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Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
920
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:27:00 -
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if goons were paid to post in this thread it'd be 100 pages by now
we don't want white noise posts: we want to hammer home the point that Darius III has seen the screenshot of riverini admitting he was the leaker (he quoted a post after it) and has had no response. His silence is deafening. |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
920
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:30:00 -
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Darius III is unable to defend himself, has realized his error since in the process of trying to lie about what happened he's admitted it was an NDA breach, and I suspect we won't see him ever address the riverini quote |

Kazanir
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
314
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:31:00 -
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non judgement wrote:I'm just curious of how important it was and if it is indeed something that CCP is concerned about. Since I haven't really seen anything from CCP talking about it. I might have missed it tho.
They won't comment on it either way, although it seems likely that they don't give a damn. This issue had kind of quieted down until Darius made this post, wherein he repeatedly lied and made stuff up to try to defend himself. Kind of funny how those things work out. |

digi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:35:00 -
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I'll bite on this.
1. Ganking in high sec is allowed. 2. Manipulating the market is allowed. 3. Scamming is allowed. 4. This is not "abusing a position" as the game mechanics AND rules set forth by CCP allow it. 5. There is nothing in the rulebook to say that a CSM representative cannot play the game as CCP intended. 6. If you had an ounce of gumption, you could do the same thing.
If you really want a public inquiry about something, then inquire why Darius III is leaking protected information to Riverni. THIS is against the rules. The skype channel is protected. The questions you should be asking:
1. Darius III leaked. It's admitted. Some people think its trivial. What else was leaked? 2. Did isk change hands between Darius III and Riverni? 3. Darius III has admitted that he knew the Skype channel was NDA'd. Why does he not save what's left of his dignity and resign his CSM position?
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Barakkus
827
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:42:00 -
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I'm still trying to figure out when goons became relevant to the game again. |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
920
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:43:00 -
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digi the guy you're posting at is the one who bought an aeon using mittani as a third party and was dissatisfied with the level of service provided |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
920
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:43:00 -
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oh wait, wrong guy, I meant just another toon
nm |

eggbort
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:47:00 -
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When I was on trial for murder the curious case of a lowercase j saw me cleared of all the charges. Good call defense-wise OP I mean that seriously |

digi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:47:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:oh wait, wrong guy, I meant just another toon
nm
I would have laughed if it was the same person. |

Aase Nord
Vikinghall
12
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:50:00 -
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I know one thing for shure..... I dont trust goons |

Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
65
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:52:00 -
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Aase Nord wrote:I know one thing for shure..... I dont trust goons
Good thing you don't have to trust them and can instead use your own faculties of reasoning to establish your own opinion like an educated, civilized human being.
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Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
239
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Posted - 2011.10.18 15:54:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:if goons were paid to post in this thread it'd be 100 pages by now
we don't want white noise posts: we want to hammer home the point that Darius III has seen the screenshot of riverini admitting he was the leaker (he quoted a post after it) and has had no response. His silence is deafening. Wow I go take a shower and my "silence" is "deafening." Looks like another fanboi to me. Kiss kiss Weaselior
I don't see anywhere where anyone "admitted" anything.
I can assure you 100% that I had no problems bringing this up. I would think if I were guilty (I am not) I would just have let it be.I had the realization that coming out with everything I had could potentially make it look as if I had something to hide. Weighed against keeping my silence, I chose to come forward and assert the truth. I went to all relevant parties and asked them to turn over any and all information to CCP.
PS: Weaselior-would it be ok if I went to the store in a few minutes and the car wash after that? A bit later today I also will be gone for several hours. Hopefully that wont send you looking for a team of otorhinolaryngologists. (thats Ear Doctor btw) If Women aren't supposed to do the cooking, why are their bodies full of milk and eggs? |

Signal11th
121
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Posted - 2011.10.18 16:01:00 -
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digi wrote:I'll bite on this. 1. Ganking in high sec is allowed. 2. Manipulating the market is allowed. 3. Scamming is allowed. 4. This is not "abusing a position" as the game mechanics AND rules set forth by CCP allow it. 5. There is nothing in the rulebook to say that a CSM representative cannot play the game as CCP intended. 6. If you had an ounce of gumption, you could do the same thing. If you really want a public inquiry about something, then inquire why Darius III is leaking protected information to Riverni. THIS is against the rules. The skype channel is protected. The questions you should be asking: 1. Darius III leaked. It's admitted. Some people think its trivial. What else was leaked? 2. Did isk change hands between Darius III and Riverni? 3. Darius III has admitted that he knew the Skype channel was NDA'd. Why does he not save what's left of his dignity and resign his CSM position?
1: unknown, baseless accusation, maybe something maybe nothing 2: see above 3: This is starting to feel like a witch-hunt,let CCP decide it's for them to decide.
I'm starting to get the feeling (completely unfounded of course) that this is a seemingly concerted effort by certain people to get a CSM stand-in/delegate(reputedley very anti the people accusing him) booted out of position.
This is for CCP to sort out not us, I would advise against resigning until CCP's position is clarified.
Just to counter my seemingly anti-goon approach if you have been caught with your fingers in the cookie jar Darius you should have a word with the rep from CCP and act accordingly. At least that way if it goes any further you can come away from it with a modicum of respect. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |

0August0
Gooch Unlimited
9
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Posted - 2011.10.18 16:01:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:But accusing someone of the CSM of setting you up is unprofessional at best.
Accusing someone of being unprofessional in a video game? That's like accusing him of not taking a joke seriously. Are you gonna call him a coward next?
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digi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.18 16:06:00 -
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Signal11th wrote:digi wrote:I'll bite on this. 1. Ganking in high sec is allowed. 2. Manipulating the market is allowed. 3. Scamming is allowed. 4. This is not "abusing a position" as the game mechanics AND rules set forth by CCP allow it. 5. There is nothing in the rulebook to say that a CSM representative cannot play the game as CCP intended. 6. If you had an ounce of gumption, you could do the same thing. If you really want a public inquiry about something, then inquire why Darius III is leaking protected information to Riverni. THIS is against the rules. The skype channel is protected. The questions you should be asking: 1. Darius III leaked. It's admitted. Some people think its trivial. What else was leaked? 2. Did isk change hands between Darius III and Riverni? 3. Darius III has admitted that he knew the Skype channel was NDA'd. Why does he not save what's left of his dignity and resign his CSM position? 1: unknown, baseless accusation, maybe something maybe nothing 2: see above 3: This is starting to feel like a witch-hunt,let CCP decide it's for them to decide. I'm starting to get the feeling (completely unfounded of course) that this is a seemingly concerted effort by certain people to get a CSM stand-in/delegate(reputedley very anti the people accusing him) booted out of position. This is for CCP to sort out not us, I would advise against resigning until CCP's position is clarified. Just to counter my seemingly anti-goon approach if you have been caught with your fingers in the cookie jar Darius you should have a word with the rep from CCP and act accordingly. At least that way if it goes any further you can come away from it with a modicum of respect.
Not baseless. You've seen the screenshots. There are also full explanations posted on the web. This isn't a witch hunt.
The rest of the CSM should weigh in on this as Darius III basically accused all of them of setting him up. |

Barakkus
827
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Posted - 2011.10.18 16:25:00 -
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digi wrote: Not baseless. You've seen the screenshots. There are also full explanations posted on the web. This isn't a witch hunt.
The rest of the CSM should weigh in on this as Darius III basically accused all of them of setting him up.
Yeah cuz screenshots are always just absolute proof of everything on the intert00bz...  |

Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
239
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Posted - 2011.10.18 16:25:00 -
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In all my time in forums I have never seen so many Goon propaganda posts from users with 0-3 "likes"
If I didn't take this seriously I would be LMAO. If Women aren't supposed to do the cooking, why are their bodies full of milk and eggs? |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
922
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Posted - 2011.10.18 16:28:00 -
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Darius III wrote:Weaselior wrote:if goons were paid to post in this thread it'd be 100 pages by now
we don't want white noise posts: we want to hammer home the point that Darius III has seen the screenshot of riverini admitting he was the leaker (he quoted a post after it) and has had no response. His silence is deafening. Wow I go take a shower and my "silence" is "deafening." Looks like another fanboi to me. Kiss kiss Weaselior I don't see anywhere where anyone "admitted" anything. I can assure you 100% that I had no problems bringing this up. I would think if I were guilty (I am not) I would just have let it be.I had the realization that coming out with everything I had could potentially make it look as if I had something to hide. Weighed against keeping my silence, I chose to come forward and assert the truth. I went to all relevant parties and asked them to turn over any and all information to CCP. PS: Weaselior-would it be ok if I went to the store in a few minutes and the car wash after that? A bit later today I also will be gone for several hours. Hopefully that wont send you looking for a team of otorhinolaryngologists. (thats Ear Doctor btw)
nice try, but you quoted a post after the riverini screenshot while ignoring it, so the "i was in the shower defense" doesn't work either
"i'm blind, I can't read the screenshot" is an improvement over your original defense, I suppose |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
922
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Posted - 2011.10.18 16:29:00 -
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so your brilliant defense, after thinking about it for a few hours, is "well I don't see it"
would you like some rope? or perhaps a shovel? |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
922
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Posted - 2011.10.18 16:32:00 -
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every idiot thinks they can talk themselves out of trouble and usually just talk themselves right into it instead, which is what darius "gee riverini seems like a reliable person to keep a secret" III has just discovered
remember kids, there's a reason lawyers tell you to keep your mouth shut |

Trainwreck McGee
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2011.10.18 16:37:00 -
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Seriously who gives a **** about the CSM and there grade school drama? CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |

Djakku
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
8
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Posted - 2011.10.18 16:46:00 -
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Innocent until speculated guilty by the histerical uneducated masses  |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
100
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Posted - 2011.10.18 16:49:00 -
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tl;dr anyone?
I'm getting this:
Accusation: Darius leaked NDA stuffs, somewhere on the intertoobs incontrovertible proof of text chatlogs and a screenshot exist (nothing linked).
Darius: Faek! I didn't do it. Goons plot?
Goons: Did so, and it's not a plot if it's true.
Darius: Nuh-uh.
Goons: Yes-Huh!
Everyone else: Meh?
Has anyone told Mom and Dad yet? This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |

supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
9
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Posted - 2011.10.18 16:52:00 -
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This has to be the worst defense I have ever seen. Also I would like to point out this is not me posting as I never use proper grammar on the forums, I never capitalize "I", and I never use full words. From this information we can conclude my account has been hacked, or should I say, this personGÇÖs account has been hacked and is being used by someone else. |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
924
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Posted - 2011.10.18 16:56:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:tl;dr anyone?
I'm getting this:
Accusation: Darius leaked NDA stuffs, somewhere on the intertoobs incontrovertible proof of text chatlogs and a screenshot exist (nothing linked).
Darius: Faek! I didn't do it. Goons plot?
Goons: Did so, and it's not a plot if it's true.
Darius: Nuh-uh.
Goons: Yes-Huh!
Everyone else: Meh?
Has anyone told Mom and Dad yet? the screenshot was linked in this thread you uneducated illiterate oaf |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
924
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Posted - 2011.10.18 16:57:00 -
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its only six pages its not like its hard to read |

Generals4
157
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Posted - 2011.10.18 16:58:00 -
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Well Darius III, next time you're going to defend yourself you'll need a bit more. I mean , the only thing weaker than the accusations is your defense. But since it's innocent until proven guilty i'm calling "BS" on all the accusations due to ridiculous 'evidence'. -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |

Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
65
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:00:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:tl;dr anyone?
No, the summary is that there has been put forward some substantive but inadequate evidence that he was leaking nda protected chat to someone not in the csm. He has since then proceeded to dig himself deeper with foolish statements attempting to counter it when he can and should ultimately just stfu and ignore because it is not adequate enough to allow ccp to kick him foir it.
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Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
924
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:01:00 -
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Generals4 wrote:Well Darius III, next time you're going to defend yourself you'll need a bit more. I mean , the only thing weaker than the accusations is your defense. But since it's innocent until proven guilty i'm calling "BS" on all the accusations due to ridiculous 'evidence'. once again, riverini has confirmed darius III was his source |

Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
589
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:03:00 -
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Signal11th wrote:digi wrote:I'll bite on this. 1. Ganking in high sec is allowed. 2. Manipulating the market is allowed. 3. Scamming is allowed. 4. This is not "abusing a position" as the game mechanics AND rules set forth by CCP allow it. 5. There is nothing in the rulebook to say that a CSM representative cannot play the game as CCP intended. 6. If you had an ounce of gumption, you could do the same thing. If you really want a public inquiry about something, then inquire why Darius III is leaking protected information to Riverni. THIS is against the rules. The skype channel is protected. The questions you should be asking: 1. Darius III leaked. It's admitted. Some people think its trivial. What else was leaked? 2. Did isk change hands between Darius III and Riverni? 3. Darius III has admitted that he knew the Skype channel was NDA'd. Why does he not save what's left of his dignity and resign his CSM position? 1: unknown, baseless accusation, maybe something maybe nothing 2: see above 3: This is starting to feel like a witch-hunt,let CCP decide it's for them to decide. I'm starting to get the feeling (completely unfounded of course) that this is a seemingly concerted effort by certain people to get a CSM stand-in/delegate(reputedley very anti the people accusing him) booted out of position. This is for CCP to sort out not us, I would advise against resigning until CCP's position is clarified. Just to counter my seemingly anti-goon approach if you have been caught with your fingers in the cookie jar Darius you should have a word with the rep from CCP and act accordingly. At least that way if it goes any further you can come away from it with a modicum of respect.
its a witchhunt in respect that justice needs be served not we are picking on poor goons, they are known for scamming people and making peoples live misery in eve, noobs most of all, they people we are trying to keep to make the game survive. Goons will destroy eve. Why would ppl stay and noobs continue the game, when they immediately get scammed when they start.?? They dont... But no CCP cant see this!
You should not be scamming and abusing your position of trust in anyway when on the CSM - Full stop. Goons are more than doing this, and their leader is the chair of the csm
the csm should be 'clean' they are supposed to be working for the greater good of the whole playerbase, they do not, they manipulate the game for themselves. Now they are in CSM they are abusing this position to further manipulate the game.
Its fact - deal with it.
You want to scam, step out.. no other country, group would accept that a person in any position that serves the players/public could openly scam them...!!! NO ONE! |
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