Indeed. Because it seems some can't even look past page one, to see if this topic has been discussed before.

The thing that really gets me about AFK cloaking ships is that they can disrupt the play of other people for 23 hours of a day while AFK but CCP has a cow if someone tries to make isk in the same manner or macro travel so they can warp to zero all over the empires while AFK.

They aren't disrupting you. There is NO MECHANIC that they are employing while afk that forces you to dock. You are taking it upon yourself to be a victim.

You also managed to hit the nail on the head, a cloaker while AFK is gaining no in-game benefit from his activity.

Thought I got your thread Ray....

Edit: Yep, here it is. Sorry I couldn't put it on the front page...ran out of room.

Too much bullshit in all this threads. There is nothing wrong with the cloaking mechanism and how it works. The only problem One of the problems in EVE is the possibility of doing something while being AFK (PVP related, not INDI ofc).

So if I can not mine AFK, ratting AFK or pretty much making ISK while AFK, you should not be able to prevent me from making ISK while you are AFK. Simple solution, if you haven't give any commands to your EVE Client in 20 min you should be logged off. Problem fixed. You will still be able to sit in a cloaki ship in a system all day long if you want too, but it will require your ass to be in front of your PC while doing that. That will be FAIR.

And more bullshit about "Local Intel". Hey if you are such a 1337 pvper and I should not have Local to protect me from your dangerous ass maybe you should not be able to use a cloaking device either to protect you all the time from.. anything and anybody.

I'm sorry if I used the "ass" word too much, it must be from the new death transition effect.

How does someone AFK and cloaked, prevent you from making ISK?

Log off timers will never work. A simple program to stop my screen saver from starting, will have the side effect of stopping the log off.

I personally don't want local removed. But it goes hand in hand with AFK cloaking. It's the reason it exists. But as you use it, then so others have found ways to use it against you.
But the balance still remains in your favour. Because the intel from local is a guaranteed 23.5/7, where as the psychological effects from AFKing are not.

Oh and bump.

How does someone AFK and cloaked, prevent you from making ISK?

Log off timers will never work. A simple program to stop my screen saver from starting, will have the side effect of stopping the log off.Oh and bump.

I personally don't want local removed. But it goes hand in hand with AFK cloaking. It's the reason it exists. But as you use it, then so others have found ways to use it against you. Oh and bump.

But the balance still remains in your favour. Because the intel from local is a guaranteed 23.5/7, where as the psychological effects from AFKing are not.

I have no mercy for those that stay docked out of fear that the one cloaked ship will come and attack them.

It should NOT be at your mercy what a player does in a game for which he pays to play with his own real money.

Then shoot him. If he stays cloaked so that you cant shoot him he is no threat because he can't do anything to you while cloaked. And when he decloaks he is at a disadvantage because cloaking vessels are inferior to non-cloaking ships in direct combat.

I always fit guns with faction ammo on my noctis but for some weird reason i never win

As discussed in other threads, it is about the projection of force.

I have no mercy for those that stay docked out of fear that the one cloaked ship will come and attack them. That is a quantifiable threat within contained tolerances that can be planned for.

The problem with cloaking, afk or otherwise, is that it can be combined with a cyno for infinite threat projection with infinite safety. Because of the cyno, any afk ship that you find cloaked in space can with very little notice become a capital fleet. Any such ship must be considered sufficient force to wipe out any fleet you can field, unless you too have an entire alliances combat wing on call at a moments notice.

As you would then be effectively committing suicide, the risk inherent in undocking with an unknown, impossible to hunt hostile in system means that your only 'counter' is to stay docked.

My solution to the 'problem' of cloaking is simply to make a given ship incapable of fitting both a cyno and a cloak at the same time, risk management becomes quantifiable, and people with a little hair on their nethers can plan accordingly for what they think might be out there.

Quite simply, while PvE pilots would never resume regular activities with a hostile fleet present, they are sometimes willing to gamble over whether a cloaked vessel represents that level of threat at a given time.

You know very well how.

Windows screensaver and sending commands to eve server from your eve client are 2 different things. Hacking eve client it's against EULA.

Nope, the reason Local exists is for chatting, because EVE is a MMORPG and people need a way to communicate to each others. See EVE Fanfest 2013: Game Design - Balancing Tears & Laughter

Nope. The intel from my onboard scanner is 100% guaranteed because i know that there is a ship that physically exists in space, it's close to me and i can fight it if i want or not. The intel in local is just a simple name that exists only in local chat not physically in space. I can not fight with names in local chat.

Again, the problem is not the cloaky camping but the afk camping. You should not be able to camp someone while afk. And you know very well you wouldn't be able to stay 24/7 in front of your computer if you would want to permanently camp someone and that's what bothers you.

I have no problem with that hostile vessel being present in my system and being cloaky, I just want the pilot of that vessel to be at his PC while that vessel is cloaky in space, not at work, not sleeping, or at a walk in park.. etc. I can't make ISK while afk and i can't wait the f*&^%$ hole day in my shine counter-hotdrop cyno ship for his hotdrop either.

AFK is the problem not the fact that you can fly a cloaky ship with a cyno in space.

They had no control over you avoiding them. You saw their name appear in local, and you got safe.
You had no control over their camping you. They saw your name in local, so they knew they found where you PvE.

You may not be able to fight with them, but without local you wouldn't be aware of them whilst they were AFK and cloaked. But like I said, local intel is a guarantee, where as the psychological effects from AFKing are not. Balance remains in your favour.

Whether they are AFK or not, is irrelevant. They pay for their account, log in and stay logged in for as long as they wish.

It always comes back to local and the intel it's providing.
If you have difficulty reading the intel coming from local, then you have options.

As discussed in other threads, it is about the projection of force.

I have no mercy for those that stay docked out of fear that the one cloaked ship will come and attack them. That is a quantifiable threat within contained tolerances that can be planned for.

The problem with cloaking, afk or otherwise, is that it can be combined with a cyno for infinite threat projection with infinite safety. Because of the cyno, any afk ship that you find cloaked in space can with very little notice become a capital fleet. Any such ship must be considered sufficient force to wipe out any fleet you can field, unless you too have an entire alliances combat wing on call at a moments notice.

As you would then be effectively committing suicide, the risk inherent in undocking with an unknown, impossible to hunt hostile in system means that your only 'counter' is to stay docked.

My solution to the 'problem' of cloaking is simply to make a given ship incapable of fitting both a cyno and a cloak at the same time, risk management becomes quantifiable, and people with a little hair on their nethers can plan accordingly for what they think might be out there.

So you want to be completely invisible all the time and just pop up wherever you want whenever you want without anybody could get any intel about you and all this in your opinion is more balanced than me having local or a way to know about your existence until you decloak next to me.

Wrong. If being AFK in some form or another can have an impact in the game then is completely relevant. Everybody pays for their game, but u see i can't actually do stuff in space that has an impact to my wallet while AFK. It's somehow against EULA.

But if you want changes to cloaks, changes that nerf their current abilities, then you have to include local's intel as part of those changes. It's about balance and the keeping of it. Any nerf to cloaks inevitably involves getting more intel power.

So if I can not mine AFK, ratting AFK or pretty much making ISK while AFK, you should not be able to prevent me from making ISK while you are AFK.