Scorch... in and of itself, very isolated case, and has no real immediate bearing to this topic as we aren't discussing ammo but the guns that use it. Pulse lasers do not need to be balanced in regards to them using Scorch crystals, 'nuff said.

Gun "balance" he says .. How about this mr gun balance

YOU CANNOT FIT 8 MEGA BEAM IIs on an APOC and an armor repairer ... Go to Duality fit ship ... DOESN'T FIT


Rokh can fit 8 425s and a XL shield rep ... WTB "Balance" please


Oh and that is with MAX fitting skills ...

And what the point of this ? If your ship is more effective with 2ACR, why should it be able to fit the guns without the ACR ?

Isn't the abaddon a better ship for your job for example ?

What about the cap life of this Rokh BTW ? I bet it's not even half of your apoc !

as for Mega Beams vs 425's... the proper comparison is with Tachyons. They are in the Large Beam Laser grouping, ergo, they are not (flavor text to the contrary) actually an "over-sized mod". These beam lasers were always intended to be fit to Battleships, and as such when the largest long range turrets of the other races are held up for comparison, the proper Beam Laser to use is the Tachyon.

@Regolis
I don't care about the name of your weapon, I want actual fits to made a comprehensive comparison : something which make sense in the actual game we play, because obviously none of you care about comparing relevant thing between themselves and stoped at the "my ship is too difficult to fit, that's unfair" observation.

[Translation]
I don't care about lasers or balance I want railguns buffed.
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I don't understand why you're even in this area of the forums ... take it to the Gallente are awesome area and let those of us that actually use lasers and Amarr ships to find a balance ... at no point have I been irrational about a balance point ... I just want some parity .. if my gun is going to do the same damage as yours .. it shouldn't take 50% more grid and 3x the power

I don't understand why you're even in this area of the forums ... take it to the Gallente are awesome area and let those of us that actually use lasers and Amarr ships to find a balance ... at no point have I been irrational about a balance point ... I just want some parity .. if my gun is going to do the same damage as yours .. it shouldn't take 50% more grid and 3x the power

You know, I hid Bouh's comments, but when I get bored, I click on one, hoping it'll add some clarity to his arguments, or let me understand his point of view.

Nope.

Could you actually read what I write please ? It's boring.

I already said it : I don't want railguns to be buffed, because they are in a good place. I only want them to not lose their place because of selfish amarr carebears.

Yes it should take more PG and more cap to use beams than railguns. That's life in EVE, deal with it. If you want to know why, just look at the stats of your ships.

Know, if you actually want to discuss the proportions of the cap and PG beams need, through a fit, so we can actually have a base to discuss on. I won't do it, because 1) you don't care about what I write ; 2) I'm not good at pve fitting ; If you show me fit, I'll actually be able to work on it and see the problem.

I'm here to help, because you are unable to build a constructive argumentation, based on facts which matter, to prove that beams need less fitting, if they do.

I bolded the important part. So you don't know how to fit ships. Yet your keep talking about ship fitting? An intelligent person would just remain silent.

With a 20% cap buff, things get better, but keep in mind this is with all skills level 5- I shouldn't need a max skillpoint character to run level 4 missions.

...Amarr Victor ?

What's with all the mission arguments .. balance it for PvP and it will automatically work for PvE as the former pushes the boundaries a lot more.

Amarr Victor .. with one fitting mod, seven (7!) cap mods and a nonexistent tank? Might work if you have aggro control in all rooms down pat but that T1 repairer wont stand a chance otherwise

and that is what I'm trying to push into CCPs head. Cap draw is obscene when it takes 6 (with cap implants) or 7 (without) rigs/mods to sustain a decent amount of cap management while dual repping (because we can't use rigs to improve a single repper as we need the cap stability to fire all 8 lasers and permarun the 1 repper, making us throw on a second emergency repper to pick up the balance...)

That doesn't make sense : despite all these modules dedicated to cap and fitting, your ship will better better than the others !!!

What the **** are you smoking?

What the **** are you smoking?