Drake NI is slightly tankier raw HP wise, BUT has a worse resist profile, and no option to fit 2nd LSE.
Drake NI is slightly faster by about 140m/s with MWD on, and about 13m/s with MWD off.
Drake NI has less kinetic dmg than drake, but more damage in other types, with slightly better missile velocity and exp. radius.

Maybe I fail at fitting the Drake NI, and I'm 'doing it wrong' but it looks like the trade-off isn't really worth the price difference to me. Drake NI is slightly more flexible than drake in terms of damage type and speed, with a very slightly better align time, but not really straight up better than the Drake.

Meh. Anyone point out where I'm wrong, and I'll be happy to change my mind.

Navy drake doesn't really need a second web (or a TP for that matter) in my opinion. It's a good deal faster than the old drake and the dual missile bonus makes it able to hit out a lot farther and do significantly more damage to small targets anyways; even if something that you webbed counterwebs you and starts to pull range, you should be able to kill him before overheated warp disruptor range runs out.

There is also a slight error in your tank calculations, as the drake resist bonus is getting nerfed to 4% per level in Odyssey, which after Level 5 gang bonuses (NOT warfare links, just the passive 10% shield amount; who flies without someone in squad command anywhere?) means:
EHP: 78,708 vs 65,864 with 3 tackle mods each
94,419 vs. 80,857 with 3 tank mods each

I also feel that you're underestimating the ability to change to a perfect damage type whenever, instead of being nearly locked into that kinetic trap the standard drake has. Shooting a 2x EANM Navy Brutix with rage HAM for example, the old drake does a maximum of 203 raw HP/s while the navy drake with explosive ammo is able to manage 248 HP/s. It's a similar story against a Talos or a lot of other T1 shield tankers where navy drake is able to pound into that EM hole without losing damage. It is true that this isn't always the case, but these mostly concern Amarr armor tankers and the obvious T2 minmatar kinetic hole and I think in practice the N Drake should be able to apply more damage to its targets.

1- WHY ?

ISK SINK
Did you saw PLEX price inflation? TO MUCH ISK on the market
Pre-Nerf Cane for 150M no problem for zillion isk players.

I like the iteration of the Harby.

A Blaster myrm would be better, Brutix hull must sell?

Drake .. ??? rage hams better applied DPS.. kiting ... keep in mind rage shorter range..

Cane - micro oven - HNI

this might be the appropriate place for this question...

but can someone clarify for me:


If I have bc5 andonly gal cruiser4, min cruiser 5?

Will i be grandfathered into caldari battlecruiser 5 and ammar battlecruiser 5 ? Or will i have to train cal cruiser and ammar cruiser to 3?

This isnt so important for Soul-on-ice but I have an alt currently training bc5 without the cruiser skills. And according to eve mon its gonna be a close call.

this might be the appropriate place for this question...

but can someone clarify for me:


If I have bc5 andonly gal cruiser4, min cruiser 5?

Will i be grandfathered into caldari battlecruiser 5 and ammar battlecruiser 5 ? Or will i have to train cal cruiser and ammar cruiser to 3?

This isnt so important for Soul-on-ice but I have an alt currently training bc5 without the cruiser skills. And according to eve mon its gonna be a close call.

this might be the appropriate place for this question...

but can someone clarify for me:


If I have bc5 andonly gal cruiser4, min cruiser 5?

Will i be grandfathered into caldari battlecruiser 5 and ammar battlecruiser 5 ? Or will i have to train cal cruiser and ammar cruiser to 3?

This isnt so important for Soul-on-ice but I have an alt currently training bc5 without the cruiser skills. And according to eve mon its gonna be a close call.

I have an idea. Scrap the new navy BCs and give us back our canes.

OP ships are bad for overall game balance... Even morons are capable of understanding this

No they are not, if they were caple of understanding this point internet forums would be really boring.

Canes were never OP in the first place. I wish forums would not be filled with idiots who simply spout of talking points, and repeat lines that are not based in fact

Canes were never OP in the first place. I wish forums would not be filled with idiots who simply spout of talking points, and repeat lines that are not based in fact

The cane was OP first of since it was a teir 2 battle cruiser they were all good, 2nd it had been desgned to be able to fit artillery which the game designers caused to cost to much fitting, so when cane pilots switched ot autocannons they had ton of fitting left, 3rd it had my 6 guns equal your 7 or eight and take no cap, so it had 2 aux slots with fitting and cap to uses them, 4th it Minnie so it was the quickest, 5th it had the most reliable useful wep system (capless, significant damage projection,even when not the best at a range, and damage selectable) , 6th it had a true flexibility to shield tank or armor tank.

All these added up to to make it the best of the best class in the game (at least until the potentially overpowered teir 3 BC).

The only question will the already nerfed to blanced ship be forced to a lower rung by the TE nerf ?


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If we pretend that half of the former BCs never existed, then yes, cane was fine. Why do you need different ships when you can just fit a Cane in different ways and be capable of engaging pretty much anything any other CBC can engage, while being less predictable for your target still? You weren't wtfpwn'ing anything with a cane maybe, but it's not what defines being OP, it's just extreme case of OPness which cane (or pretty much any ship at the moment) wasn't.

If you think that the original cane was not op, you're bad and you should feel bad.

It had nothing to do with "talking points" it had everything to do with over the top slot numbers, mobility, and fitting potential.

Canes have no projection. Yes they were fast, but that was about it. Drakes smashed canes. The cane like all mini ships suffer from projection issues massively. Cane was never OP.

Why was the cane OP? Explain this to me? It used AC's. Which have no projection... past 22K. The cane was pretty fast I give you that, but what is the point? Shield AC fit, it didn't have the DPS to fight an armor brawler, and didn't have the projection to really kite effectively. Armor fit the cane was not fast enough to catch shield BC's that kited the **** out of it. It had weaknesses no matter what- like most ships. You just have to know how to fight / fly against it.

In fact I have a youtube video of myself (in a Caracal navy issue), an armor cane, zealot and drake taking on and killing 5 canes and a drake. the only thing we lost was our armor cane. So I don't understand your point? Other than you most likely have no PvP experience and are talking out of your butt like 99% of the eve online forum goers. The sad thing is, CCP actually listens to the masses. Even if the masses are filled with pvp morons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYElqXIuI28

Im not kidding.

Wow your an idiot.

Canes have no projection. Yes they were fast, but that was about it. Drakes smashed canes. The cane like all mini ships suffer from projection issues massively. Cane was never OP.

If you're going to call someone else an idiot, the least you could do is use the proper version of "you're". Otherwise it makes you look like an idiot, too.