Smartarse one-liners as a substitute for reason merely indicates your level of intelligence is suspect. Do please contribute something a bit more substantial.

Still smelling the fear, people.

I don't see how this creates more pvp, asakai wasn't in null. This is basically a long thread about your inability to plan ahead when going after jfs.

Not so.

The game has settled into this stagnant doughnut surrounding empire.

I have a better idea.

Go wreck the supply lines with ships, bubbles and lots of friends who are not in the blue doughnut. This way you actually add some value to the game because this idea has "stink" written all over it with smellovision ink.....

Killing jumpdrives to hurt null supply lines is just as fail as claiming that preventing starships from using stargates will allow new players to go about life ungriefed by vets in starter systems. The unrelated-ness of the comparisons made in the above example is 2nd only to the massive gap in your logic behind this proposal.

Buffing industry in null as seems to be the agenda of every powerblock with a CSM rep will only worsen the problem because given said buff and nulls complete independence of hi-sec, there would be no need for Jump drives to re-stock your weapon lockers to keep the crack addicts going. This will in turn change this "roadblock" of new alliances entering Sov warefare into an Iron curtain that will forever keep small timers out in the cold ghetto.

Now I dont know about you, but I see no need to buy a 7 bil isk JF to move stuff when I am not forced to move anything... Or can only move it from 0.0 to 0.0, which in turn will lead to a reduction of PvP opportunities since nobody will bother moving any assets when they can simply make them anywhere and in so doing, have the exact opposite effect you were hoping to achieve.

So you see, your wonderful idea of limiting Jumpdrives to null is only going to break null even more (since every cap in the game will be moved to null) and make low-sec even more of a ghost town for PvP than it already is.

And for the record, stupid ideas that rub people up the wrong way always attracts allot of negative attention, regardless of the credibility of the idea or the nerve you strike in proposing it.

And this is not because of Jumpdrives or the dependance on Hi-sec Industry.

This is 100% because of NAP fests between members of OTEC in this game who want to keep their little monopoly on moon mining.

So your real problem is emergent gameplay and your solution is to break the game.

Cope or wither.

Yes, lets ruin faction warfare logistics! Believe it or not, some of us suffer from station lockouts on a day to day basis and go through ships as fast as nullsec does.

By limiting jump freighters jump drive to nullsec, how do you reckon Lowsec would be supplied? Specifically - those within faction warfare. Are we supposed to haul everything by crane?

However:

• 80% of the player base is in hisec, or so I'm led to believe;
• CCP want more people to go into nulsec. This has been stated on many occasions;
• Sov space is in the vice-like grasp of a few alliances, supported by hisec.

It makes sense to do something to make sov more attractive to the 80%, rather than easier for the 20% to remain dominant. This simple change to the game will make it more likely by making local industry a LOT more important, due to remote industry being harder to access. This will alter the game balance, favouring more hte hisec industrials. Obviously, else sov wouldn't depend on them so much.

The attitudes of many posters show they will whine tooth-and-nail to keep open the caravan lanes; hence the increase in PvP opportunities. While I appreciate the current possessors not wanting this change I believe it will push the game in the direction as stated above.

What do you jokers think happened before Jump Freighters were put in?

You actually had convoys, with escorts, and interdictions/commerce raiding. Hell, convoy runs from Tenal down to Taisy 'back in the day' were some of the best fleets I've been on.

What do you jokers think happened before Jump Freighters were put in?

You actually had convoys, with escorts, and interdictions/commerce raiding. Hell, convoy runs from Tenal down to Taisy 'back in the day' were some of the best fleets I've been on.

As for the big blue donut i don't know entirely the solution for this. I know that because of passive income (moon goo) big blocks of power are getting more isk doing less every single day.

I agree with many of the posts on the forums that alliance funding needs to be from the bottom up not the top down (ring mining and alliance wide taxes). This at least would stop passive income and would force alliances to compete with each other for the lowest tax or the best resource. I know that sov based off usage of a system might be a help to open new space up for new alliances.

I digress though, the short answer to the OP is no it won't work and you will have the opposite effect on null sec with what your trying to.

My 2 Cents

IIRC, that's 80% of the characters, not 80% of the players living in empire. So, you have to factor out the nullsec alts, and the lowsec pirate hauler alts too.

Fact of the matter is though, lowsec is a "semi-safe" place for new corps and alliances to get their feet wet with capships.

Though -- I don't follow your reasoning that "getting rid of JD usage in empire" will help hisec industrialists. I mean, if it's that much harder to move crap from empire to nullsec; the nullsec alliances will just turn to their internal sources for everything, and that'll (for a while anyway) gut the empire markets, until all the oversupply is finally bled off.

For three, caps are bought and sold in lowsec you dummie

Dummy... if you insist on name-calling at least get right the spelling.

As for your comment: not after this change.

Not so much help them in terms of isk profit, but they will have an advantage in terms of armaments and resupply. The antipathy shown by the sov-holders to this idea makes me believe they will not be so good at the industrial side of things. This translates into an advantage for anyone, not just empire, who have built up a manufacturing base capable of supporting the alliance of which its a part.

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you're absolutely right, nullsec alliances have zero mining capacity. It's not like they wouldn't bring down their (currently residing in hisec) mining alts, and tear through constellations like locusts.
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First problem right now today with nullsec is that it has less than 5% of the industrial capacity of hisec (i.e. available slots, not players with the skills).

Fix this part, and the "problem" will take care of itself.

So what will happen to those caps now since they need a cyno to move? Do you not see that this destroys so many opportunities in already barren low sec? And like another poster said what about caps in faction warfare?
(I meant to post a reply centered around this a few days ago but when it wouldn't post, then deleted, I gave up)

That's not what I want. Disruption of supplylines between empire and sov space is what I want. More opportunities for PvP as it becomes more dangerous for the freighting of goods. This accomplishes that in a very simple fashion.

Unless you are an alliance like Goonswarm with a high sec/null sec entry. Then you can enjoy the benefits of both null and high sec with almost zero disruption.

Yeah...lets buff Goonswarm!

That's not what I want. Disruption of supplylines between empire and sov space is what I want. More opportunities for PvP as it becomes more dangerous for the freighting of goods. This accomplishes that in a very simple fashion.

You did the whole route via gates or did you use titan bridges or jump bridges? And what kind of support did you have on standby for the low sec portion?

Freighters in hisec ... maybe 1 jump into a controlled lowsec. Then carriers (or the Rorqual) from there to where ever. Prior to that, I imagine that it was all industrials and the like (IIRC, caps and freighters came out at the same time -- but I could be wrong).

You're going about it the wrong way though.

If you break supply from empire -> null (and obviously null -> empire), null will turn their resources internal. You'll see a lot of the current holders turtle up on their important systems, and probably move "important" systems around a bit. edit -- not to mention T2 supplies will dwindle in empire.

That sounds great -- more unused space for new alliances, right?

Well, how are the little guys gonna get stuff? I mean, they have 1 system of SOV. It's probably something crap like -0.1, and has no station, so EVERYTHING is made in a POS. They have no caps yet, because they've only just set up, and it's gonna take 2-3 weeks to build one, ignoring any time needed to mine & refine the minerals (oh, and they have a hard 75% cap on refining).