dat Drake

but why brutix and not myrmidon?

but why brutix and not myrmidon?

HARBINGER NAVY ISSUE

We decided to give this ship some much needed flexibility by adding a 5th medium slot, and replacing the Medium Energy Turret capacitor reduction bonus with a 7.5% Medium Energy Turret tracking bonus per level. However, the drone bay has been slightly reduced next to its regular counterpart.


GÇó Amarr Battlecruiser skill bonuses: +10% medium energy turret damage and +7.5% to medium energy turret tracking per level
GÇó Slot layout: 7 H, 5 M, 6 L, 6 turrets, 0 launchers



BRUTIX NAVY ISSUE

This vessel is an iteration over the regular version. The Armor Repairer amount bonus has been swapped for a 7.5% Medium Hybrid Turret tracking bonus per level, another low slot has been added and it is a bit more maneuverable as well.

GÇó Gallente Battlecruiser skill bonuses: +10% to medium hybrid turret damage and 7.5% bonus to medium hybrid turret tracking per level
GÇó Slot layout: 7 H, 4 M, 7 L, 6 turrets, 0 launchers

The Navy Brutix and Nay Harbinger both have a 7.5% per level tracking bonus. The Navy Drake has what is basically a 'tracking' bonus for missiles (5% explosion radius). It seems like these hulls are in favor of being more flexible and more able to apply their dps. Why then does the Fleet Hurricane get the shaft here? I realize it's the old Hurricane more or less, but I'd be in favor of dropping one of its bonuses in return for a tracking bonus like the other Navy Battlecruisers (also like the Fleet Stabber and Fleet Firetail). It would have lower dps than its standard counter part, but be more flexible and able to apply that dps.

Arise Drake navy issue, King of the battlecruisers

HARBINGER NAVY ISSUE

We decided to give this ship some much needed flexibility by adding a 5th medium slot, and replacing the Medium Energy Turret capacitor reduction bonus with a 7.5% Medium Energy Turret tracking bonus per level. However, the drone bay has been slightly reduced next to its regular counterpart.


GÇó Amarr Battlecruiser skill bonuses: +10% medium energy turret damage and +7.5% to medium energy turret tracking per level
GÇó Slot layout: 7 H, 5 M, 6 L, 6 turrets, 0 launchers
GÇó Fittings: 1495 PWG, 410 CPU
GÇó Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 4500 / 7500 / 6750
GÇó Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 3125 / 822 s / 3.8
GÇó Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 150 / 0.69 / 13800000 / 13.2 s
GÇó Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 50
GÇó Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km / 210 / 6
GÇó Sensor strength: 21 Radar
GÇó Signature radius: 270


DRAKE NAVY ISSUE:

Unwilling to imitate our dear friend Victor by creating a Drakenstein monster, the Navy version focuses on flexibility instead of improving the already good raw firepower and tank of the standard Drake. It has a 10% missile velocity and 5% missile explosion radius bonus per level, 8 launchers and improved mobility.

GÇó Caldari Battlecruiser skill bonuses: +10% to heavy missile and heavy assault missile velocity and 5% bonus to explosion radius of heavy missile and heavy assault missile per level
GÇó Slot layout: 8 H, 6 M, 4 L, 0 turrets, 8 launchers
GÇó Fittings: 880 PWG, 550 CPU
GÇó Defense (shields / armor / hull) :7875 / 4875 / 5625
GÇó Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 2500 / 658 s / 3.8
GÇó Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 150 / 0.64 / 13329000 / 11.8 s
GÇó Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 / 25
GÇó Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 60km / 195 / 8
GÇó Sensor strength: 23 Gravimetric
GÇó Signature radius: 295


BRUTIX NAVY ISSUE

This vessel is an iteration over the regular version. The Armor Repairer amount bonus has been swapped for a 7.5% Medium Hybrid Turret tracking bonus per level, another low slot has been added and it is a bit more maneuverable as well.

GÇó Gallente Battlecruiser skill bonuses: +10% to medium hybrid turret damage and 7.5% bonus to medium hybrid turret tracking per level
GÇó Slot layout: 7 H, 4 M, 7 L, 6 turrets, 0 launchers
GÇó Fittings: 1235 PWG, 455 CPU
GÇó Defense (shields / armor / hull): 5250 / 6750 / 7125
GÇó Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 3000 / 789 s / 3.8
GÇó Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 155 / 0.704 / 11875000 / 11.6 s
GÇó Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 50
GÇó Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km / 200 / 7
GÇó Sensor strength: 22 Magnetometric
GÇó Signature radius: 305


HURRICANE FLEET ISSUE

Over its regular version, this ship has 8 high slots, two utility slots, slightly more mobility and fittings, while the role itself doesnGÇÖt change. Kind of reminds us of something, but what could that be? Memory must be playing tricks on us.
GÇó Minmatar Battlecruiser skill bonuses: +5% to medium projectile damage and 5% bonus to medium projectile rate of fire per level
GÇó Slot layout: 8 H, 4 M, 6 L, 6 turrets, 3 launchers
GÇó Fittings: 1235 PWG, 420 CPU
GÇó Defense (shields / armor / hull): 6375 / 6750 / 5250
GÇó Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 2250 / 592 s / 3.8
GÇó Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 165 / 0.704 / 12500000 / 12.2 s
GÇó Drones (bandwidth / bay): 30 / 30
GÇó Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 50km / 220 / 6
GÇó Sensor strength: 20 Ladar
GÇó Signature radius: 250

Why on earth there is no cap bonus for the harbinger navy? don't you guys know that cap is life? what's wrong with you? why do you insist of ruining the Amarr?

Unsubbing all accounts and uninstalling.

Pretty sure that with the recent ship rebalances for amarr that CCP finally understood that the only sensible, straighforward way to fix amarr is to half the cap usage on the guns, instead of, you know, screwing over the ships by giving them bonuses to allow them to use the actual laser weapon in question.

Or, more likely, they could just be rolling full steam ahead without even considering that and they'll all become useless hulks with the exception of the drone/neut boats.

Drake has NO damage bonus. It will be out damaged by regular drakes AND it loses resist bonus, which is the strongest bonus in game imo. So in total I believe Drake NI will be....meh at best..

Why on earth there is no cap bonus for the harbinger navy? don't you guys know that cap is life? what's wrong with you? why do you insist of ruining the Amarr?

If they are doing that, then by all means, do it. But the problem with that is that the amarr may be losing it's diversity.
Still it's far less worse than having no cap AT ALL. I'll want to hear from CCP about it to believe it though.

BRUTIX NAVY ISSUE
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GÇó Defense (shields / armor / hull): 5250 / 6750 / 7125
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This Navy drake is going to be so be OP. No longer restricted to just kinetic damage. Velocity bonus (Kiting HAM drake anyone?) and excellent damage projection against smaller targets? Simply beyond winning.

I see it differently, now we have two versions of the drake that are not worth flying.

Can't see how the regular LP store offer can stay competitive. Why add it at all?

HURRICANE FLEET ISSUE

Over its regular version, this ship has 8 high slots, two utility slots, slightly more mobility and fittings, while the role itself doesnGÇÖt change. Kind of reminds us of something, but what could that be? Memory must be playing tricks on us.
GÇó Minmatar Battlecruiser skill bonuses: +5% to medium projectile damage and 5% bonus to medium projectile rate of fire per level
GÇó Slot layout: 8 H, 4 M, 6 L, 6 turrets, 3 launchers
GÇó Fittings: 1235 PWG, 420 CPU
GÇó Defense (shields / armor / hull): 6375 / 6750 / 5250
GÇó Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 2250 / 592 s / 3.8
GÇó Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 165 / 0.704 / 12500000 / 12.2 s
GÇó Drones (bandwidth / bay): 30 / 30
GÇó Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 50km / 220 / 6
GÇó Sensor strength: 20 Ladar
GÇó Signature radius: 250

Ok so the fleet Cain is our old Cain with NO new flavor, and no tracking bonus like ALL three other navy BCs? For gods sake give it a 7th gun, take away the damage bonus and then give it a tracking bonus. The rest look Awsome, I welcome our new navy Drake overloards

Why on earth there is no cap bonus for the harbinger navy? don't you guys know that cap is life? what's wrong with you? why do you insist of ruining the Amarr?

Shouldn't Drake bonus say '5% reduction to explosion radius/ lvl' it says says bonus... which makes it LESS effective against smaller craft...

Arise Drake navy issue, King of the battlecruisers

Yes... "Dat Drake".. loking good, I just wish Caldari Navy skins were not so... so, diseased looking.

Can we please give the regular Brutix these bonuses and just let the navy brutix be as is? I mean seriously, two ******* ships with 7.5% armor rep per level? Why do you hate us so much? Why is it the navy version is the only decent fleet BC in the Gallente line up?

8 launchers. 8 LAUNCHERS.

Can we please give the regular Brutix these bonuses and just let the navy brutix be as is? I mean seriously, two ******* ships with 7.5% armor rep per level? Why do you hate us so much? Why is it the navy version is the only decent fleet BC in the Gallente line up?

[2] Also, such a disappointing and epic lazy design decision on the Hurricane Fleet Issue.

Further the Matari alternate doctrine of launchers and continue your attempt to 'redeem Minmatar split weapon platforms' - take the Cane Fleet in the direction of Scythe Fleet please.

Versatile fitting with 2 equal bonuses to guns n launchers - let pilots fit either set
2 Utility Highs
Fast and Small Sig

At least try, youre really expecting people to shell out ~200m+ for the old Cane with extra beef?

Looking over most of them they look decently solid tell you come to the drake...

The F*** are you thinking?!
Only 800pg that almost as bad as the Nighhawk which need a major pg boost as it base is only 710 cant do jack with that

Errr.... You people do realize that this Navy Harb got an additional mid slot and more grid, right? So you can fit a cap booster in addition to your old fit. And last I checked, cap booster > no booster in PvP. So this is much much better than the cap bonus. But I'm sure if you whine and cry enough they can swap the tracking bonus for your old cap bonus, and then you can fit a tracking computer in the mid to get your tracking... :-/

Back in the day Ivy League actually taught players not to be complete idiots. What happened?

Aggghhhh why the hell do you guys keep using a cammo paint scheme on spaceships? It doesn't make them any less visible in space.

First!

Edit:
Now that I've read them:

They suck. The price difference is not worth the changes

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Drake has NO damage bonus. It will be out damaged by regular drakes AND it loses resist bonus, which is the strongest bonus in game imo. So in total I believe Drake NI will be....meh at best.

Brutix is in a good spot. It is now more fleet oriented.

Yes, I do realize that, and I think that the ship could have a much greater variety with a cap bonus instead of a tracking bonus. Reason being that I CAN put a TC in the mid, but I can go for E-War or more webs (or something else), and then I don't have to worry as much about cap. Why should I be forced to stay with the cap booster?

Oh and Mr Floydy, the Harbinger has a 10% reduction in Medium Energy Weapon capacitor need.

BRUTIX NAVY ISSUE

This vessel is an iteration over the regular version. The Armor Repairer amount bonus has been swapped for a 7.5% Medium Hybrid Turret tracking bonus per level, another low slot has been added and it is a bit more maneuverable as well.

GÇó Gallente Battlecruiser skill bonuses: +10% to medium hybrid turret damage and 7.5% bonus to medium hybrid turret tracking per level
GÇó Slot layout: 7 H, 4 M, 7 L, 6 turrets, 0 launchers
GÇó Fittings: 1235 PWG, 455 CPU
GÇó Defense (shields / armor / hull): 5250 / 6750 / 7125
GÇó Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 3000 / 789 s / 3.8
GÇó Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 155 / 0.704 / 11875000 / 11.6 s
GÇó Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 50
GÇó Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km / 200 / 7
GÇó Sensor strength: 22 Magnetometric
GÇó Signature radius: 305

Wait, what? There would be more variety if it had the same bonus as the basic Harbinger? what in the actual hell are you on about? Do you realise what variety means?

I'm fully aware that the Harbinger has a 10% cap bonus for lasers, that is my point in it's entirety. The Navy Harbinger is rightfully different, it offers a different twist on the ship to the T1 version. It's great that the faction versions aren't just mirroring the T1 bonuses with more HP like Navy ships used to.

To convey the sense that these are vessels redesigned by military entities. Has nothing to do with visibility.

What space fairing military ****** would paint a ship cammo? I'm pretty sure the guns attached to the hull are enough to demonstrate what the people who designed it had in mind.

I am terrible at this game but... dat FI cane... is it our old beloved cane we used to cause whine threads with in the past? :)

It seems like the drake navy issue has exceptionally poor fitting,

At all level 5, it has
1100 PG
687.5 CPU.

for a bare-bones fit, say DCU2, 10mn MWD, and 8 HML2's,
DCU II - 1PG, 30 CPU
Experimental 10mn MWD - 150PG, 50 CPU
8 HML2 @ AWU 5. 756PG, 330.4 CPU

that leaves
193 PG
227.1 CPU

which is enough for only 1 LSE, making the Drake navy issue considerably more fragile than the regular drake.
this is also only enough CPU for 2 hardeners and 2 BCS's with 13 CPU left over for 1 low and 2 mids.

What about a HAM fit? same DCU II, and experimental 10mn MWD
8 HAM 2@AWU 5, 813PG, 300 CPU

that leaves
136 PG
307.5 CPU

The good news here is that there is spare CPU to fit 2 invuln and 2 BCS, and web+scram.
The bad news is that unless you have BOTH AWU5 and Shield upgrades 5, forget about fitting a LSE to your 170million faction ship.

The drake was always tight on fitting, and there is no way to cram 2 extra launchers onto 80 extra PG and 50 extra CPU.

Without AWU 2, you won't be able to fit an LSE on the HML version either. The navy drake will be less shooty, less bulky, and overall a complete waste of money over the regular drake.

so you suggest that forcing you to stick a cap booster in the mid will increase fitting variety? I don't see how.

Why are navy BCs necessary?

Congrats, you'll have a drake that can kill cruisers and perhaps take on frigates.

But last time I checked, 8 launchers with no bonus is lower DPS than 6 launchers with 50% bonus when using the correct ammo.

Hurray, you can use EM/explosive ammo now, and still do less DPS than the recently nerfed drakes.

I'm missing the OP part....

This^

Those Navy Brutix bonuses are what the regular T1 Brutix should have instead of the useless Armor Rep bonus.

This^

335 damage per second and no drones(caldari navy ammunition); setup just under 700 CPU, under 1050 PG (All level 5); 50 - 65,000 effective hit-points; 400 damage per second and no drones (advanced damage ammunition); 1,200 meters per second.

You could do something like 1400 meters a second with 2 overdrive injectors. You can also do a Heavy assault missile version but it is TIGHT.

Note: this is all an estimation.

Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
10MN Microwarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile

Core Defense Field Extender I
Core Defense Field Extender I
Core Defense Field Extender I


- killz

Why are navy BCs necessary?

We are talking about a computer game. The thing is in and of itself unnecessary and the content in it is completely arbitrary, nothing in the game needs to be there. If there was one, or even two less factions from the games inception you wouldn't think there was anything missing. Would you have argued that destroyers and battlecruisers were unnecessary prior to their introduction into the game? What about T2 ships, or capitals?

Everything in the game is necessary by its very nature as game content arguing that a new type of content is unnecessary is dumb. You might not like it because it causes balance problems or supplants the role of some existing thing then fine but make that argument, not the dumb one you just made.

The fact of the matter is that the game benefits from there being new content, so you're going to have to make a more compelling argument than "It's unnecessary" to convince people that new content, particularly tame new content like new variants of ships is a bad idea.

The point is, the navy drake cost more than twice as much as a normal drake, and does things worse or the same, compared to say, stabber and fleet stabber, hookbill and the t1 frigs, navy omen vs regular omen. Or even the new navy cane vs regular cane.

funny thing thou, you need a sensor booster to take advantage of the extended range on those HML's, -1 midslot.

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Why are these particular ships necessary?

If they are doing that, then by all means, do it. But the problem with that is that the amarr may be losing it's diversity.
Still it's far less worse than having no cap AT ALL. I'll want to hear from CCP about it to believe it though.

LP prices are too high..a navy bs hull for only 25k lp more then a navy bc hull. 75k would make sure these hulls stay at a fair and balanced price. The way its set up now it puts navy bc prices at right around 200mil.

Edit-Command ship hulls are in the mid 200's so why would I buy a navy bc hull. Every other navy hull is just over twice the price of its normal variant with the exception of the frigs. That would put the target average price for navy bc hulls at about 160mil.

Why? Because CCP is accommodating a subset of players. There were many players that raged and still rage about the BC nerf. The boats they have been wanting either back or have never gotten are now provided. This somewhat satisfies the bitter pilots who wanted their old Hurricane back, raged about the Drake nerf, hate that worthless armor rep bonus on the Brutix, and gives the Amarr Pilots a BC with a glorious 5th Mid. The boats will be more expensive but they probably hope that it will stop the constant whining they hear from us about the "great BC Nerf." Pretty smart really.

Slightly less dps with scourge, but 33% more dps with non-kinetic ammo and a damage application bonus that might let it use furies efficiently in PvP, instead of just the same old faction ammo.

I see it differently, now we have two versions of the drake that are not worth flying.

Well then you are blind. The Drake does seem to be very strong and will do signif more damage than the prenerf Drake to frigates. Which means nano-Drake is back with a vengeance. The Harbinger made out well too. Only the Brutix and Hurricane are terribub. CCP has it out for Minmatar. Still! I do not approve or disapprove of these ships.


- killz

But those guys deserve to be unhappy, because they're dumb.

Errr.... You people do realize that this Navy Harb got an additional mid slot and more grid, right? So you can fit a cap booster in addition to your old fit. And last I checked, cap booster > no booster in PvP. So this is much much better than the cap bonus. But I'm sure if you whine and cry enough they can swap the tracking bonus for your old cap bonus, and then you can fit a tracking computer in the mid to get your tracking... :-/

Back in the day Ivy League actually taught players not to be complete idiots. What happened?

So go and get your hard on for the new proposed Raven which is getting a 7th mid slot and put your old passive tank on that, sheesh.

You are arguing from a perspective outside the context of the game.

Inside the game, these new ships do very little to expand combat. They are extremely redundant and under-powered in terms of price.

You are arguing for the addition of anything of that cannot realistically have a significant effect on the meta, just because it's *new*.

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Why are these particular ships necessary?

You run out of cap with a standard Harbinger if you do anything more than just fire the lasers. Even a long point tips you over that edge. It's a laser ship, you can't expect it to be permanently cap stable whilst running everything.

In order for Amarr to have a valid laser ship that could continue to fight for longer than brief bursts without using any cap booster it would need a hell of a lot more than a 50% bonus to laser usage. Now don't get me wrong, I'd like to see one Amarr ship capable of this.

But for the meantime, I'd much rather have an Amarr ship that isn't an Abaddon that has 2 bonuses to using it's weapons, rather than 1 bonus plus the ability to make it slightly easier to shoot.

If you going make it an old hurricane ad lest give us back power supply of old hurricane! Full 1350 power grid please!

Pretty sure I'd rather keep the cap bonus on the harbinger than gain a tracking bonus.

Wait, what? There would be more variety if it had the same bonus as the basic Harbinger? what in the actual hell are you on about? Do you realise what variety means?

I'm fully aware that the Harbinger has a 10% cap bonus for lasers, that is my point in it's entirety. The Navy Harbinger is rightfully different, it offers a different twist on the ship to the T1 version. It's great that the faction versions aren't just mirroring the T1 bonuses with more HP like Navy ships used to.

But, wouldn't an explosion velocity bonus be better then an explosion radius bonus? After all the explosion still has to expand to it's outermost limits regardless, and if it's doing that at the same speed as always, doesn't that mean that something using speed tank won't still effectively 'dodge' some of it? whereas, with the explosion velocity bonus, it would more directly equate to a 'tracking speed' style bonus in that it would be more likely to defeat a speed tank.

Floydy, Amarr gunboats SHOULDN'T have to deal with crippling cap bonuses that require a bonus to use the guns in the first place! May was referring to how the cap reduction bonus frees up the ship's capacitor for more options, but the ship itself still suffers from having that gun usage bonus in the first place.

We're all suffering from the delusion that amarr ships with cap usage bonuses are ok because we've had to put up with it since the game's inception! That doesn't make it right, it just makes them wrong for turning a blind eye to an easily solvable problem for so long.

I support this sentiment. Sure, it's nothing new, but the old cane was a Faction ship in disguise. But I mean, old-old cane. Pre-every nerf. That was a faction cane. If we're going back to an old cane, at least give us the Cane that was King. The other Faction BC's (FBC's) seem to be more competitive than Old School Cane.

At current it doesn-¦t look like these navy battlecruisers support links? is this correct?

I asked the question, we don't know. It would be nice to have an explicit answer on this one.

But I'm going to assume no unless they say otherwise.

I have to agree about the HFI. It's just dull. It's the Hurricane we used to have and no real difference from the standard issue. Don't get me wrong. It's nice and all but just dull.

I say give it an extra turret and drop one of the damage bonuses for a falloff bonus. The SFI already has the tracking bonus. We don't need a bigger SFI but we don't have a fleet issue AC Kiter

EDIT: and no, the SFI isn't that great at being a kiter. It suits brawling so much better

I support this sentiment. Sure, it's nothing new, but the old cane was a Faction ship in disguise. But I mean, old-old cane. Pre-every nerf. That was a faction cane. If we're going back to an old cane, at least give us the Cane that was King. The other Faction BC's (FBC's) seem to be more competitive than Old School Cane.

Why would anyone use the standard hurricane over the navy one.

To me, the Navy Drake looks like the Tier 3 BC missile sniper that never was.

And after a year of playing, it doesn't seem quite as awesome as I thought it would when I first wanted one.

Why would anyone use the standard hurricane over the navy one.

Congrats, you'll have a drake that can kill cruisers and perhaps take on frigates.

But last time I checked, 8 launchers with no bonus is lower DPS than 6 launchers with 50% bonus when using the correct ammo.

Hurray, you can use EM/explosive ammo now, and still do less DPS than the recently nerfed drakes.

I'm missing the OP part....

Are you trying to troll? Non kinetic drake went from 7 to a sub cruiser grade 6.

This is a very good offence oriented NAVY DRAKE, I am concerned about its EM resist hole.

While i like the idea of a FIscythe treatment for the FIcane, some difference should be made. Otherwise you just dilute the incentive to fly the FIscythe.

How about focussing them more on a support function. For example the old scythe had a bonus on Tracking Links.
I imagine them equal to their t1 counterpart in a one on one but when they are part of a small gang, the whole gang profits from their presence.

boosting the strengths of their own race:
FIcane: tracking link
NIbrutix: remote sensor boosters
NIharbinger: cap transfer
NIdrake: remote eccm

or maybe countering the strengths of the opposite race:
FIcane: cap transfer
NIbrutix: remote eccm
NIharbinger: tracking links
NIdrake: remote sensor booster
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DRAKE NAVY ISSUE:

Unwilling to imitate our dear friend Victor by creating a Drakenstein monster, the Navy version focuses on flexibility instead of improving the already good raw firepower and tank of the standard Drake. It has a 10% missile velocity and 5% missile explosion radius bonus per level, 8 launchers and improved mobility.

GÇó Caldari Battlecruiser skill bonuses: +10% to heavy missile and heavy assault missile velocity and 5% bonus to explosion radius of heavy missile and heavy assault missile per level
GÇó Slot layout: 8 H, 6 M, 4 L, 0 turrets, 8 launchers
GÇó Fittings: 880 PWG, 550 CPU
GÇó Defense (shields / armor / hull) :7875 / 4875 / 5625

lol rage rage cry cry cry. guess what scum of the universe, its amarr time, all you other races had your years of awesome pwning pvp, now its amarr time biatch!

look forward to killing many navy hurricanes with new navy harbinger!

The regular Brutix has 7 turret slots.. can you please confirm the change to 6 or if this is a typo?

HURRICANE FLEET ISSUE

Over its regular version, this ship has 8 high slots, two utility slots, slightly more mobility and fittings, while the role itself doesnGÇÖt change. Kind of reminds us of something, but what could that be? Memory must be playing tricks on us.

How the hell does Brutix have more low slots than the Harbi.... can someone explain that to me?
Also the prices from the devblog are just hilarious.

It's just not worth the price of admission over the standard 'Cane. It also seems like a lazy cop out after the apparent thought that went into the other Navy BCs.

Because we finally have our dps + tracking BC for fleets! But yeah, need more T2/Faction Myrm hulls out there (instead of them all being Brutix huls).

but why brutix and not myrmidon?

These seem fair but not op. Cant wait to see that serpentis myrmidon u got planned ;-)

Can you tell us why you chose the brutix instead of the myrm? The brutix already has the Eos and astarte. I know the myrms a drone boat, but come on, that really sucks :( I dont mind if you give it hybrid weaps instead of drones for the navy version, just give the gallente the same hull treatment :(

Serpentis myrmidon....

Faction ships aren't supposed to be cost effective, Einstein.

You can make Myrm like this:

+10% turret damage
+10% drone damage

100/175 for drones (200 dronehold is too big)
7 hi slots, 7 turrets

else is pretty same

Minmatar Hurricane:
drop the launchers.
Since they are un-bonused, nobody will use them and that means the Hurricane will have TWO utility highs instead of ONE like all other races (DNI has none, Caldari forgot about that, apparently).

Faction ships aren't supposed to be cost effective, Einstein.

+9001

Persoanlly, I like all the NBC's. Wasn't sure about the Harby not having a cap use bonus, but that 5th mid should help offset it's dependancy. At least all the fool's who begged for it's removal have finally got their wish.

Launchers!. Fitting will be a bit of a squeeze on that Drake. May require an impant or two... But the added bonuses are tastey.

The return of the Welpcane. I was hoping for something special on it, something unique. But I can see a lot of people are happy to see it's return. And it will always be a solid layout.

The Brutix? Really? Nice stats, but I was hoping for a Myrm. Fingers crossed for the eventual Pirate versions... (Unless you can fit the Myrm skin in here and use the tier 3 hulls for the Pirates... Now that has potential.)

CCP Ytterbium is there not a concern over their tank being better than most battleships?
Btw love the brutix its kind of what people want the T1 brutix to be like...
also a little concerned the drake will basically replace the old drake .. yes slightly more expensive but null sec alliances are short of isk..

The Frutix has some very nice stats, and could well serve as low-SP option for small armor gangs. Tracking bonus is damn sweet <3

However I strongly oppose these awful camo paint jobs. Please, please design proper color schemes for the navies, cheap jungle camo is an insult to these ships.

And now you have to make Eos use the Myrm hull as base :)

pff
so exactly how this will replace the drake? not that the drake is used that much
it has lower dmg and tank , for better range and speed ,so pls tell us

im guessing they all have the command link bonus like T1 ?....
the brutix will surely obsolete the mega same tank almost same slots and much more mobile.....

I don't quite understand what niche these things are supposed to fill

Looking at the lp prices they will end up costing almost as much as a command ship and.. Well i don't see why you would get a slightly buffed up hurricane when you can get a sleipnir for the same price =/

All in all these ships seem rather redundant and boring, not really adding any significant value.

For those who just joined EVE, navy hulls mainly offer improved performance over regular tech1 ships. They can be acquired at your nearest navy or Factional Warfare (FW) militia friendly store if you donGÇÖt feel like obtaining them through other players on the regular market.

Well the faction Brutix is going to cost a lot more than a Mega.

Well the faction Brutix is going to cost a lot more than a Mega. So yes on stats alone it will potentially obsolete a Megathron, you know in the same way that the Proteus has obsoleted pretty much every Gallente ship on the game. I've never seen any Gallente pilot not flying a Proteus.


Love the amount of confusion these ships are causing. The amount of completely contrary posts saying these ships are under/over powered is hilarious!

The confusion means CCP has done their job correctly. It is almost a perfect balance because noone really knows which way this is going to swing.

But....... But....... But....... I want a navy Myrmidon.......

it has more tank than the raven ......... much better projection and tracking.....

All of these are great, except for this:

The Brutix Faction variant is un-needed. All the other ships are previous Tier 2 ships, and therefore have no Tech 2 variant.

Faction Myrmidon needs to be the Faction choice, as the Brutix faction will suffer in the same way as the Stabber-> Stabber Fleet -> vagabond conundrum.

Svo.