did.

I dont blame hi-sec for the situation in null. As an adult I know I can go to hi-sec any time I like just as you can.

Sure there are some things I would like to see made better but it's not hi-secs fault. Either work with what you have or GTFO.

Or they realise that the problems off null-sec are multi faceted and that they are too complex to be discussed in one debate. There are issues with industry, POSes, sov mechanics and moon mining, and these will need to be discussed/debated as seperate entities, otherwise the problem is just too large to even contemplate fixing.

Still, I'm sure that won't stop you replying with some sort of 'No YOU, Null bear!' nonsense and then having this thread locked for ranting

EVE is a sandbox.

The new BoB chose to make null the way it is. Nothing was forced on them, the current situation is 100% their choice.
Should anything be done to appease the unhappy members of new BoB?

Absolutely NOT. Let the Goons enjoy the fruits of becoming of what they once despised.

EVE is harsh and cold, and you must adapt.

EVE is a sandbox.

The new BoB chose to make null the way it is. Nothing was forced on them, the current situation is 100% their choice.
Should anything be done to appease the unhappy members of new BoB?

Absolutely NOT. Let the Goons enjoy the fruits of becoming of what they once despised.

You mean safe arena pvp aka. war games are harsh and cold ??

You mean safe arena pvp aka. war games are harsh and cold ??

You mean...pvp...[is] harsh and cold ??

Becasue its a strawman.
Its common knowledge how SOV works.

That wouldn't make a difference really as everything on the market would just increase by at least that much if not more to make up the difference. I'd also wager that you would see a large number of subscriptions lapse.