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Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
106
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:03:00 -
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digi wrote:Weaselior wrote:oh wait, wrong guy, I meant just another toon
nm I would have laughed if it was the same person.
I too would have laughed. |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
100
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:03:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:War Kitten wrote:tl;dr anyone?
I'm getting this:
Accusation: Darius leaked NDA stuffs, somewhere on the intertoobs incontrovertible proof of text chatlogs and a screenshot exist (nothing linked).
Darius: Faek! I didn't do it. Goons plot?
Goons: Did so, and it's not a plot if it's true.
Darius: Nuh-uh.
Goons: Yes-Huh!
Everyone else: Meh?
Has anyone told Mom and Dad yet? the screenshot was linked in this thread you uneducated illiterate oaf
I meant to go check for links before posting but forgot - terribly sorry to have sullied your reputation. :)
Still, chatlogs and a screenshot is proof? And what exactly was this leak?
I know CCP is slow to react, but one would think if there was any merit whatsoever to this stuff, CCP would have done something by now if its really been a few weeks.
This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |

Generals4
157
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:05:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Generals4 wrote:Well Darius III, next time you're going to defend yourself you'll need a bit more. I mean , the only thing weaker than the accusations is your defense. But since it's innocent until proven guilty i'm calling "BS" on all the accusations due to ridiculous 'evidence'. once again, riverini has confirmed darius III was his source
NVM, misread. -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
100
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:08:00 -
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Elise DarkStar wrote:War Kitten wrote:tl;dr anyone? No, the summary is that there has been put forward some substantive but inadequate evidence that he was leaking nda protected chat to someone not in the csm. He has since then proceeded to dig himself deeper with foolish statements attempting to counter it when he can and should ultimately just stfu and ignore because it is not adequate enough to allow ccp to kick him foir it.
Yeah, I picked up on that too. STFU was probably a better plan if there was a legitimate concern, but when it comes to being an attention hound, anything goes. I wouldn't put it past anyone involved to have manufactured it all just for something to troll about. This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |

Walter Stine
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
52
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:11:00 -
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Sign the petition to remove DariusIII here.
It more important now than ever after this blatant whitewashing. |

Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
65
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:12:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:I know CCP is slow to react, but one would think if there was any merit whatsoever to this stuff, CCP would have done something by now if its really been a few weeks.
You're half right. CCP has not said anything because it is not adequate enough for them to actually DO anything in actual legal terms (real life serious business stuff), so they are playing the smart card and just not referencing it at all.
However, there is enough substance there that players may care when it comes to voting time (imaginary spaceships not so serious business stuff), which is why I assume Darius started this thread in the first place when he could have just hid behind the fact that CCP has not outright kicked him.
I personally think it is important to evaluate the evidence for yourself if you might be voting for him in the next election should he decide to run. I personally will not be voting for him because of this.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
241
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:19:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Signal11th wrote:digi wrote:I'll bite on this. 1. Ganking in high sec is allowed. 2. Manipulating the market is allowed. 3. Scamming is allowed. 4. This is not "abusing a position" as the game mechanics AND rules set forth by CCP allow it. 5. There is nothing in the rulebook to say that a CSM representative cannot play the game as CCP intended. 6. If you had an ounce of gumption, you could do the same thing. If you really want a public inquiry about something, then inquire why Darius III is leaking protected information to Riverni. THIS is against the rules. The skype channel is protected. The questions you should be asking: 1. Darius III leaked. It's admitted. Some people think its trivial. What else was leaked? 2. Did isk change hands between Darius III and Riverni? 3. Darius III has admitted that he knew the Skype channel was NDA'd. Why does he not save what's left of his dignity and resign his CSM position? 1: unknown, baseless accusation, maybe something maybe nothing 2: see above 3: This is starting to feel like a witch-hunt,let CCP decide it's for them to decide. I'm starting to get the feeling (completely unfounded of course) that this is a seemingly concerted effort by certain people to get a CSM stand-in/delegate(reputedley very anti the people accusing him) booted out of position. This is for CCP to sort out not us, I would advise against resigning until CCP's position is clarified. Just to counter my seemingly anti-goon approach if you have been caught with your fingers in the cookie jar Darius you should have a word with the rep from CCP and act accordingly. At least that way if it goes any further you can come away from it with a modicum of respect. its a witchhunt in respect that justice needs be served not we are picking on poor goons, they are known for scamming people and making peoples live misery in eve, noobs most of all, they people we are trying to keep to make the game survive. Goons will destroy eve. Why would ppl stay and noobs continue the game, when they immediately get scammed when they start.?? They dont... But no CCP cant see this! You should not be scamming and abusing your position of trust in anyway when on the CSM - Full stop. Goons are more than doing this, and their leader is the chair of the csm the csm should be 'clean' they are supposed to be working for the greater good of the whole playerbase, they do not, they manipulate the game for themselves. Now they are in CSM they are abusing this position to further manipulate the game. Its fact - deal with it. You want to scam, step out.. no other country, group would accept that a person in any position that serves the players/public could openly scam them...!!! NO ONE!
File a fucking petition to CCP instead of crying about it on the forums if you honestly believe that CSM members should be constrained to a more limited set of rules in-game. |

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:22:00 -
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Somebody who can incite trolling in the Goons like Ankh-what's-her-name? You will get my vote next time, Darius. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |

Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
588
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:22:00 -
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Andski wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Signal11th wrote:digi wrote:I'll bite on this. 1. Ganking in high sec is allowed. 2. Manipulating the market is allowed. 3. Scamming is allowed. 4. This is not "abusing a position" as the game mechanics AND rules set forth by CCP allow it. 5. There is nothing in the rulebook to say that a CSM representative cannot play the game as CCP intended. 6. If you had an ounce of gumption, you could do the same thing. If you really want a public inquiry about something, then inquire why Darius III is leaking protected information to Riverni. THIS is against the rules. The skype channel is protected. The questions you should be asking: 1. Darius III leaked. It's admitted. Some people think its trivial. What else was leaked? 2. Did isk change hands between Darius III and Riverni? 3. Darius III has admitted that he knew the Skype channel was NDA'd. Why does he not save what's left of his dignity and resign his CSM position? 1: unknown, baseless accusation, maybe something maybe nothing 2: see above 3: This is starting to feel like a witch-hunt,let CCP decide it's for them to decide. I'm starting to get the feeling (completely unfounded of course) that this is a seemingly concerted effort by certain people to get a CSM stand-in/delegate(reputedley very anti the people accusing him) booted out of position. This is for CCP to sort out not us, I would advise against resigning until CCP's position is clarified. Just to counter my seemingly anti-goon approach if you have been caught with your fingers in the cookie jar Darius you should have a word with the rep from CCP and act accordingly. At least that way if it goes any further you can come away from it with a modicum of respect. its a witchhunt in respect that justice needs be served not we are picking on poor goons, they are known for scamming people and making peoples live misery in eve, noobs most of all, they people we are trying to keep to make the game survive. Goons will destroy eve. Why would ppl stay and noobs continue the game, when they immediately get scammed when they start.?? They dont... But no CCP cant see this! You should not be scamming and abusing your position of trust in anyway when on the CSM - Full stop. Goons are more than doing this, and their leader is the chair of the csm the csm should be 'clean' they are supposed to be working for the greater good of the whole playerbase, they do not, they manipulate the game for themselves. Now they are in CSM they are abusing this position to further manipulate the game. Its fact - deal with it. You want to scam, step out.. no other country, group would accept that a person in any position that serves the players/public could openly scam them...!!! NO ONE! File a f ucking petition to CCP instead of crying about it on the forums if you honestly believe that CSM members should be constrained to a more limited set of rules in-game.
Awww booo hooo - go crying to mummy cos we upsetting poor little goonie pubbie... whahahhaaaaaa
Oh an petition has already been raised...if you bothered to follow the threadnaught....
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
100
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:24:00 -
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Elise DarkStar wrote:War Kitten wrote:I know CCP is slow to react, but one would think if there was any merit whatsoever to this stuff, CCP would have done something by now if its really been a few weeks. You're half right. CCP has not said anything because it is not adequate enough for them to actually DO anything in actual legal terms (real life serious business stuff), so they are playing the smart card and just not referencing it at all. However, there is enough substance there that players may care when it comes to voting time (imaginary spaceships not so serious business stuff), which is why I assume Darius started this thread in the first place when he could have just hid behind the fact that CCP has not outright kicked him. I personally think it is important to evaluate the evidence for yourself if you might be voting for him in the next election should he decide to run. I personally will not be voting for him because of this.
So there's evidence, but it's of questionable use and validity.
But if enough people believe it, it will be true?
Yeah, that's probably enough to sink a future political career in serious internet spaceships games.
Mittens is somehow involved in this conversational evidence, and he's not shy about posting. What's his official position? This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |

WhyTry1
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:28:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:Elise DarkStar wrote:War Kitten wrote:I know CCP is slow to react, but one would think if there was any merit whatsoever to this stuff, CCP would have done something by now if its really been a few weeks. You're half right. CCP has not said anything because it is not adequate enough for them to actually DO anything in actual legal terms (real life serious business stuff), so they are playing the smart card and just not referencing it at all. However, there is enough substance there that players may care when it comes to voting time (imaginary spaceships not so serious business stuff), which is why I assume Darius started this thread in the first place when he could have just hid behind the fact that CCP has not outright kicked him. I personally think it is important to evaluate the evidence for yourself if you might be voting for him in the next election should he decide to run. I personally will not be voting for him because of this. So there's evidence, but it's of questionable use and validity. But if enough people believe it, it will be true? Yeah, that's probably enough to sink a future political career in serious internet spaceships games. Mittens is somehow involved in this conversational evidence, and he's not shy about posting. What's his official position?
his position? is probably adjacent to vile rat, spit roasting hilmar... yeah thats it...
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Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
65
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:34:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:So there's evidence, but it's of questionable use and validity.
But if enough people believe it, it will be true?
You'll have to make your own evaluation and opinion.
I know that sucks, sorry. :P:P
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Darkil
Sons of the Confederacy V O I D
5
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:35:00 -
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I personally think that they shouldn't be held to any extra rules. If they were then we would never know what they were really like or what their agenda is. Acting like they are now without any extra restrictions you now know who you will and will not vote for next time. Why should the game be any different than RL. I mean in RL politicians promise the world and then usually go back on it and deliver nothing but crap. EvE = sandbox. Quit complaining about it, get more people to vote next time but untill then play, have fun and get some sand in your shoes.
Edit spelling |

Darkil
Sons of the Confederacy V O I D
5
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:37:00 -
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Above post does not include NDA info |

Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
106
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:46:00 -
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The one are two anti-goons are derailing this thread. 
Darius its kind of dumb when you say you don't do x (leave proper nouns uncapitalized) and then in your provided link you can be seen doing just that.
Enjoy your last term as CSM. |

Ilkahn
United Aerospace Co-op
3
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:52:00 -
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Elise DarkStar wrote:[quote=War Kitten] I personally will not be voting for him because of this.
*Pulls out candidate flyer* *Has band playing with confetti flying through the air*
I'm sure i'll have a cabinet post available. Maybe a job with concord? You want a fix for "pharmaceuticals" entering hi sec for humanitarian aid ? I'm sure we can work this out...
*Shakes hand and walks quickly away* *Two brute thugs approach* "You wanna this hot dog?" |

Kazanir
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
319
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Posted - 2011.10.18 18:00:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:I meant to go check for links before posting but forgot - terribly sorry to have sullied your reputation. :)
Still, chatlogs and a screenshot is proof? And what exactly was this leak?
I know CCP is slow to react, but one would think if there was any merit whatsoever to this stuff, CCP would have done something by now if its really been a few weeks.
Chatlogs and a screenshot aren't proof, but the chatlogs were posted by Riverini -- the person to whom the leak was made, and then he admitted that his source was Darius in a later post. My screenshots were taken directly from k*gutsumen.com (sorry word filter) and I gave the post numbers so anyone can go read them -- the posts in question were also made by Riverini, who runs EveNews24 and who was the recipient of the leak.
The leak in question wasn't really "sensitive CCP material" which is what the NDA is supposed to protect, but the entirety of the CSM Skype channel is supposed to be protected by NDA no matter what, which is why people are up in arms about it. Additionally, that Skype channel has seen leaks before and so this incident naturally makes everyone suspect Darius of those leaks as well. |

Barakkus
828
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Posted - 2011.10.18 18:01:00 -
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Ilkahn wrote: "You wanna this hot dog?"
Thanks for picking my lunch for me, I was having a hard time deciding. |

Ilkahn
United Aerospace Co-op
3
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Posted - 2011.10.18 18:11:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:Ilkahn wrote: "You wanna this hot dog?" Thanks for picking my lunch for me, I was having a hard time deciding.
*Thugs hold out relish and mustard* "Youz looks like good peoples, enjoyz.... and remember who yous votin for" |

Prince Kobol
55
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Posted - 2011.10.18 18:13:00 -
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I'm still waiting for somebody to tell me why we should care? |

Piranhas
Unchained Potential Test Alliance Please Ignore
11
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Posted - 2011.10.18 18:16:00 -
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Darius III wrote: :damagecontrol:
HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE
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ArmyOfMe
TEDDYBEARS. Excuses.
29
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Posted - 2011.10.18 18:23:00 -
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:Goons:
CCP, for the love of god boost the deimos..... |

Dunbar Hulan
The Flaming Sideburn's Art of War Alliance
13
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Posted - 2011.10.18 18:33:00 -
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Good God almighty, Storm in a tea cup., Handbags at dawn, mind numbing childish drama from the CSM. Look at the who's on the CSM, PL-Goons and Brick squad, yup- decent balance of the eve community right there. If that lot want to tittle tattle at each other then let them, nowt to do with me. Looks like like a load of crap that the majority of us don't even care about. There it is. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
241
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Posted - 2011.10.18 18:34:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Awww booo hooo - go crying to mummy cos we upsetting poor little goonie pubbie... whahahhaaaaaa
Oh an petition has already been raised...if you bothered to follow the threadnaught....
are you a mentally challenged toddler? because really, you call a whine thread where most of the replies are people mocking you a "threadnaught" and you expect CCP to bother with your petition beyond a canned "We will investigate this but we can't share the results with you" reply where they don't act on it beyond that.
also learn to post with your main |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
938
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Posted - 2011.10.18 18:48:00 -
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Andski wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Awww booo hooo - go crying to mummy cos we upsetting poor little goonie pubbie... whahahhaaaaaa
Oh an petition has already been raised...if you bothered to follow the threadnaught....
are you a mentally challenged toddler? because really, you call a whine thread where most of the replies are people mocking you a "threadnaught" and you expect CCP to bother with your petition beyond a canned "We will investigate this but we can't share the results with you" reply where they don't act on it beyond that. also learn to post with your main
his main gave mittani 12b isk for an aeon I think he wants to try to sweep that under the rug |

Evelyne Durant
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.18 18:53:00 -
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To be frank, i voted for you, just because i liked the way you fooled people to get that CSM position, thus proving the CSM is a joke.
My vote strengthens that position, so you understand i would only vote for you again if you actually breached the NDA and fooled everyone into believing you did not.
Don't let me down D3!
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Barakkus
829
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Posted - 2011.10.18 19:06:00 -
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Honestly, CCP should have never done this CSM ****. They should do what everyone else in the industry does.
Hand pick testers to do closed betas of expansions from the community to also give feedback when needed. Let people sign up for beta testing once the beta test is past a critical NDA stage then pick people from there that can be trusted with more sensitive information. Finally do open betas after that on SISI of up coming expansions. Have more communication of potential changes via devblogs.
Hand pick some forum moderators to not only moderate the forums but bring useful things to the developer's attention.
Get one community rep that is responsible for overseeing the moderators AND monitor the forums for anything useful.
Pick some people from the forum community for feedback on non-NDA stuff, you could even let it be voted on. Let them provide feedback for the community, but for god's sake don't give them NDA material. That way you get less NDA garbage leaking (if any at all) and you get useful feedback without the stupid childish **** like the CSM is now. |

Dalketh
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.10.18 19:08:00 -
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Kazanir wrote:non judgement wrote:You fools, the only reason the Skype stuff is NDA is there would be a chance they would talk about NDA covered information.
It's completely pointless worrying about NDA covering Skype when nothing important was leaked. It's only incase there was something was leaked. He could've being talking about what he had for dinner the night before. As long as there was no actual leak of information the NDA is a moot point, if all we hear is what he had for dinner. The background to this whole sordid story is that previously there had been a number of leaks from that CSM Skype channel on various topics, and Darius III was suspected. Vile Rat and Mittani baited him into this as a way of getting Darius to expose himself and it worked pretty well! Also, no, Goonswarm members are not being paid to post in this thread. If I wanted to I could get them to threadnought it, but that really isn't necessary since the evidence speaks for itself! :)
Interesting though how much YOU claim to know about it... which naturally we should accept as the truth while at the same time accept that Darius is lying. Nice.
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Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
946
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Posted - 2011.10.18 19:15:00 -
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darius have some dignity and stop posting with obvious alts |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
946
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Posted - 2011.10.18 19:15:00 -
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i know that is a darius alt because of how hilariously weak that argument is |
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