Not very impressive tbh...

You shut your ***** mouth.

http://puu.sh/2HBe2.jpg

tbh, it looks really... unbalanced to me, the superstructure on the bottom is a bit too small. It kinda reminds me of those caricatures of body builders with a massive upper body but tiny legs.

Dude, it's a spaceship. It doesn't need to be balanced at all.

inb4 ship balancing pun

You shut your ***** mouth.

http://puu.sh/2HBe2.jpg

I was speaking purely about the aesthetics and the feelings the design gave me, not about the actual balance of the weight of an imaginary internet spaceship.

but hey, whatever

Don't like it at all. Looks very generic and bland.

The original model was one of the nicest hulls Amarr had going for them, I don't see why there was any reason to change it. Sucks.

You shut your ***** mouth.

http://puu.sh/2HBe2.jpg

It's awesome, now only if they didn't **** up the megathron so bad... man is that thing ugly now :(

Did anyone managed to take a picture/screenshot/whatever of the new Apoc? Can you post it?

hey trust, was it oracle that rick rolled guard... cause that sounds like somethign he would do, that or prophet or oddy

It's an improvement but nothing to write home about. The Stabber hull is still King of the remodeled ships.

you havnt seen the navy version of it :D

The old ship looked like **** in comparison.

Just like the Megathron and Stabber / Vagabond. CCP's dude behind those three redesigns (and I'm sure at least one guy was involved in all three, as they share a common theme) sure knows what he is doing.

They look like they have mass and substance now. The armor looks like armor, the engines look absolutely gorgeous, and all the ugly, superfluous **** got toned down to the point it actually looks good, keeping the distinctive shape while losing the crappy bits simultaneously. Truly impressive.

There were some ships I never wanted an artist to touch, ever, because they would inevitably come out the other end looking like crap. Iconic ships like the Omen, Firetail, Rifter, Abaddon, Maelstrom, Thorax, etc.

I want this artist identified. I want him to then be chained up and locked in a room with those ships. Because if anyone is deserving of having his way with the iconic ships, it is this guy.

FIRE THE ARTIST!!!

First our Golden fleet is now tan & turd, not Golden.

Now, this short stack??? WTH? Empress and I are not pleased. FIRE THE AMARR ARTIST NOW.

Looks loads better, can't wait too see it in Paladin/Navy form!

Paladin apparently gets a unique model.... <3

you havnt seen the navy version of it :D

thats what i said during the presentation but we have yet to start working on it

Here are some better screenshots. We already showed all of this at fanfest so i guess it's ok to post these here.

So yeah, she's almost done! This was a bit of a tough redesign since so many people have such a strong emotional attachment to the Apocalypse. I tried to keep the old flavor with the new design and at the same time modernize it a bit. I hope you guys like it!

http://imgur.com/a/A24EF

Here are some better screenshots. We already showed all of this at fanfest so i guess it's ok to post these here.

So yeah, she's almost done! This was a bit of a tough redesign since so many people have such a strong emotional attachment to the Apocalypse. I tried to keep the old flavor with the new design and at the same time modernize it a bit. I hope you guys like it!

http://imgur.com/a/A24EF

thats what i said during the presentation but we have yet to start working on it

thats what i said during the presentation but we have yet to start working on it

I like it! Apoc and Abaddon had a baby and made the new apoc

Dude, it's a spaceship. It doesn't need to be balanced at all.

inb4 ship balancing pun

I'LL BE IN MY BUNK.

While you're at it retexture the new Apoc and all the other Amarr ships as well. They're all bronze bullcrap turd colours, lacking magnificence.

you havnt seen the navy version of it :D

Gone are the days of the surfboard that had a vicious encounter with a shark.

Here are some better screenshots. We already showed all of this at fanfest so i guess it's ok to post these here.

So yeah, she's almost done! This was a bit of a tough redesign since so many people have such a strong emotional attachment to the Apocalypse. I tried to keep the old flavor with the new design and at the same time modernize it a bit. I hope you guys like it!

http://imgur.com/a/A24EF

Yes it does.

A ship like that is basically a skyscraper, the effect of gravity being replaced with the thrust form the engines. A static structure can be different as the lateral forces are predictable, but with a warship you don't know which angle its coming from, manoeuvres will create new centripetal forces as it turns ect.

It needs to be balanced in a manner that engines can transfer thrust in an efficient manner without destroying the ship, and necessitation an economical usage of materials.

Here are some better screenshots. We already showed all of this at fanfest so i guess it's ok to post these here.

So yeah, she's almost done! This was a bit of a tough redesign since so many people have such a strong emotional attachment to the Apocalypse. I tried to keep the old flavor with the new design and at the same time modernize it a bit. I hope you guys like it!

http://imgur.com/a/A24EF

Training armor skills.

You shut your ***** mouth.

http://puu.sh/2HBe2.jpg

dang I just tried to spin the ship in the picture to look at it from all sides. -.-

The meme begins

But so sexy, please, please let the Raven have the same loving

That's actually an existing meme from Firefly.

Hardly new :P

thats what i said during the presentation but we have yet to start working on it

That's one of the most useless things I can imagine to spend time on.

Does the Navy Apoc get the same model as the standard Apoc?

http://imgur.com/5A9w99u

just to get a few more likes :D here have a navypoc screen

Navy Apoc looks perfect !...now gimme Black Paladin

http://imgur.com/5A9w99u

just to get a few more likes :D here have a navypoc screen

So beautiful and complex, so many details and looks rationally (many EVE ships dont...)

Can't w8 to see it with high resolution textures pack that i believe CCP will give us very soon

http://imgur.com/5A9w99u

just to get a few more likes :D here have a navypoc screen

http://imgur.com/5A9w99u

just to get a few more likes :D here have a navypoc screen

That said, while the new Apoc will be absolutely gorgeous, it is a severely flawed ship that eats cap too quickly to be of much use.

While you're at it retexture the new Apoc and all the other Amarr ships as well. They're all bronze bullcrap turd colours, lacking magnificence.

http://imgur.com/5A9w99u

just to get a few more likes :D here have a navypoc screen

http://imgur.com/5A9w99u

just to get a few more likes :D here have a navypoc screen

It's not that bad. Once you set aside the "Amarr = bricks with laz0rs" mentality, you can make one hell of a ship out of it.

http://imgur.com/5A9w99u

just to get a few more likes :D here have a navypoc screen

You get another like when I see the Pally...

I think it's great.

A masterpiece

wtf did you do to the navy apoc? why must you wash out the colors on every amarr ship?? thats not even blue, more like a dull grey

http://imgur.com/5A9w99u

just to get a few more likes :D here have a navypoc screen

Apparently you're some twisted fan of oversaturation.

I be you want starships to look like this.

That's (again) a really good looking battleship, well done!

But CCP BunnyVirus, whats with the rumors about a new Dominix model?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=223926

There was nothing about this on fanfest presentations. Was it all just a hoax and player hysteria or do you hide something from us?

someone was asking me about the Domi during my presentation of the apoc and i gave him an answer regarding what stage we are with it :D

Answer me this then: Is it getting a visible drone bay like what the megathron/carriers have?

someone was asking me about the Domi during my presentation of the apoc and i gave him an answer regarding what stage we are with it :D

thats what i said during the presentation but we have yet to start working on it

http://imgur.com/5A9w99u

just to get a few more likes :D here have a navypoc screen

a whole bunch of whines

U know, a lot of us would be simply happy if we could get our golden amarrian ships back.

This is realy good enough: http://www.eveandbeyond.de/wp-content/iimage/e32006/apocalypse_1_new.jpg


I dont need a pregant anorexic whale. Because that is how the new model looks like.

Most of u where pretty happy with these colors: http://www.eve-wiki.net/images/thumb/7/79/Model-Apocalypse.jpg/273px-Model-Apocalypse.jpg

The design was simple, yet elegant. The new design reminds me of this one: http://www.flugzeug-bild.de/bilder/a-300f4-608st-beluga-1397.jpg

And this aint a good looking bird.


The Apoc of old, especially the Navy Apoc was one of the best looking ships in the game. I didnt hear ppl complain about it, at least not more than they complained about everything else.

But i am realy curious if someone from CCP can explain me something:

People have asked for a redone Naglfar model since i started eve in 2007. We where told that making a new model was to complicated. And still, the changes to the naglfar are still only ment to compensate for its lack of a third turret slot.

So, making a new Naglfar model is to complicated, but ruining another of the amarr ships is no problem?

"I don't get that aesthetics are inherently subjective and CCP can't possibly please everyone. I demand that CCP caters to my sense of aesthetic only."

I am hardly the only one complaining about CCPs course of actions. Back when i joined this game in 2007 i did this also because of the aesthetics. Especially those of the Amarr Empire. Also, according to the books every ship, gate, station in the entire Empire is enveloped in 24 Karat of gold. I dont see any gold on my ships. Not anymore.

If they change the aesthetics of Eve, they change Eve.

And not everyone here is approving change because of change itself. Not to mention that there are more urgent issues. I still have no answer on my question regarding the Naglfar.

If u dont care about what your ship looks like, fine, congrats. I do care and as a paying customer i have the right to voice my disaprovel of these changes. Eve is losing more and more of its charme. And the amarr did get hit very hard in recent years. And with the upcoming changes they will get hit even harder.

While the model itself is better than the old, I really, really don't like the new NApoc. It looks like a slightly greyer version of the regular Apoc, what happened to the blue and black theme? The Amarr navy line for battleships had the best color scheme in game, why would you change it to this washed out grey?

I am hardly the only one complaining about CCPs course of actions. Back when i joined this game in 2007 i did this also because of the aesthetics. Especially those of the Amarr Empire. Also, according to the books every ship, gate, station in the entire Empire is enveloped in 24 Karat of gold. I dont see any gold on my ships. Not anymore.

If they change the aesthetics of Eve, they change Eve.

And not everyone here is approving change because of change itself. Not to mention that there are more urgent issues. I still have no answer on my question regarding the Naglfar.

If u dont care about what your ship looks like, fine, congrats. I do care and as a paying customer i have the right to voice my disaprovel of these changes. Eve is losing more and more of its charme. And the amarr did get hit very hard in recent years. And with the upcoming changes they will get hit even harder.

U know, a lot of us would be simply happy if we could get our golden amarrian ships back.

This is realy good enough: http://www.eveandbeyond.de/wp-content/iimage/e32006/apocalypse_1_new.jpg


I dont need a pregant anorexic whale. Because that is how the new model looks like.

Most of u where pretty happy with these colors: http://www.eve-wiki.net/images/thumb/7/79/Model-Apocalypse.jpg/273px-Model-Apocalypse.jpg

The design was simple, yet elegant. The new design reminds me of this one: http://www.flugzeug-bild.de/bilder/a-300f4-608st-beluga-1397.jpg

And this aint a good looking bird.


The Apoc of old, especially the Navy Apoc was one of the best looking ships in the game. I didnt hear ppl complain about it, at least not more than they complained about everything else.

But i am realy curious if someone from CCP can explain me something:

People have asked for a redone Naglfar model since i started eve in 2007. We where told that making a new model was to complicated. And still, the changes to the naglfar are still only ment to compensate for its lack of a third turret slot.

So, making a new Naglfar model is to complicated, but ruining another of the amarr ships is no problem?

someone was asking me about the Domi during my presentation of the apoc and i gave him an answer regarding what stage we are with it :D

I thought when Soundwave showed us the model in game it looked much better than that picture. I am very pleased with how this looks! Can't wait to see it on my Paladin :)

Love this update. I was a little dismayed with the geddon changes, but with the making the Apoc the attack BS and its new graphical update I'm pretty excited.

BIG fan of what was done with the Maller as well, went from being my least favorite Amarr Cruiser to the best looking one imo. This is a similar change for the Apoc

This redesign is incredible, I wish i could have seen the presentation on it, I was really disappointed that we couldn't get that part of the stream on fanfest, as I feel that is very important for us older veterans.

With the paladin, Given that some of the people are displeased with the new apoc, maybe to a lesser extent, you could have something that resembles the "parted sections" but making them lower by about half. But definitely give it an upgrade like you did with the original apoc, I mean the geometry just looks a lot better. I look forward to seeing what you guys do to the tier 3 battleships, the typhoon and the domi and the armageddon.

i feel with you. i hope they put this presentation online at some point. they simply have to XD
there was even advertisement in the art panel for this presentation.



for the paladin i just hope the find a clever way to position the turrets at a spot which looks not totally random. getting the kronos right needed some rather persistent player feedback.
besides that, blood red & gold - will be one heck of a ship :D

Yeah, I think all marauders should have a better turret placement that doesn't make it seem like "Oh hey where are the rest of my guns" And yes I agree the blood red and gold will definitely make the paladin just look beautiful and majestic. I can't wait to see it myself.

I'll try.
If i remember correctly there were some technical limitations for this though.
For once we need to provide more than 4 highslots on the shipmodel because of utility items like tractor beams etc that are also visible. And since the player decides in what order he fits his modules we can't decide what the turret arrangement will look like in the end. Having said that I remember that for the stealth bombers we were able to work around this and make the launchers always fit into dedicated launcher hardpoints. I'm not sure if that will work here as well though.

Another reason is that a limited number of hardpoints have been a limitation for game design before. So if for example we decide that one day the paladin will use 8 turrets instead of 4 the art needs to be able to support that decision.

Well, whatever you do, don't modify the Abaddon, pwetty pwease. At least, keep its overall shape, if you dare touch the sexiest ship in this game.

I thought when Soundwave showed us the model in game it looked much better than that picture. I am very pleased with how this looks! Can't wait to see it on my Paladin :)

http://imgur.com/5A9w99u

just to get a few more likes :D here have a navypoc screen

you havnt seen the navy version of it :D

I'll try.
If i remember correctly there were some technical limitations for this though.
For once we need to provide more than 4 highslots on the shipmodel because of utility items like tractor beams etc that are also visible. And since the player decides in what order he fits his modules we can't decide what the turret arrangement will look like in the end. Having said that I remember that for the stealth bombers we were able to work around this and make the launchers always fit into dedicated launcher hardpoints. I'm not sure if that will work here as well though.

Another reason is that a limited number of hardpoints have been a limitation for game design before. So if for example we decide that one day the paladin will use 8 turrets instead of 4 the art needs to be able to support that decision.

I'll try.
If i remember correctly there were some technical limitations for this though.
For once we need to provide more than 4 highslots on the shipmodel because of utility items like tractor beams etc that are also visible. And since the player decides in what order he fits his modules we can't decide what the turret arrangement will look like in the end. Having said that I remember that for the stealth bombers we were able to work around this and make the launchers always fit into dedicated launcher hardpoints. I'm not sure if that will work here as well though.

Another reason is that a limited number of hardpoints have been a limitation for game design before. So if for example we decide that one day the paladin will use 8 turrets instead of 4 the art needs to be able to support that decision.

I like it! Apoc and Abaddon had a baby and made the new apoc

Slightly off topic but when you guys redesign the machariel would you change the layout so it doesn't have that uneven look with the turrets. I was thinking putting the turrets on the side of the ship, then have the launchers on the top, or vice versa, to give the ship a more symmetrical layout turret wise.

the machariel is one of the ships least in need of a redesign... a higher res. texture would go a long way there.
there is just so much more gallente space cancer and caldari lego missmatch to be cured and fixed.
but i agree with you a symmetric distribution of turrets on the hull is always better then some weird uneven distribution, at least when the hull the turrets are placed on is more or less symmetrical itself (like the machariel).

I'll try.
If i remember correctly there were some technical limitations for this though.
For once we need to provide more than 4 highslots on the shipmodel because of utility items like tractor beams etc that are also visible. And since the player decides in what order he fits his modules we can't decide what the turret arrangement will look like in the end. Having said that I remember that for the stealth bombers we were able to work around this and make the launchers always fit into dedicated launcher hardpoints. I'm not sure if that will work here as well though.

Another reason is that a limited number of hardpoints have been a limitation for game design before. So if for example we decide that one day the paladin will use 8 turrets instead of 4 the art needs to be able to support that decision.

the machariel is one of the ships least in need of a redesign... a higher res. texture would go a long way there.
there is just so much more gallente space cancer and caldari lego missmatch to be cured and fixed.
but i agree with you a symmetric distribution of turrets on the hull is always better then some weird uneven distribution, at least when the hull the turrets are placed on is more or less symmetrical itself (like the machariel).

[quote=Nagarythe Tinurandir]
I'd like to see the abaddon look more like the concept art. The concept art abaddon looks evil, a beast, and the abaddon needs to look like that! Caldari ships, well.. lol... that's just going to be quite an adventure.

yeah, abbadon concept art rocks big time :D
i guess at the time it was just too much detail. the maelstrom concept art looks much more "jury riggy" then the actual model in game.
for caldari reworks, CCPs art department just needs to orient itself on the corax, tengu and the latest scorpion. makes for sober and utilitarian looking awesomeness with a pinch of deadly style (manticore).

Can we see her port side?

[quote=Altimo][quote=Nagarythe Tinurandir]
for caldari reworks, CCPs art department just needs to orient itself on the corax, tengu and the latest scorpion. makes for sober and utilitarian looking awesomeness with a pinch of deadly style (manticore).

Woah. Mind, blown.

And I just put all my capital in the damned Ice market, so I can't go buy one! Argh! *head explodes*

looks much more like an armor tanker than the old model.
but i liked the old model better

The thing is Devs said they don't like the machine-gun look of Apoc.
Why the new model still looks like one?

I'll try.
If i remember correctly there were some technical limitations for this though.
For once we need to provide more than 4 highslots on the shipmodel because of utility items like tractor beams etc that are also visible. And since the player decides in what order he fits his modules we can't decide what the turret arrangement will look like in the end. Having said that I remember that for the stealth bombers we were able to work around this and make the launchers always fit into dedicated launcher hardpoints. I'm not sure if that will work here as well though.

Another reason is that a limited number of hardpoints have been a limitation for game design before. So if for example we decide that one day the paladin will use 8 turrets instead of 4 the art needs to be able to support that decision.

Ummmmmmmmm

They stole this model from a N64 game called
Star Wars: Battle for Naboo

http://image.gamespotcdn.net/gamespot/images/screenshots/gs/news/010205/starwars_790screen004.jpg

Case Closed

Ummm, no, I really don't think that's what they said at all.

we are thinking of getting rid the machinegun look of the ship itself and i make sure that the amazing ccp phor will do a proper job with the concepting of the new one.

new stuff is on sissi.

no unique paladin :(
though the red&gold paint job is awesome....

ya, the colors on the Pali look good. navy apoc still looks like a very washed out gold, almost like a wheat color, with a dark trim

This is exactly what they said.

Quote:


The link to this post is Here

Guess "amazing ccp phor" didn't do the job right at all.

Does anyone on sisi have any pics of the Paladin?

Video good enough?

http://youtu.be/lVcNLSoYNAY?t=48s

EDIT: Someone at CCP please, please tell me that the Paladin's red is going to become standard on all Carthum ships.

new stuff is on sissi.

no unique paladin :(
though the red&gold paint job is awesome....

EDIT: Someone at CCP please, please tell me that the Paladin's red is going to become standard on all Carthum ships.

EDIT 2: Oops, this isn't actually the new Paladin model, it's the Apoc model with the Paladin's skin - but it does give you a good idea of what i'll look like, and the new skin is pretty damn awesome.

That's because the Paladin model isn't finished yet.

thx :)
i imagine the paladin to be a "fully" plated apoc. blood red with golden marqueterie, while bright, sunlike light breaks out where two armor plates get together :D
it could like pulsate and wave from the front to the back.

let's see, if this will be the paladin paint scheme, because at the moment the Paladin is wearing a Sarum Paintshop

EVE != WoW

This is exactly what they said.

Quote:


The link to this post is Here

Guess "amazing ccp phor" didn't do the job right at all.

There is a very good reason for that - the Sarum skin is the Carthum skin, the only difference is the logo.
So, yeah. There is no distinct Carthum skin - only the different logo.