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duduk
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Posted - 2005.09.21 00:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Sadist
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Mega - great sniper/top damage dealer/nice tank
Domi - top solo battleship
Thorax - top cruiser ingame since I can remember.
Ishkur/Enyo - both top assualt frigates
Moros - damn how many have we seen ingame already. probably the most versitile dread ingame.
Obelisk - 2nd largest capacity
Deimos - top damage dealer
Ishtar - top solo HAC
Iteron Mark V - best industrial.
Mega - worst tank of all tier 2 bs, except tempest, damage is is also 3rd worst, due to the most tanked dmg types. Tempest is as good of a sniper.
Thorax - not much better than any 1600mm platecruiser, esp. maller
Ishkur, Enyo - Ishkur is mediocre at best, Enyo is equal with harpy.
Domi - worst BS to fit, horrible DPS without top skills.
HAC's - no argument here.
The rest are uncommon ships.
Umm, the _best_ ship? Hardly. Some situations take the best pilot on a mega to even keep up with the worse fitted tier 2 BS.
I see 1 Caldari ship on your list.
Thorax is the top cruiser hands down. Have you tried a Caracal with a 1600mm plate?..right, exactly. I didn't bring up this list to start a fleet ****ing match. I brought it up because as a Gallente you have options. 1v1's are rare in eve. You are basing your facts on 1v1s why should we nerf a ship on such a rare encounter?
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Ginger Magician
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Posted - 2005.09.21 09:57:00 -
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Edited by: Ginger Magician on 21/09/2005 09:58:43
This sure raised a lot of interest didnt it - it must be my name at the top
What i would say after reading through all of this is that its pretty clear that the raven cant be beat at close quarters by any other bs atm.Most of the posters saying the raven is not the best are caldari alts and characters who are specilaised for caldari bs and are scared it will be nerfed as it surely has to be.
For example DUDUK is an alt of a character in minmatar marines safid gorbet's corp and as most will know they r both caldari specialists.Its interesting to note that most of the posters who agree with me regarding the mega are well known pvpers who although i dont most of them personally i know of them through word of mouth and reputation and they have posted here not out of spite but with genuine opinions that deserve to be listened to.Well lets hope ccp take some notice otherwise its gonna be raveneve again pretty soon
Roll on the next patch
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.21 10:11:00 -
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Ginger:
1) You aren't the best pilot ever in EVE okay?
2) Just because you lost to a Raven doesn't mean Ravens are imbalanced, it's okay for a Caldari ship to win now and then, despite CCPs efforts to make sure this never happens, deal with it.
3) Blaster setups are not exactly the most practical of PvP setups in EVE, so you lost a 1v1 ****ing contest, get over it. The guy could have majorly tanked up kinetic/thermal for all you know, do you even know?
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Waut
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Posted - 2005.09.21 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician
Shield is now far too good compared to armor tanking.
You got to be kidding 
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duduk
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Posted - 2005.09.21 10:44:00 -
[185]
Edited by: duduk on 21/09/2005 10:44:10
Originally by: Ginger Magician
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 21/09/2005 09:58:43
This sure raised a lot of interest didnt it - it must be my name at the top
What i would say after reading through all of this is that its pretty clear that the raven cant be beat at close quarters by any other bs atm.Most of the posters saying the raven is not the best are caldari alts and characters who are specilaised for caldari bs and are scared it will be nerfed as it surely has to be.
For example DUDUK is an alt of a character in minmatar marines safid gorbet's corp and as most will know they r both caldari specialists.Its interesting to note that most of the posters who agree with me regarding the mega are well known pvpers...
..not all agreed with you. only the ones that actually fly Megas which is hardly a non biased oppinion.
...and no I'm not in safid blah blah corp. I'm in a corp that likes to take over regions 
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.09.21 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 21/09/2005 11:01:09
Originally by: Ginger Magician
What i would say after reading through all of this is that its pretty clear that the raven cant be beat at close quarters by any other bs atm.Most of the posters saying the raven is not the best are caldari alts and characters who are specilaised for caldari bs and are scared it will be nerfed as it surely has to be.
So, um, why does it have to be nerfed, again? Reread your blaster description: it says it's the most powerful TURRET class. Also, the mega is not a one-trick horse like the raven - in addition to using blasters,it can fit for long range and doesn't have to worry about its target warping out before the shots from its 425's reach the target. Hell, as someone already mentioned, you can even fit one with mining lasers and be far and away more effective than a raven.
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For example DUDUK is an alt of a character in minmatar marines safid gorbet's corp and as most will know they r both caldari specialists.Its interesting to note that most of the posters who agree with me regarding the mega are well known pvpers who although i dont most of them personally i know of them through word of mouth and reputation and they have posted here not out of spite but with genuine opinions that deserve to be listened to.Well lets hope ccp take some notice otherwise its gonna be raveneve again pretty soon
Roll on the next patch
Right...because ravens are effective at long range when the target can just warp out before the missiles hit.
Go get a raven and fly it in PvP - you'll find it sucks at any range but short if your opponent has even the slightest inkling of what he's doing. Also, you'll find it sucks against cruisers and frigates at any range - the only exception to this is a cruiser with its MWD active.
In contrast, a mega with 425's is very much a credible threat at long range.
EDIT: BTW, someone do a DPS comparison between the blasterthron and the torp raven, please.
-Wrayeth
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Doomdutch
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Posted - 2005.09.21 14:10:00 -
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I like it when no good pilots instead of working up their skills and/or improving their fittings just scream the NERF alerty everytime they get beaten up by a Caldari ship. It's not because CCP nerfed it once (which was needed) that they will do it again everytime a whinny user like Ginger isn't happy. Come on, man! Fit 3 Gravimetric Jammers, we'll see how a Raven does after that. Use your brains.
Oh Nos!!! A Raven can kill another Raven, we'll have to nerf it! Hell, let's make a Raven unable to kill a shuttle. More hell! Let's make sure a Raven can't undock! It's the only way to make sure. Ginger, just become a better pilot and stop ******* whinning!
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.21 14:16:00 -
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My blinged out t2 Siege Raven with torps does ~720 DPS, and that's with dread gurista ballistics.
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Ginger Magician
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Posted - 2005.09.21 14:21:00 -
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Maxed skilled pilots in megathrons cannot beat average raven pilots - we not talking about tank ceo here u know - these r guys with a few millions sps in missiles and caldari bs 4 - god knows what facing a maxed skilled pilot would be like.If thats balance im a not a redhead
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.21 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician
Maxed skilled pilots in megathrons cannot beat average raven pilots - we not talking about tank ceo here u know - these r guys with a few millions sps in missiles and caldari bs 4 - god knows what facing a maxed skilled pilot would be like.If thats balance im a not a redhead
ginger you never answered my question.
how was the raven you fought tanked?
if his midslots were 2x thermal 2x kinetic 1 xl sb and 1 boost amp, duh, you can't really win, he is way tanked out against your guns.
the pvp viability of that setup with gankageddons around, zero
before you call a nerf, could you please enlighten us how this nub raven defeated the grandmaster of eve?
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Ginger Magician
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Posted - 2005.09.21 14:37:00 -
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I dont reply to caldari lovers and thread hijackers sorry
When u made 3000 kills let me know
then we can discuss things ok
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.21 14:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Raynor on 21/09/2005 14:41:56
Originally by: Ginger Magician
I dont reply to caldari lovers and thread hijackers sorry
When u made 3000 kills let me know
then we can discuss things ok
rofl..
damn dude can i be like you when i grow up? i hope to be the bestest player in eve ever as well k?
retard.
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Dimitri Forgroth
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Posted - 2005.09.21 14:47:00 -
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This thread has made my day a few times now.. it's quite astonishing.
Originally by: HippoKing
YES! i am in antoher person;s sig
/marks it off
taking over the world one sig at a time \o/
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Farjung
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Posted - 2005.09.21 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: Farjung on 21/09/2005 14:54:16
Haha, despite concerted efforts to turn this thread into something useful, it just wouldn't happen.
Anyway. Of course a specifically-fitted blasterthron can kill a generally-fitted raven, and vice-versa. In the general v general case, I think the raven has the slight edge, but it's not that extreme. My tech II blaster fitted general-purpose blasterthron can still fairly comfortably kill my alt's level 4 skilled, arbalest fitted general-purpose raven as long as the first shot is fired within 8-10 km, though I'm pretty certain that when I get her missile skills up to the same level as my gunnery skills I'll be in trouble unless I start using a specific fitting. And her engineering skills are slightly lacking at the moment as well, so there's room for improvement there as well.
With anecdotal evidence from both sides of the fence with people saying how their blasterthrons have owned multiple ravens, and vice-versa, it's probably fair to say the truth lies somewhere in the middle and the balance isn't completely out of whack. If the raven pilots stay away from the tracking disruptors and the mega pilots stay away from the smartbombs everyone should get along fine  .
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.09.21 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician
I dont reply to caldari lovers and thread hijackers sorry
When u made 3000 kills let me know
then we can discuss things ok
I have 3001 kills. Will you reply to me?
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.09.21 16:38:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Ginger Magician
I dont reply to caldari lovers and thread hijackers sorry
When u made 3000 kills let me know
then we can discuss things ok
Credibility, RIP
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taking over the world, one sig at a time |
Hot Space
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Posted - 2005.09.21 19:06:00 -
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Lol
normally i don't read this but a corp member of me pointed to this.
Ginger you must be the baddest looser ever.
You gank newbies in shuttles,frig, ... with your uber Mega full with TLII but when we take revenge is some decent combat you just start a topic about the raven is nerfed up.
Comme'n men just learn to loose and stop to be pathtetic and play the game m8
and fyi you can type what you want i don't follow this up or i will have compassion with you.
it's just game my friend
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Elrathias
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Posted - 2005.09.21 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor
Edited by: Jim Raynor on 21/09/2005 14:41:56
Originally by: Ginger Magician
I dont reply to caldari lovers and thread hijackers sorry
When u made 3000 kills let me know
then we can discuss things ok
rofl..
damn dude can i be like you when i grow up? i hope to be the bestest player in eve ever as well k?
retard.
SIGNED.
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Stockarian
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Posted - 2005.09.21 19:49:00 -
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Sounds like a clear cut case of the "waaaahhh, I just got waxed by a noob and I don't have to take it cause I think I'm the best syndrome"
Get a life you loser.
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Nira Li
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Posted - 2005.09.21 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician
I dont reply to caldari lovers and thread hijackers sorry
When u made 3000 kills let me know
then we can discuss things ok
well I killed a raven in my thorax after cold war patch, wanna talk?
You Will Cry My Name_________
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rig0r
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Posted - 2005.09.21 20:47:00 -
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Lol its another Ginger - I like to make myself look like an idiot - Magician thread
So you lost your BS to a real opponent after gatesniping 50 indies. Buhuhuuu.
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DTM2752
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Posted - 2005.09.21 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician
I dont reply to caldari lovers and thread hijackers sorry
When u made 3000 kills let me know
then we can discuss things ok
lol.
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Cuisinart
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Posted - 2005.09.21 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dreez
OK, iŠll try to explaining why the Raven beats the blasterthron.
First Round :
The Raven does not need tracking which meens that its
torps will always hit for full damage besides the resist.
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A Blasterthrons guns are dependent on tracking and to be
really really upclose, being that close will screw up your
tracking if youŠre going in a to high transversal.
Second Round :
Ravens also does not need to have an MWD equipped to do its
job and therefor always have more cap to tank with, it also
never have to use its cap for anything else then tank
which leaves the ravenpilot able to focus on which torp is
doing the most dmg.
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The Blasterthron is forced to use MWD and webb, which
cuts its medslots down to 2. This resulting in only 2 slots
to use for either scrambler, sensorbooster, Injector or caprechargers.
Blasterthrons also have to spend their allready weakened cap
into 3 ! areas which covers 1: Navigatiing, 2: Defense, 3: Offense.
Round 3 :
As mentioned in the previous round, the raven can fit a
very decent tank while also fitting a full rack of nasty
launchers. Try fitting a full rack of neutrons and a decent
tank on the blasterthron without sacrifising all Mags.
Round 4 :
Raven covers all 4 dmgtypes which is a huge advantage in
1on1s since you will always do your max dmg. Blasterthrons
however, are left with Kin/Therm which the shields allready
has good resistance to.
Did i forget anything, or do i need to stick it in your eyes
so you can see that blasterthrons needs some godforsaken work
from TomB & Co to be the CQC-ship its ment to be.
Anyone that does not, i dare you to proove me wrong.
Well said
Vision without action is a daydream
Action without vision is a nightmare |
MolRob
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Posted - 2005.09.21 22:45:00 -
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buy a raven, join the club
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Dreez
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Posted - 2005.09.21 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: Dreez on 21/09/2005 23:09:04
Edited by: Dreez on 21/09/2005 23:08:12
Originally by: MolRob
buy a raven, join the club
There will be a cold day in h3ll before i take a raven into
combat. Raven is teh n00bship,comes with the description:
"Requires almost no skill - just press Teh win button"
Originally by: Soros
I saw a friend take down an atuk raven with his blasterthron.
don't whine....
Even a blind chicken can find a corn everynow & then..
I might have ATUK in my tag, but i have OC in my DNA
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Megadon
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Posted - 2005.09.21 23:10:00 -
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Edited by: Megadon on 21/09/2005 23:09:54
Originally by: Ginger Magician
Maxed skilled pilots in megathrons cannot beat average raven pilots - we not talking about tank ceo here u know - these r guys with a few millions sps in missiles and caldari bs 4 - god knows what facing a maxed skilled pilot would be like.If thats balance im a not a redhead
Bullsh1t
[[Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
I thought EVE would require dedication and long term planning. I could never dream that the third ship I piloted would be the end of the line.]]
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duduk
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Posted - 2005.09.22 01:15:00 -
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Edited by: duduk on 22/09/2005 01:16:47
Edited by: duduk on 22/09/2005 01:15:45
Originally by: Dreez
Raven is teh n00bship,comes with the description:
"Requires almost no skill - just press Teh win button"
I think Dreez is Gingers alt
No matter how many 'teh' you put in your statement you still sound like a -----
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Tigerclaw1987
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Posted - 2005.09.22 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Dreez
There will be a cold day in h3ll before i take a raven into
combat. Raven is teh n00bship,comes with the description:
"Requires almost no skill - just press Teh win button"
what buttons that agen
serious note: if everything was so "balanced and perfect" ther wudnt be eny fun? or challenge in it  and u wud get bored very quikly
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Jalonan
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Posted - 2005.09.22 02:42:00 -
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G > lol
G > even at these odds
G > F****** H***
G > that indy is tougher than a bs
G > ccps r sucj idiots
G > how can an indy tank a bs
G > that is stupididty
G > its tanking me easily
G > not even a contest
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Ginger Magician
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Posted - 2005.09.22 02:47:00 -
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Imagine me in a raven
Would noobs not like that
and i dont just kill shuttles if u check this thread i also made the statement that i have the most solo bs kills in the game - a fact which no one challenged me on actually.
The fact remains that shield tanked ships have a huge advantage and apart from the tempest which is an average shield tanker at best no gallente or amarr bs can sheild tank at all so they have no chance. Dont bring the stupid dom into this either - that is a ship useful only in very particular situations there is no way u can say it is a general combat bs as compared to the rest
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