People that say that they are OP are just he ones disregarding their cost or showing how they step into the role of the battleships.

They are not impressive (specially the hurricane) but have too many HP to be BC, since they overstep on attack Battleship levels. But that is moslty because battleshisp themselves are too weak.

Too much focus on how these hulls will behave in PVP - it's not the be all and end all. I'm sure the Navy Drake/Fleet Hurricane will be fine for PVE.

Quick update to make sure everyone is on the same page:

• Drake Navy Issue now has 900 powergrid
• Hurricane Fleet Issue now has 1350 powergrid

LP Store requirements have been reduced to:

• Regular corporation LP stores, blueprint offer: 200,000 LPs plus 100 million ISK for 1 run blueprint copy (BPC)
• Regular corporation LP stores, built ship offer: 250,000 LPs plus 1x built tech1 Battlecruiser plus two Cruiser sized Nexus Chips
• FW Loyalty Point stores, blueprint offer: for 100,000 LPs plus 10m ISK for 1 run BPC
• FW Loyalty Point Stores, built ship offer: 100,000 LPs plus 1x built tech1 Battlecruiser plus two Cruiser sized Nexus Chips

But what does that mean??? .....in real terms the price of navy battlecruisers will be??????

Navy Frigate - racial frigate skill - lvl 2
Navy Cruiser - racial cruiser skill - lvl 2
Navy Battleship - racial battleship skill - lvl 2

Navy Battlecruiser - racial battlecriuser skill - lvl 1

Why ??

It's funny because the fleet cane is still weaker than pre-nerf hurricane. The powergrid is still very nerfed.

probably around 150-170m

Cheaper than command ships by a fair margin.

Okay. Here's my view of the navy BCs as they stand on SiSi now. I'm probably going to screw up the maths for the percentages, but whatever.

Harbinger -

63,889 EHP
622.1 DPS
6.8km + 3.8km range
0.1125 rad/sec
800.5 m/s

Navy Harbinger - ... (Gains + 1 Extra Medium Slot)

84,694 EHP .....................(+ 20,805 (32.56%))
695.4 DPS .......................(+ 73.3 (11.78%))
8km + 5.7km range..........(+ 1.2km optimal (17%), +1.2km falloff (50%))
0.1605 rad/sec................. (+0.048 (42.6%))
800.5 m/s

Huge buff. Obtains extra slot for more tackle, tracking or cap (The fitting used has an extra tracking computer there). Extra PG allows higher tier weapons, and still have more tracking than the non-Navy.



Brutix -

55,789 EHP
775.6 DPS
1.9km + 5km
0.165 rad/sec
903.6 m/s

Navy Brutix - ...................(Gains + 1 Extra Low Slot)

77,486 EHP ..................(+ 21,697 (38.9%))
852.7 DPS..................... (+ 77.1 (10%)
1.9km + 5km
0.2268 rad/sec............. (+ 0.0618 (37%)
890.0 m/s.......................(- 13.6 m/s (1.5%))


Big buff. The extra lowslot, plus the extra powergrid, allow me to upgrade the meta 4 1600 plate to a T2 (For a minor loss of speed) and add an extra MFS.



Hurricane -

37,441 EHP
534.7 DPS
3.5km + 25.3km
0.1173 rad/sec
1473.5 m/s

Navy Hurricane - .... (Gains + 1 Extra High Slot)

52,088 EHP ...........(+ 14,647 (39.1%))
534.7 DPS
3.5km + 25.3km
0.1173 rad/sec
1474.8 m/s............. (+ 1.3 (0.082%)

Nearly 40% tank buff to a shield tank (And I'd suppose to armor as well), plus gets a second utility high. And a rather strange miniscule buff to speed. I can't imagine why, but it is there.



Drake -

58,358 EHP
480.9 DPS
62km Range
121.5 m/sec velocity / 105m radius
1044.6 m/s

Navy Drake -.................................... (Loses - 1 Utility High)

69,628 EHP............................................... (+11,270 (19.3%))
428.3 DPS................................................ (- 52.6 (-12.3%))
94km range...............................................(+ 32km range (51.6%))
121.5 m/sec velocity / 78m radius....... (+ 27m radius (34.6%))
1194.5 m/s ...............................................(+ 149.9 (14.3%))

Not quite a direct upgrade. Tank increase is much lower than that of the other Navy ships.
Is the only ship to have a directly lowered stat (Loses over 10% of its DPS), and is the only ship to have less usable slots than it's non-Navy version. This puts it at 10 usable slots, over the others 12.




All of them, except the Navy Drake, look like straight upgrades. I'm not entirely sold on the Navy Drake, as that damage decrease will hurt it heavily in any fight against a cruiser or bigger, and the loss of the utility high will hurt it against anything smaller.

Rainbow damage is nice, but in practice is very rarely a factor, and only ever comes into play against certain ships. While the option to use something other than kinetic is nice for when going up against T2 Gallente ships, the loss of 12% of your damage against everything else is not.

Well i think the cane and drake tell you something about their T1 versions state of power...
T1 Drake tank is still OP
T1 cane is still versatile and pretty mobile.

Drake -

58,358 EHP
480.9 DPS
62km Range
121.5 m/sec velocity / 105m radius
1044.6 m/s

Navy Drake -.................................... (Loses - 1 Utility High)

69,628 EHP............................................... (+11,270 (19.3%))
428.3 DPS................................................ (- 52.6 (-12.3%))
94km range...............................................(+ 32km range (51.6%))
121.5 m/sec velocity / 78m radius....... (+ 27m radius (34.6%))
1194.5 m/s ...............................................(+ 149.9 (14.3%))

Not quite a direct upgrade. Tank increase is much lower than that of the other Navy ships.
Is the only ship to have a directly lowered stat (Loses over 10% of its DPS), and is the only ship to have less usable slots than it's non-Navy version. This puts it at 10 usable slots, over the others 12.


All of them, except the Navy Drake, look like straight upgrades. I'm not entirely sold on the Navy Drake, as that damage decrease will hurt it heavily in any fight against a cruiser or bigger, and the loss of the utility high will hurt it against anything smaller.

Rainbow damage is nice, but in practice is very rarely a factor, and only ever comes into play against certain ships. While the option to use something other than kinetic is nice for when going up against T2 Gallente ships, the loss of 12% of your damage against everything else is not.

EDIT: Had a look at the Navy Drake for PVE. Seems to have a significantly lower passive tank than the non-Navy drake, in both resistances and raw shield recharged, plus does less DPS.

Again, not a good choice.

The Navy Drake earn more subtil changes : damage application and speed. That does not translate into raw eft numbers or direct pve advantage, but that's still very usefull.

The Navy Drake earn more subtil changes : damage application and speed. That does not translate into raw eft numbers or direct pve advantage, but that's still very usefull.

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A MWDing Raptor that takes 106 DPS from a Drake outside webrange would take 109 DPS from a Navy Drake. (2.8% increase)

What game are you playing where a ceptor takes 106 dps from a drake?

Why not give the drake navy issue % to missile dmg caldari being mostly missiles I'd thought they'd be able to do that and speaking from personal experience it's not the size of the target ship I'm shooting at that's a problem it's normally the speed so a bonus to explosion velocity would be more suited

My ideal would be 5% to missile dmg per level instead of just a kinetic dmg
10% to missile explosion velocity
Surely I can't be the only one who thinks like this.

Rainbow damage is nice, but in practice is very rarely a factor, and only ever comes into play against certain ships. While the option to use something other than kinetic is nice for when going up against T2 Gallente ships, the loss of 12% of your damage against everything else is not.

My apologies if someone already stated this but after page 19 I just couldnGÇÖt read anymore.

At the current conversion rate of 2k ISK per LP