Paying customers don't belong?

Oh dear, the amount of goontoon responses to other non-goon character responses is just pathetic. I guess they truely do have nothing better to do than troll gd while mining spod in nullbear-land. Amusing indeed.

You're sadly misinformed about the current state of nullsec politik. Your ignorance aside there's one huge difference between the person making isk in null and the person making isk in high sec; Tomorrow, someone can turn off their faucet. While that level 4 agent will always be there with unwavering resolve, space changes hands, blops gangs move in, alliances crumble. If you're suggesting that CCP is biased in favor of the content creators I'd say you might be onto something.

One of the most glaring issues facing EVE is the terrible SOV mechanics which promote stagnation and isk hording and put "gf" pvp as an ancient memory.

I started to ask myself why do these null sec carebears continually come to the forums and complain about high sec and its pending destruction of this great pvp game when the SOV mechanics and system have done more harm to pvp then anything in high sec at current or in the future.

The answer is fairly obvious. These null sec alliances whom have blued up 70% of SOV space love their empires filled with isk spigots attached to moons giving them enormous passively earned wealth. They love to shoot their wealthy rats without a care in the world making more isk than mission runners in high sec. Lets not forget how much isk they earn shooting up dead space complexes without any worry about pvp. They can mine without any risk and reap the benefits. Hell no they dont want that to change. Instead they focus their energies on taking MORE by trying to lay the blame for the state of pvp in the game at the doorsteps of high sec.

I argue that may of the loudmouthed null bear trolls on this forum are more risk averse than many of the targets of their sharp tongued attacks. They are not looking for "change" to better EVE, bring about more pvp or bring balance to the game as a whole, they are simply looking for more isk and power.

Its a shame. If these null care bears would put as much effort into changing the real mechanic that can bring null sec back to life instead of engaging in the only pvp they wish to engage in at this point which is forum pvp. Turn that energy into changing SOV and it would benefit EVERYONE in the game and would draw people into null because they would have a fighting chance.

Unfortunately they are not interested in such a noble endeavor. They will merely keep on hiding the fact they are the ones who truly are the care bears hiding form the good fight behind terrible mechanics all the while acting the full part of hypocrite while pointing the finger at the "risk averse" high sec'er as the doom of everything good and righteous in EVE.

Null bears, you are not fooling anyone and only serve to make yourselves and your alliances look even more foolish than they currently look.

Even now after buff they are a mere shadow of what they wore i have yet to see 200-500 ppl per system like it was,but 0.0 still have problem...you can remove them from high altogether and nerf l4 that would create critical mass of players and FORCE move them to 0.0.

Or they realise that the problems off null-sec are multi faceted and that they are too complex to be discussed in one debate. There are issues with industry, POSes, sov mechanics and moon mining, and these will need to be discussed/debated as seperate entities, otherwise the problem is just too large to even contemplate fixing.

Still, I'm sure that won't stop you replying with some sort of 'No YOU, Null bear!' nonsense and then having this thread locked for ranting

i didn't know we had 70% of nullsec blued

Maybe you should log in sometime, then.

One can only hope that CCP continue to develop Eve as a holistic entity rather than, 'I want...because it is good for my partisan game play, while claiming that what is good for me is good for the game'

...since Eve needs more ISK sinks, increasing the costs of NPC station slot usage is another nerf to highsec. If coupled with a PoS revamp and these PoS became the preferred way to build things, it would be less a nerf than a change of gameplay, since both null and high would be using PoS and on generally equal footing.

for eve to function as a holistic entity no region of space should provide everything you need for free

so yeah, hisec needs to be changed for eve to function as a "holistic entity" rather than being "hisec online"

ideas are judged by the caliber of their supporters and opponents

This is true, and that's why we can accurately assume that anything endorsed by Goonswarm is bad for everyone else in EvE - and vice versa.

buffing hisec caused a rush of players out of null

apparently you don't really have news for anyone

This is where you guys lose me every time. Anyone playing even a modest industrial game now, manufacturing goods on-site, across multiple regions, say 15-30 jumps from their POS, in a dozen stations, will not agree that the proposed changes aren't a "nerf." They nerf that guy's game haarrrd. Instead of being able to remote manufacture directly at the selling station, this new-vision for industry revolves around a far-removed POS instead. Just requiring ownership of a POS (hundreds of millions of isk monthly) to profit at basic industry (how much do you think folks are making on their t1 modules?) and freightering to a ridiculous degree (whoops gotta buy one of those also) for the same isk is gonna be a tough sell.

As I've already written, if a new indy player is going to be burdened with POS costs/maintence costs and 100x the logistics, the price per hour of a public slot is really going to be the least of their problems.

Ironically, the biggest issue for me though is that this idea will adversely affect player fluidity, which in turn adversely affects pgc. Instead of possibly playing a multi-regional, far-reaching game, everyone will be instead be tethered to a single point in space, reducing their sphere of influence. When a belt is mined out, it respawns emaciated. That process alone will ensure that relocating your high-sec POS becomes a frequent requirement. If I had to relocate my POS, every time I relocated myself in this game, that's all I'd do. I suspect part of the problem here is that in null no such freedom of movement is an option so restricting high sec in the same way seems to make perfect sense.

When I think about all the freightering, POS relocating, fuel purchasing, and other new logistics required under a move high sec industry to POS's plan, for the same isk, there's no conclusion to be made other than it's a game-changing nerf to high sec. So when I see you guys denying this or worse, calling it a buff, I just think someone needs to call you out on that.

YK

So you think fixing tech moons would be bad for everyone else in EVE?

This is where you guys lose me every time. Anyone playing even a modest industrial game now, manufacturing goods on-site, across multiple regions, say 15-30 jumps from their POS, in a dozen stations, will not agree that the proposed changes aren't a "nerf." They nerf that guy's game haarrrd.

Instead of being able to remote manufacture directly at the selling station, this new-vision for industry revolves around a far-removed POS instead. Just requiring ownership of a POS (hundreds of millions of isk monthly) to profit at basic industry (how much do you think folks are making on their t1 modules?) and freightering to a ridiculous degree (whoops gotta buy one of those also) for the same isk is gonna be a tough sell.

As I've already written, if a new indy player is going to be burdened with POS costs/maintence costs and 100x the logistics, the price per hour of a public slot is really going to be the least of their problems.

Good. That would mean the game becomes a lot more balanced GÇö a common reason to apply such nerfs.

Not really, since POSes aren't that expensive on an individual level, and since the profit from T1 will remain largely unchanged if all you're doing is moving people into POSes (and setting similar slot prices on NPC stations).

GǪbut that's not what anyone is suggesting. In fact, those new players are going to be burdened with public slot costs since a part of the rebalancing is to make those comparable in expense to owning and running a POS or an outpost.

see hiseccers are against an industry revamp to nullsec because it would be contrary to their goal of amassing as much isk as possible before cashing out of the game

an industry revamp in 0.0 would mean that a large number of the items consumed in 0.0 would be produced there, with only low-end minerals being imported from hisec

naturally, hisec producers don't wish to compete with their nullsec counterparts

For Eve to continue as a holistic entity, no region should ever be, for all practical purposes, be a self sufficient bubble. This includes hi-sec.

Fixed.

For Eve to continue as a holistic entity, no region should ever be, for all practical purposes, be a self sufficient bubble. This includes hi-sec.