yeah u mad

Not that I particularly care, but linking the most reputable and non-politcally affiliated news site doesn't help your case too much.

Your case is a lower case "m"?

Should have kept silent methinks, chat logs are never evidence baby.

If there really was a breach of NDA, I would have thought that CCP should have reacted by now. Since you still seem to have the white CSM tab on your name, I suggest that people should take notice of that, rather than believing anything else. I might be wrong, because I don't know how long these things take to get resolved. Also, shouldn't this be mostly handled by CCP offically and not like this on these forums. Or are you looking for a reply, by someone at CCP, backing up your claims?

Now they have wardecced my Alliance and sent down fleets numbering 500+ pilots to take our space. Sounds like 'They Mad Bro'

no one cares what the alternates do, trust me.

So you are saying that vile rat or the mittani took the time to make fake chat logs. Because straight up anyone that has any dealings with them in any depth either good or bad knows that is simply not their style. Its far beneath them, very amateur and not something they would pull.

Why did you wait so long to post this ?

The 'evidence' that people use claiming I broke the NDA shows my innocence. The alleged leak shows the name"mittani" in chatlogs. Notice the lowercase 'm'? If you have ever had a discussion with me in any chat-take note that I always capitalize peoples names, locations etc.

[...]

Why would someone do this, you may ask? Well it is public knowledge that I am Goons public enemy #1 ever since I trolled them regarding "Freeport Delve".
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/09/23/meta-gaming-darius-iii-brix-deceives-goonswarm-leadership-into-buying-the-fall-of-delve-amidst-propaganda-war/

n++[ 2011.09.23 00:17:48 ] Darius III > and first line is anagram never going to give you up
n++[ 2011.09.23 00:17:50 ] riverini > never going to give up?
n++[ 2011.09.23 00:18:03 ] riverini > GÇ£Veggie Voyeur Goon InputGÇ¥
n++[ 2011.09.23 00:18:06 ] Darius III > yes yes and look at line 11 never going to let you down
n++[ 2011.09.23 00:18:11 ] Darius III > lol yeah
n++[ 2011.09.23 00:18:55 ] riverini > how do u know goons swallow it?
n++[ 2011.09.23 00:19:43 ] Darius III > They mailed their people yesterday
n++[ 2011.09.23 00:19:51 ] riverini > can u send me that
n++[ 2011.09.23 00:19:51 ] riverini > haha
n++[ 2011.09.23 00:19:56 ] Darius III > I brokered the deal with mittani and vile rat and mr vee
n++[ 2011.09.23 00:20:12 ] Darius III > I cant send it
n++[ 2011.09.23 00:20:33 ] riverini > http://www.evenews24.com/2011/09/22/raw-intel-brick-squad-to-open-access-to-all-their-stations-in-delve-agrees-to-run-the-delve-new-thunder-dome-no-word-yet-on-rawr-or-ev0ke/
n++[ 2011.09.23 00:20:34 ] riverini > THIS?
n++[ 2011.09.23 00:20:35 ] Darius III > I dont have but I heard and saw snippets
n++[ 2011.09.23 00:21:24 ] Darius III > lol yeah
n++[ 2011.09.23 00:21:26 ] Darius III > nice

n++[ 2011.09.23 00:18:55 ] riverini > how do u know goons swallow it?
n++[ 2011.09.23 00:19:43 ] Darius III > They mailed their people yesterday
n++[ 2011.09.23 00:19:51 ] riverini > can u send me that
n++[ 2011.09.23 00:19:51 ] riverini > haha
n++[ 2011.09.23 00:19:56 ] Darius III > I brokered the deal with mittani and vile rat and mr vee
n++[ 2011.09.23 00:20:12 ] Darius III > I cant send it

n++[ 2011.09.23 00:19:56 ] Darius III > I brokered the deal with mittani and vile rat and mr vee

mittani

Since I had done nothing wrong-I assumed there would be no repercussions.

I was kind of wondering if I am an alt? Since I was a delegate at the Monoclegate summit, am I no longer an alt?

PS: I still hav ethe ships you gave me in Jita when you quit-hit me up if you need them back D3

n++[ 2011.09.23 00:20:12 ] Darius III > I cant send it

I have not seen these chatlogs but chatlogs prove nothing since everybody can fake something like that to descredit anyone.

I do find it interesting that squarely point your finger at Vile Rat in regards to any possible wrongdoings. Vile Rat has shown during the whole debate around Golden Scorpions right before the whole NeX Golden Ammo Rage that he doesn't really know of/cares about/comprehend some aspects of EVE or his job in the CSM, especially after he flip-flopped his way through the discussion, so I am not a big fan of him.

However if you accuse another CSM of this directly you'd better be able to back that up.

Also: InB4 300 Goonies/Testies get ordered to post here. D3

Why would someone do this, you may ask? Well it is public knowledge that I am Goons public enemy #1

ever since I trolled them regarding "Freeport Delve".

The 'evidence' that people use claiming I broke the NDA shows my innocence. The alleged leak shows the name"mittani" in chatlogs. Notice the lowercase 'm'? If you have ever had a discussion with me in any chat-take note that I always capitalize peoples names, locations etc.

I have been accused of breaking the Non Disclosure Agreement that I signed when I was elected CSM. I will be addressing that accusation in this thread and hopefully shed some light on what really happened.

At no time did I ever leak anything to anyone. I have never shared NDA protected Skype logs, nor any information therein nor have I shared anything from the CSM official forums. In fact I do not answer many questions from corp members, friends or any media unless I am 110% certain that my answer is NDA safe.

The 'evidence' that people use claiming I broke the NDA shows my innocence. The alleged leak shows the name"mittani" in chatlogs. Notice the lowercase 'm'? If you have ever had a discussion with me in any chat-take note that I always capitalize peoples names, locations etc.

Obviously the evidence is not substantial enough to require legal action in terms of nda contract breach. However, it is more than substantial enough that many people will never vote for Darius again. People need to look at the actual evidence and make their own decision whether it is adequate enough for them to influence their voting.

Obviously the evidence is not substantial enough to require legal action in terms of nda contract breach. However, it is more than substantial enough that many people will never vote for Darius again. People need to look at the actual evidence and make their own decision whether it is adequate enough for them to influence their voting.

Obviously the evidence is not substantial enough to require legal action in terms of nda contract breach. However, it is more than substantial enough that many people will never vote for Darius again. People need to look at the actual evidence and make their own decision whether it is adequate enough for them to influence their voting.

Not that I particularly care, but linking the most reputable and non-politcally affiliated news site doesn't help your case too much.

Furthermore, Riverini himself admitted that you were his leak. This is a screenshot of him admitting that you leaked CSM material to him:

http://i.imgur.com/z1IRo.jpg

This image is a screenshot from k.com, post number 307987. In it, Riverini admits that you leaked to him "Mittens [sic] desperate attempts", i.e. the Skype chatlog.

This.

Also: Is it true that GS are getting 5 M Isk per post ITT ?

Actually the imagine shows Riverini saying "Nothing really, maybe just Mittens desperate attempts".
What was actually leaked?

I think the NDA is for actual information that CCP would deem of some value.

Actually the imagine shows Riverini saying "Nothing really, maybe just Mittens desperate attempts".
What was actually leaked?

I think the NDA is for actual information that CCP would deem of some value.

darius III already admitted the CSM skype channel is NDA protected

Just so we are in the clear on this..What exactly has Darius leaked? If he has leaked information in regards to upcoming patches/nerfs/buffs/pertinent to EVE infrastructure then fair enough but if it's just chat bullshit in a SKype channel about Mit's and things I would find this rather sad and pathetic.

Not trying to troll just after the specifics.

What i would like to see is, the evidence? What was leaked? How it was leaked and the evidence to prove it was D3.

Thats all

darius III already admitted the CSM skype channel is NDA protected

You fools, the only reason the Skype stuff is NDA is there would be a chance they would talk about NDA covered information.

It's completely pointless worrying about NDA covering Skype when nothing important was leaked. It's only incase there was something was leaked. He could've being talking about what he had for dinner the night before. As long as there was no actual leak of information the NDA is a moot point, if all we hear is what he had for dinner.

Here is a screenshot of Riverini quoting his leak from the CSM Skype chat:

http://i.imgur.com/P7Z4a.jpg

This image is a screenshot of a post on k.com (k*gutsumen for those unfamiliar) and the post number is 307848 for anyone who wants to check it. In this screenshot, Riverini quotes his leak. The leaker writes, "Mittens says he is trolling you somehow" and then proceeds to paste 3 lines of Skype chat where "mittani" is uncapitalized. But the leaker himself did in fact capitalize "Mittens", which you claim to always do. The part that says "mittani" is the name from the leaked chatlog, not the writing of the leaker himself. (Flak Magnet above me has also pointed this out.)

Furthermore, Riverini himself admitted that you were his leak. This is a screenshot of him admitting that you leaked CSM material to him:

http://i.imgur.com/z1IRo.jpg

This image is a screenshot from k.com, post number 307987. In it, Riverini admits that you leaked to him "Mittens [sic] desperate attempts", i.e. the Skype chatlog.

Your attempts to defend yourself leave something to be desired. :)

see kazanir's post last page

Hmm i dont see any proof here of anything...

The background to this whole sordid story is that previously there had been a number of leaks from that CSM Skype channel on various topics, and Darius III was suspected. Vile Rat and Mittani baited him into this as a way of getting Darius to expose himself and it worked pretty well!

Also, no, Goonswarm members are not being paid to post in this thread. If I wanted to I could get them to threadnought it, but that really isn't necessary since the evidence speaks for itself! :)

I'm just curious of how important it was and if it is indeed something that CCP is concerned about. Since I haven't really seen anything from CCP talking about it. I might have missed it tho.

I think there needs to be a public enquiry into the antics of goonswarm CSM members. Along with this

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=22324&find=unread

issue, then looks to me Goons are manipulating the game and abusing their position..

Will CCP do anything? Hmmm lets see...

oh wait, wrong guy, I meant just another toon

nm

I know one thing for shure.....
I dont trust goons

if goons were paid to post in this thread it'd be 100 pages by now

we don't want white noise posts: we want to hammer home the point that Darius III has seen the screenshot of riverini admitting he was the leaker (he quoted a post after it) and has had no response. His silence is deafening.

I'll bite on this.

1. Ganking in high sec is allowed.
2. Manipulating the market is allowed.
3. Scamming is allowed.
4. This is not "abusing a position" as the game mechanics AND rules set forth by CCP allow it.
5. There is nothing in the rulebook to say that a CSM representative cannot play the game as CCP intended.
6. If you had an ounce of gumption, you could do the same thing.


If you really want a public inquiry about something, then inquire why Darius III is leaking protected information to Riverni. THIS is against the rules. The skype channel is protected. The questions you should be asking:

1. Darius III leaked. It's admitted. Some people think its trivial. What else was leaked?
2. Did isk change hands between Darius III and Riverni?
3. Darius III has admitted that he knew the Skype channel was NDA'd. Why does he not save what's left of his dignity and resign his CSM position?

But accusing someone of the CSM of setting you up is unprofessional at best.

1: unknown, baseless accusation, maybe something maybe nothing
2: see above
3: This is starting to feel like a witch-hunt,let CCP decide it's for them to decide.

I'm starting to get the feeling (completely unfounded of course) that this is a seemingly concerted effort by certain people to get a CSM stand-in/delegate(reputedley very anti the people accusing him) booted out of position.

This is for CCP to sort out not us, I would advise against resigning until CCP's position is clarified.

Just to counter my seemingly anti-goon approach if you have been caught with your fingers in the cookie jar Darius you should have a word with the rep from CCP and act accordingly. At least that way if it goes any further you can come away from it with a modicum of respect.

Not baseless. You've seen the screenshots. There are also full explanations posted on the web. This isn't a witch hunt.

The rest of the CSM should weigh in on this as Darius III basically accused all of them of setting him up.

Wow I go take a shower and my "silence" is "deafening." Looks like another fanboi to me. Kiss kiss Weaselior

I don't see anywhere where anyone "admitted" anything.

I can assure you 100% that I had no problems bringing this up. I would think if I were guilty (I am not) I would just have let it be.I had the realization that coming out with everything I had could potentially make it look as if I had something to hide. Weighed against keeping my silence, I chose to come forward and assert the truth. I went to all relevant parties and asked them to turn over any and all information to CCP.

PS: Weaselior-would it be ok if I went to the store in a few minutes and the car wash after that? A bit later today I also will be gone for several hours. Hopefully that wont send you looking for a team of otorhinolaryngologists. (thats Ear Doctor btw)

tl;dr anyone?

I'm getting this:

Accusation: Darius leaked NDA stuffs, somewhere on the intertoobs incontrovertible proof of text chatlogs and a screenshot exist (nothing linked).

Darius: Faek! I didn't do it. Goons plot?

Goons: Did so, and it's not a plot if it's true.

Darius: Nuh-uh.

Goons: Yes-Huh!

Everyone else: Meh?

Has anyone told Mom and Dad yet?

tl;dr anyone?

Well Darius III, next time you're going to defend yourself you'll need a bit more. I mean , the only thing weaker than the accusations is your defense. But since it's innocent until proven guilty i'm calling "BS" on all the accusations due to ridiculous 'evidence'.

1: unknown, baseless accusation, maybe something maybe nothing
2: see above
3: This is starting to feel like a witch-hunt,let CCP decide it's for them to decide.

I'm starting to get the feeling (completely unfounded of course) that this is a seemingly concerted effort by certain people to get a CSM stand-in/delegate(reputedley very anti the people accusing him) booted out of position.

This is for CCP to sort out not us, I would advise against resigning until CCP's position is clarified.

Just to counter my seemingly anti-goon approach if you have been caught with your fingers in the cookie jar Darius you should have a word with the rep from CCP and act accordingly. At least that way if it goes any further you can come away from it with a modicum of respect.

I would have laughed if it was the same person.

the screenshot was linked in this thread you uneducated illiterate oaf

once again, riverini has confirmed darius III was his source

No, the summary is that there has been put forward some substantive but inadequate evidence that he was leaking nda protected chat to someone not in the csm. He has since then proceeded to dig himself deeper with foolish statements attempting to counter it when he can and should ultimately just stfu and ignore because it is not adequate enough to allow ccp to kick him foir it.

I know CCP is slow to react, but one would think if there was any merit whatsoever to this stuff, CCP would have done something by now if its really been a few weeks.

its a witchhunt in respect that justice needs be served not we are picking on poor goons, they are known for scamming people and making peoples live misery in eve, noobs most of all, they people we are trying to keep to make the game survive. Goons will destroy eve. Why would ppl stay and noobs continue the game, when they immediately get scammed when they start.?? They dont... But no CCP cant see this!

You should not be scamming and abusing your position of trust in anyway when on the CSM - Full stop.
Goons are more than doing this, and their leader is the chair of the csm

the csm should be 'clean' they are supposed to be working for the greater good of the whole playerbase, they do not, they manipulate the game for themselves. Now they are in CSM they are abusing this position to further manipulate the game.

Its fact - deal with it.

You want to scam, step out.. no other country, group would accept that a person in any position that serves the players/public could openly scam them...!!! NO ONE!

File a fucking petition to CCP instead of crying about it on the forums if you honestly believe that CSM members should be constrained to a more limited set of rules in-game.

You're half right. CCP has not said anything because it is not adequate enough for them to actually DO anything in actual legal terms (real life serious business stuff), so they are playing the smart card and just not referencing it at all.

However, there is enough substance there that players may care when it comes to voting time (imaginary spaceships not so serious business stuff), which is why I assume Darius started this thread in the first place when he could have just hid behind the fact that CCP has not outright kicked him.

I personally think it is important to evaluate the evidence for yourself if you might be voting for him in the next election should he decide to run. I personally will not be voting for him because of this.

So there's evidence, but it's of questionable use and validity.

But if enough people believe it, it will be true?

Yeah, that's probably enough to sink a future political career in serious internet spaceships games.

Mittens is somehow involved in this conversational evidence, and he's not shy about posting. What's his official position?

So there's evidence, but it's of questionable use and validity.

But if enough people believe it, it will be true?

[quote=War Kitten]
I personally will not be voting for him because of this.

I meant to go check for links before posting but forgot - terribly sorry to have sullied your reputation. :)

Still, chatlogs and a screenshot is proof? And what exactly was this leak?

I know CCP is slow to react, but one would think if there was any merit whatsoever to this stuff, CCP would have done something by now if its really been a few weeks.

"You wanna this hot dog?"

Thanks for picking my lunch for me, I was having a hard time deciding.

:damagecontrol:

Awww booo hooo - go crying to mummy cos we upsetting poor little goonie pubbie... whahahhaaaaaa

Oh an petition has already been raised...if you bothered to follow the threadnaught....

are you a mentally challenged toddler? because really, you call a whine thread where most of the replies are people mocking you a "threadnaught" and you expect CCP to bother with your petition beyond a canned "We will investigate this but we can't share the results with you" reply where they don't act on it beyond that.

also learn to post with your main

The background to this whole sordid story is that previously there had been a number of leaks from that CSM Skype channel on various topics, and Darius III was suspected. Vile Rat and Mittani baited him into this as a way of getting Darius to expose himself and it worked pretty well!

Also, no, Goonswarm members are not being paid to post in this thread. If I wanted to I could get them to threadnought it, but that really isn't necessary since the evidence speaks for itself! :)

Personally whenever you see a swarm of goons yapping endlessly on the forums about something, simply ask yourself "what's in it for them?", and you usually have your answer.

So what are they after....?

1) The destruction of Darius with slander?
2) Justice and making Eve a better place?***

*** FYI #2 made me laugh so hard I almost spat tea on my keyboard lol

Personally whenever you see a swarm of goons yapping endlessly on the forums about something, simply ask yourself "what's in it for them?", and you usually have your answer.

So what are they after....?

1) The destruction of Darius with slander?
2) Justice and making Eve a better place?***

The funniest thing about this thread is that all this already got discussed to death at k.con where Riverini not only admitted that Darius sent him the logs but bragged about what a coup it was for his dumb blog. The whole issue had blown over until Darius started posting hilarious conspiracy theories about it here.

Ironically it was goons who were "slandered" by the OP, and Goons have offered verifiable evidence to back up their accusation, whether you agree with their conclusion or not.

So what you thought was a clever method of approaching issues actually outs you as a silly bigot.

Ummm I think the point you goons keep ignoring is you think because Riverini 'admitted' Darius sent him logs, it makes that some sort of unquestionable fact and proof positive we should all believe.

I mean I could 'admit' that you sent me a dozen roses. Proof positive you did right?

What is really standing out is WHY you are putting so much effort into this?

Ahhh 'verifiable evidence' lol. No one including you has shown any here. Keyword=Verifiable aka Trustworthy. As for being a bigot, you are a silly monkey.

so your brilliant refutation is that riverini, a member of Darius III's alliance, and someone who hates goons with a passion, is lying to slander his alliance leader for us

The 'evidence' that people use claiming I broke the NDA shows my innocence.

I understand that this does not "prove" that I did not leak anything

Also: Is it true that GS are getting 5 M Isk per post ITT ?

Honestly, nothing is in it for us. Darius contributes very little to any endeavor he takes part. He simply leaked NDA'd information and that's a big problem. You would feel differently if it came out that Darius leaked information in order to get a jump on the market.

When are people going to understand that regardless of the in-game antics, many Goons care about the state of the game?

You should not be scamming and abusing your position of trust in anyway when on the CSM - Full stop.
Goons are more than doing this, and their leader is the chair of the csm

the csm should be 'clean' they are supposed to be working for the greater good of the whole playerbase, they do not, they manipulate the game for themselves. Now they are in CSM they are abusing this position to further manipulate the game.

Its fact - deal with it.

You want to scam, step out.. no other country, group would accept that a person in any position that serves the players/public could openly scam them...!!! NO ONE!

I can only imagine CCP shaking their heads at where this CSM faggottry has gone.

All of you involved (D3, Mitt, Vile Rat, Goons in general) come out looking like a bunch of morons who have no business representing anyone, in any respect.

And since when did Goons start doing their own sting operations to find out who broke the NDA's in the first place? Is it their job to "police" CCP policy? You guys don't care about botting, but you'll be damned if someone leaks some super serious CMS convo?

Who said it was a Goon sting operation? Just because the chairman of the CSM happens to be a Goon? It's not moronic to note suspicious activity and report it. I do not know if the CSM takes an oath, but they may be compelled by oath or policy to report such things.

As far as botting goes, who knows for sure who is behind a keyboard? That's CCPs job to make that determination and they pay a person to do it. We are not legally compelled to do their job.

Who said it was a Goon sting operation?

I believe there was a previous suspicion of information leaking from that channel. What you see in the screenshots was bait.

Q) How do you know when a Goon is lying ?
A) He posts something.

Err he did?

Honestly, nothing is in it for us. Darius contributes very little to any endeavor he takes part. He simply leaked NDA'd information and that's a big problem. You would feel differently if it came out that Darius leaked information in order to get a jump on the market.

When are people going to understand that regardless of the in-game antics, many Goons care about the state of the game?

You know what, it's great you lot stick up for yourselves but to what advantage??

The thing is Digi is one of perception, You say that many Goons care about the game and you may be right about that, the problem is with how the Goons present themselves to us "pubbies".

My perception of the Goons and many players I have talked to (not many by any stretch of the imagination) perceive the Goons to be a right bunch of knobs. Now more than likely this is wrong but thats what the general perception of the Goons is in my circle of EVE friends.

You guys might be out to save the EVE universe and someday we might even thank you for doing such a great job of it but at the moment like many posts on here have said..."Goons are posting Goons are lying" etc etc

From my own personal view you have a cadre of talented people surrounded by the biggest bunch of strange-uns going. You know what, it's great you lot stick up for yourselves but to what advantage?? Great you are your own masters withing your circles but to what end? alot of people just think "Goon" and automatically have already judged someone without even talking to them.

It's a problem of trust,perception and little bit of the boy who cried wolf and until that's addressed people are always going to think the worst. General things like calling people pubbies, it shows a kind of elitism and general looking down on the rest of us.
Now if that was Albert Einstein doing it I'd probably have to hold my hands up and say fair enough but when it's some scrout who got through on a by through SA forums and can just about read the "you've posted something, hopefully it's good" message
it tends to annoy people.

Your no better no worse than anyone else but the perception of who you are and what you stand for is what counts either negatively or positively.

Anybody else find it ironic that D3's alliance is at war with those of the people accusing him of breaking the NDA?

And anybody else is either saying 'not enough evidence' or 'whatever'.

you mean riverini, the person in his alliance he leaked it to and who admitted the leak?

that person?

No, you and the rest of the Goon/TEST minions.

ahh so when riverini, a member of Darius III's alliance, and known for his hatred of goons, admits darius III did it you somehow do not notice this and think it's all just a bunch of goons accusing him

I noticed it, but I don't see him on the witch-hunt.

I noticed it, but I don't see him on the witch-hunt.

If there really was a breach of NDA, I would have thought that CCP should have reacted by now. Since you still seem to have the white CSM tab on your name, I suggest that people should take notice of that, rather than believing anything else. I might be wrong, because I don't know how long these things take to get resolved. Shouldn't this be mostly handled by CCP offically and not like this on these forums. Are you looking for a reply, by someone at CCP?

I think I can speak for the vast majority of the EVE community when I say, no one cares.

ahh so when riverini, a member of Darius III's alliance, and known for his hatred of goons, admits darius III did it you somehow do not notice this and think it's all just a bunch of goons accusing him

I noticed it, but I don't see him on the witch-hunt.

The integrity of the CSM chairman is not on trial here.

I find the secret to gathering the most rep is to post in one sentence or less.

The players need the CSM like a fish needs a bycycle.

The players need the CSM like a fish needs a bycycle.

if only you could spell bicycle

The players need Darius III like a fish needs a bicycle.

It really doesn't matter what CCP does or doesn't do at this point. Darius III has shown that he is not a trustworthy individual. Think about this for a second: he could stay on the CSM but that doesn't mean that anyone has to work with him. He will be shut out of conversations, ostracized from even the simplest of things and completely shunned by his peers. I simply do not see how he can continue politically, regardless of any ruling by CCP.

He has effectively ended his CSM career. And for what?

Which goes to my point. Why do the Goons really care about this dude breaking any NDA? What seems overwhelming clear is the Goonie leadership will go to great lengths to enforce rules set by CCP, ONLY when it directly serves the Goonies to do so.

yep, deal with it

who are supposed to represent the ENTIRE community

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think we need another Sir Mollie to step up and squish the Goonies back into JV1V. Eve could use some pest control.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think we need another Sir Mollie to step up and squish the Goonies back into JV1V. Eve could use some pest control.