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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:06:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Now what do we have in odyssey? Screwed demand. Values shifted. Getting my drift? In Odyssey, we have a shift in supply.
How is demand being screwed again?
So what if values shift?
NoGǪ what is your drift?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:06:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:I'm not saying "mining is dead", I say that hisec mining is. and you've produced no evidence to support your outlandish claim. especially when i've just showed you that the estimated impact is 3m/hour and a switch from scord to pyro.
3m/hour is switch from scord to pyro NOW.
Both scord and pyro are barely going to be worth 15M/hour in odyssey. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:08:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Skorpynekomimi wrote:All those mission runners need to keep buying ammo and drones, too. Really? Cuz those are totally not dropping from mobs on a mission runs...
 
Remove insurance. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:09:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:I'm not saying "mining is dead", I say that hisec mining is. and you've produced no evidence to support your outlandish claim. especially when i've just showed you that the estimated impact is 3m/hour and a switch from scord to pyro. 3m/hour is switch from scord to pyro NOW. Both scord and pyro are barely going to be worth 15M/hour in odyssey.
no, in odyssey, as i showed you with the mineral value predictions from mynnna.
where is your evidence of 15m/hour pyrox? you have produced none. |
Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:10:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Really? Cuz those are totally not dropping from mobs on a mission runs... really, what rats are you killing that are dropping scourge fury heavy missiles?
They drop regular heavy missiles which are also usable.
Also, scourge fury requires almost none of the hisec minerals, so it's a bad sample. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
8121
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:10:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:
Now one group of miners is going to get everything and another group of miners is screwed. I'm not saying "mining is dead", I say that hisec mining is.
Not that is what is going to happen, why is this a bad thing?
Ice miners will mine out the new fields, and hopefully the fact that Ice will now deplete as it's mined will generate some interactivity and conflict in that activity. Ore miners will carry on as usual, belts will still exist, and Gravs will require less effort to find. It'll be business as usual. The nullsec miners aren't going to be able to produce enough trit and pyerite to feed their industrial chains, they will still be importing an extremely large quantity of minerals from hisec.
A war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:11:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Really? Cuz those are totally not dropping from mobs on a mission runs... really, what rats are you killing that are dropping scourge fury heavy missiles? They drop regular heavy missiles which are also usable. Also, scourge fury requires almost none of the hisec minerals, so it's a bad sample.
so, the rats don't drop ammo.
thanks for confirming that. |
Leper ofBacon
HELP GRANDMA SMASH HER LEGS IN
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:14:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:T8496 wrote:ITT: EvE is the only game where people feel so entitled when they choose to live in the starting area. If eve had PvP which isn't "more skillpoints always win" I would've tried it. Unfortunately, that is the one and only kind of pvp eve offers. Maybe in a 3-4 more years...
You won't listen but I have some good news for you, this isn't the case at all.
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:14:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:
Now one group of miners is going to get everything and another group of miners is screwed. I'm not saying "mining is dead", I say that hisec mining is.
Not that is what is going to happen, why is this a bad thing? Ice miners will mine out the new fields, and hopefully the fact that Ice will now deplete as it's mined will generate some interactivity and conflict in that activity. Ore miners will carry on as usual, belts will still exist, and Gravs will require less effort to find. It'll be business as usual.
I abstain from "good vs bad" analysis, it's just a fact it's going to die. Belts at least for sure. Ice mining would give way to Ice camping. New gravs... we'll see if there's enough to keep the miners going. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:18:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:
Now one group of miners is going to get everything and another group of miners is screwed. I'm not saying "mining is dead", I say that hisec mining is.
Not that is what is going to happen, why is this a bad thing? Ice miners will mine out the new fields, and hopefully the fact that Ice will now deplete as it's mined will generate some interactivity and conflict in that activity. Ore miners will carry on as usual, belts will still exist, and Gravs will require less effort to find. It'll be business as usual. I abstain from "good vs bad" analysis, it's just a fact it's going to die. Belts at least for sure. Ice mining would give way to Ice camping. New gravs... we'll see if there's enough to keep the miners going. Leper ofBacon wrote:You won't listen but I have some good news for you, this isn't the case at all. This isn't the case. This is the sad truth.
it's not a fact high sec mining is going to die; just like it's not a fact that the sky is made of custard.
also with regards to pvp, it is the case, stop being bad at eve. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
8121
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:18:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:
I abstain from "good vs bad" analysis, it's just a fact it's going to die. Belts at least for sure. Ice mining would give way to Ice camping. New gravs... we'll see if there's enough to keep the miners going.
Unless you can provide some sort of evidence for your far fetched doomsday scenario, then we're going to laugh at you some more. You can't even give a decent example of how highsec mining is going to die and how competition for resources in a PvP game is bad.
A war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Mister Tuggles
Prime Numbers
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:19:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:inb4 nullbears happy tears hotdrop, how long do you think tritanium/pyerite prices would stay above 0.5 ISK after Odyssey? Well, we're hisec. We're here to be nerfed. Should not be news. My guess is that prices will drop some 30%, back to where they were before drone alloys were removed. 
Prices won't drop at all since null bears won't have their alts in HS mining them. Supply will go down, but the demand will also go down since Null will no longer need to use our ores.
What is really going to be ****** up from all of this is high end ore prices. I believe null will no longer be bringing them up to HS since they will be completely self sufficient from an industrial point of view.
HUGE mistake by CCP. huge. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13934
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:22:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:I abstain from "good vs bad" analysis, it's just a fact it's going to die. How is this GÇ£a factGÇ¥?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:22:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:
This can be taken as a compliment, although i don't really know your POV.
To my defense, though ... you don't know me ingame. :p
Forums are a totally different act. ^_^
Being unbro-like is definitely a compliment from my POV.
Let me see if I have Basil's arguments in tl'dr version here:
1. Highsec mining will die, if you even think about mining in highsec the EVE client will close itself automatically, using thought electrodes implanted into your brain, to prevent IRL casualties caused by boredom and low ISK/hour returns.
2. There will be so much competition in highsec mining that ice asteroids will literally be exhausted 28 minutes before they appear onscreen, existing in the intervening period as some kind of quantum paradox.
My spidey-sense is tingling, as if the concatenation of points 1 and 2 produces some kind of contradiction, but I can't piece together exactly what it is. Something to do with massive locust hordes of highsec miners not being consistent with highsec mining being a completely dead and abandoned profession, perhaps? Ah, but the truth appears in a synthesis of points 1 and 2: instead of one person controlling 100 accounts on 3-4 computers, the new highsec mining will be done by 100 accounts controlled by 50 zombies on 50 computers, raised from the dead via knowledge buried in a forbidden skillbook stashed in Jovian space. When he says hisec mining will be dead, he's being metaphorical, he really means 'undead'. The new order will abandon bumping, in favor of holy water sprinkling, and ganking will be performed by a crack team of Dominicans flown in from the Vatican. |
Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:22:00 -
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Mister Tuggles wrote:Prices won't drop at all since null bears won't have their alts in HS mining them. Supply will go down, but the demand will also go down since Null will no longer need to use our ores.
What is really going to be ****** up from all of this is high end ore prices. I believe null will no longer be bringing them up to HS since they will be completely self sufficient from an industrial point of view.
HUGE mistake by CCP. huge.
inb4 you will be lied to about null being still undersupplied, unsecure to mine at, etc... i still think demand is going to drop harder than supply. |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
3328
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:23:00 -
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This really went far enough.
I must ask all gankers and bumpers to combine to one gigantic force
to get rid of *all* miners once and for all.
Then we can monopolize highsec mining by allowing only alts to mine and dictate prices as we please.
(hahahahahahahaha, wishfull thinking) |
Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
8121
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:24:00 -
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Mister Tuggles wrote:
What is really going to be ****** up from all of this is high end ore prices. I believe null will no longer be bringing them up to HS since they will be completely self sufficient from an industrial point of view.
HUGE mistake by CCP. huge.
I should really leave this one to someone else but here we go.
They won't be self sufficient, nullsec will be unable to supply enough lowends to feed their industrial machine, the changes to null ores ease the lowend mineral bottleneck somewhat but they are not anywhere near removing it. Nullsec industry will still need to import a goodly quantity of those minerals from hisec, and they will still be selling their excess highends to fund it.
A war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
10745
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:24:00 -
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Mister Tuggles wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:inb4 nullbears happy tears hotdrop, how long do you think tritanium/pyerite prices would stay above 0.5 ISK after Odyssey? Well, we're hisec. We're here to be nerfed. Should not be news. My guess is that prices will drop some 30%, back to where they were before drone alloys were removed. Prices won't drop at all since null bears won't have their alts in HS mining them. Supply will go down, but the demand will also go down since Null will no longer need to use our ores. What is really going to be ****** up from all of this is high end ore prices. I believe null will no longer be bringing them up to HS since they will be completely self sufficient from an industrial point of view. HUGE mistake by CCP. huge.
So people would have to leave highsec every once in a while, this is progress
"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13934
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:25:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:i still think demand is going to drop harder than supply. Why's that? In fact, why would demand drop at all?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
Dave Stark
2965
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:25:00 -
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Mister Tuggles wrote:I believe null will no longer be bringing them up to HS since they will be completely self sufficient from an industrial point of view.
if i mine one large grav site in null. and use all the megacyte to make rokhs, i need 32 grav sites worth of tritanium. that means i either export 31 grav site's worth of megacyte, or import 31 grav sites of trit.
null sec will still use high sec, just less. |
celebro
Perpetuum Industries
67
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:27:00 -
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More importantly, RIP for those HS alts... |
Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
137
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:29:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:
inb4 you will be lied to about null being still undersupplied, unsecure to mine at, etc... i still think demand is going to drop harder than supply.
Let me point out that you predicted that supply(of highsec ore) was going to drop to ZERO, and that it's impossible for demand to drop harder than that.
Oh right, zombie hordes, forgot. |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
3328
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:30:00 -
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Oh btw ... Dave, have you already declared support for the optional High Resolution Texture Pack ? |
Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:31:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:So people would have to leave highsec every once in a while, this is progress
Assuming leaving hisec is an option for many players.
No it's not.
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Dave Stark
2966
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:31:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Oh btw ... Dave, have you already declared support for the optional High Resolution Texture Pack ?
no, because i don't care. |
Dave Stark
2966
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:32:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:So people would have to leave highsec every once in a while, this is progress Assuming leaving hisec is an option for many players. No it's not.
yes it is, the gates are open. |
Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
3
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:36:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:So people would have to leave highsec every once in a while, this is progress Assuming leaving hisec is an option for many players. No it's not. yes it is, the gates are open.
Being open only on one side is not being open. |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
3330
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:36:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Oh btw ... Dave, have you already declared support for the optional High Resolution Texture Pack ? no, because i don't care. Well, if you don't care, you could as well declare support ! |
celebro
Perpetuum Industries
67
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:36:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:So people would have to leave highsec every once in a while, this is progress Assuming leaving hisec is an option for many players. No it's not. yes it is, the gates are open.
I wish I could, but due to RL constraints , not possible. Too bad CCP, most wont change their play style to suit your changes. |
Dave Stark
2967
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:37:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:So people would have to leave highsec every once in a while, this is progress Assuming leaving hisec is an option for many players. No it's not. yes it is, the gates are open. Being open only on one side is not being open.
good job it's open on both sides, then. |
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