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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3330
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:38:00 -
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celebro wrote:I wish I could, but due to RL constraints , not possible. Too bad CCP, most wont change their play style to suit your changes. Believing that RL time issues keep people from playing in lowsec just displays how bad you are at this game ... ... but your post sounds more like a lie anyway.
(edit: assuming it's time. because anything else doesn't make sense) (except stupidity, maybe) |

Dave Stark
2967
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:38:00 -
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celebro wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:So people would have to leave highsec every once in a while, this is progress Assuming leaving hisec is an option for many players. No it's not. yes it is, the gates are open. I wish I could, but due to RL constraints , not possible. Too bad CCP, most wont change their play style to suit your changes.
i'm sorry to hear that you don't have fingers, or any way to move the mouse and click, or use keyboard shortcuts. you must have a difficult life, i applaud you for having the strength to go on. |

Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
3
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:40:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:celebro wrote:I wish I could, but due to RL constraints , not possible. Too bad CCP, most wont change their play style to suit your changes. Believing that RL time issues keep people from playing in lowsec just displays how bad you are at this game ... ... but your post sounds more like a lie anyway.
Well, like i said, if eve had pvp not bound to "SP = win", gates could really open both sides. But meh, no pvp = gates closed. |

Dave Stark
2967
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:41:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Solstice Project wrote:celebro wrote:I wish I could, but due to RL constraints , not possible. Too bad CCP, most wont change their play style to suit your changes. Believing that RL time issues keep people from playing in lowsec just displays how bad you are at this game ... ... but your post sounds more like a lie anyway. Well, like i said, if eve had pvp not bound to "SP = win", gates could really open both sides. But meh, no pvp = gates closed.
but pvp isn't bound to "sp = win". so the gates are open both sides. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
8122
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:41:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote: Assuming leaving hisec is an option for many players. No it's not.
Why not?. CVA space is NRDS, that's a non highsec option for any miner that wants a piece of the new nullsec ores.
A war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |

Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
3
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:44:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote: Assuming leaving hisec is an option for many players. No it's not.
Why not?. CVA space is NRDS, that's a non highsec option for any miner that wants a piece of the new nullsec ores.
And... how can you stay NR for more than a second? Let me guess: you can't. |

Kharamete
Feral Solutions Inc
14
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:44:00 -
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I basically think the OP is trolling now.
Nothing will change much, except that I think that come the winter expansion the afk cloaking issue will have much bigger proponents than it has now. Maybe it will finally be "solved". Or improved. Or iterated. Choose your euphemism for removed. |

celebro
Perpetuum Industries
67
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:44:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:
i'm sorry to hear that you don't have fingers, or any way to move the mouse and click, or use keyboard shortcuts. you must have a difficult life, i applaud you for having the strength to go on.
Very amusing Dave, I need to be semi-afk most of the time, that's the play style I sub for , so I'll remain in HS as most of the semi-afk players out there. Good change in theory, lets see what really happens. |

Dave Stark
2967
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:44:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote: Assuming leaving hisec is an option for many players. No it's not.
Why not?. CVA space is NRDS, that's a non highsec option for any miner that wants a piece of the new nullsec ores.
haha, that picture. excellent. |

Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
790
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:46:00 -
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I will stay here in high-sec until somebody blows the station out from under me. 
CEO of B.U.T.T.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
8123
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:46:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote: Well, like i said, if eve had pvp not bound to "SP = win", gates could really open both sides. But meh, no pvp = gates closed.
Common misconception, a players knowledge and experience of game mechanics, tactics and the capabilities of the ship and fit he's flying are what counts in PvP, all SP does is give people more options.
SP definitely does not equal win. A war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |

Dave Stark
2967
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:46:00 -
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celebro wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
i'm sorry to hear that you don't have fingers, or any way to move the mouse and click, or use keyboard shortcuts. you must have a difficult life, i applaud you for having the strength to go on.
Very amusing Dave, I need to be semi-afk most of the time, that's the play style I sub for , so I'll remain in HS as most of the semi-afk players out there. Good change in theory, lets see what really happens.
i thought so.
so what's stopping you going to null sec, making friends with the local mining fleet, and informing them you have to be semi afk for whatever reason and if they could fleet warp you to a pos when local flashes you'd be grateful?
failing that, losing a 40m retriever isn't that much of a wallet hit. |

Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
3
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:49:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:celebro wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
i'm sorry to hear that you don't have fingers, or any way to move the mouse and click, or use keyboard shortcuts. you must have a difficult life, i applaud you for having the strength to go on.
Very amusing Dave, I need to be semi-afk most of the time, that's the play style I sub for , so I'll remain in HS as most of the semi-afk players out there. Good change in theory, lets see what really happens. i thought so. so what's stopping you going to null sec, making friends with the local mining fleet, and informing them you have to be semi afk for whatever reason and if they could fleet warp you to a pos when local flashes you'd be grateful? failing that, losing a 40m retriever isn't that much of a wallet hit.
you forgot rigs, implants, and clone. 100M. |

Dave Stark
2967
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:51:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:celebro wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
i'm sorry to hear that you don't have fingers, or any way to move the mouse and click, or use keyboard shortcuts. you must have a difficult life, i applaud you for having the strength to go on.
Very amusing Dave, I need to be semi-afk most of the time, that's the play style I sub for , so I'll remain in HS as most of the semi-afk players out there. Good change in theory, lets see what really happens. i thought so. so what's stopping you going to null sec, making friends with the local mining fleet, and informing them you have to be semi afk for whatever reason and if they could fleet warp you to a pos when local flashes you'd be grateful? failing that, losing a 40m retriever isn't that much of a wallet hit. you forgot rigs, implants, and clone. 100M.
you don't rig a retriever, none increase yield. and 3% mining implants don't cost 100m. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13936
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:51:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Well, like i said, if eve had pvp not bound to "SP = win", gates could really open both sides. GǪwhich is part of why the gates really are open both ways. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |

Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
3
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:55:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:you don't rig a retriever, none increase yield. and 3% mining implants don't cost 100m.
Just pointing out that we still need stat implants in (a futile) effort to board the leaving PvP SP train. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
8123
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:55:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Well, like i said, if eve had pvp not bound to "SP = win", gates could really open both sides. GǪwhich is part of why the gates really are open both ways. OP fails to understand that the only lock on lowsec gates is himself.
A war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |

Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
3
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:56:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Tippia wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Well, like i said, if eve had pvp not bound to "SP = win", gates could really open both sides. GǪwhich is part of why the gates really are open both ways. OP fails to understand that the only lock on lowsec gates is himself.
And that nice shiny bubble camp of higher SP characters en masse. |

Dave Stark
2968
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:57:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:you don't rig a retriever, none increase yield. and 3% mining implants don't cost 100m. Just pointing out that we still need stat implants in (a futile) effort to board the leaving PvP SP train. Tippia wrote:GǪwhich is part of why the gates really are open both ways. For those who are already on the other side. Not for anyone else.
just pointing out you don't need stat implants. also sp has nothing to do with pvp, stop pretending it does. pretending doesn't work, you ain't peter pan. |

Dave Stark
2968
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:57:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Tippia wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Well, like i said, if eve had pvp not bound to "SP = win", gates could really open both sides. GǪwhich is part of why the gates really are open both ways. OP fails to understand that the only lock on lowsec gates is himself. And that nice shiny bubble camp of higher SP characters en masse.
you've never been through a high sec-low sec gate, have you? you've just heard the bad man lives on the other side, and pissed yourself. right? |

celebro
Perpetuum Industries
67
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:00:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:celebro wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
i'm sorry to hear that you don't have fingers, or any way to move the mouse and click, or use keyboard shortcuts. you must have a difficult life, i applaud you for having the strength to go on.
Very amusing Dave, I need to be semi-afk most of the time, that's the play style I sub for , so I'll remain in HS as most of the semi-afk players out there. Good change in theory, lets see what really happens. i thought so. so what's stopping you going to null sec, making friends with the local mining fleet, and informing them you have to be semi afk for whatever reason and if they could fleet warp you to a pos when local flashes you'd be grateful? failing that, losing a 40m retriever isn't that much of a wallet hit.
Last time I was in 0.0 things didn't turn out so well, being in alliance comms watching local and CTAs, this is a much more active play style I refuse to try atm. As for a mining fleet, I didn't see any, most where shooting red crosses or other players.
IDK about a retriever , shouldn't I be in a hulk to maximize my yield and tank the 0.0 rats? Might as well stay in HS if I need to sacrifice my yield now. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13936
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:00:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:And that nice shiny bubble camp of higher SP characters en masse. GǪwhich takes all of 200k SP to defeat.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |

Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
3
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:00:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:you've never been through a high sec-low sec gate, have you? you've just heard the bad man lives on the other side, and pissed yourself. right? This year I've only been out in lowsec in a party wishing to close the escalation. We never achieved a single kill on other players, and never went above 50% survival rate. Not enough skillpoints for pvp yet.
Tippia wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:And that nice shiny bubble camp of higher SP characters en masse. GǪwhich takes all of 200M SP to defeat and 20M to have a slightest chance to avoid. fixd. |

Dave Stark
2968
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:01:00 -
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celebro wrote:shouldn't I be in a hulk to maximize my yield and tank the 0.0 rats? Might as well stay in HS if I need to sacrifice my yield now.
mostly afk hulk
uh, what? |

Dave Stark
2968
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:02:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:you've never been through a high sec-low sec gate, have you? you've just heard the bad man lives on the other side, and pissed yourself. right? This year I've only been out in lowsec in a party wishing to close the escalation. We never achieved a single kill on other players, and never went above 50% survival rate. Not enough skillpoints for pvp yet.
your sp has nothing to do with pvp.
stop pretending it does, you aren't peter pan. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13940
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:06:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:This year I've only been out in lowsec in a party wishing to close the escalation. We never achieved a single kill on other players, and never went above 50% survival rate. Not enough skillpoints for pvp yet. No. You don't have enough PvP experience to PvP yet. SP is not a factor. The only way to get that PvP experience is to PvP. Waiting for your SP to accumulate will just mean that you never have enough experience.
Quote:Tippia wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:And that nice shiny bubble camp of higher SP characters en masse. GǪwhich takes all of 200k SP to defeat and 0k to have a the easiest time in the world to avoid. fixd. Actually fixed. Of course, since you have no PvP experience, you don't know this and have to invent nonsense here just like with all of you other claims. Much like mining and the history of the game, you have proven that this is not an area you know enough about to really make any kind of comment on. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |

Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
3
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:09:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:This year I've only been out in lowsec in a party wishing to close the escalation. We never achieved a single kill on other players, and never went above 50% survival rate. Not enough skillpoints for pvp yet. No. You don't have enough PvP experience to PvP yet. SP is not a factor. The only way to get that PvP experience is to PvP. Waiting for your SP to accumulate will just mean that you never have enough experience. Quote:Tippia wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:And that nice shiny bubble camp of higher SP characters en masse. GǪwhich takes all of 200k SP to defeat and 0k to have a the easiest time in the world to avoid. fixd. Actually fixed. Of course, since you have no PvP experience, you don't know this and have to invent nonsense here just like with all of you other claims.
Waiting for SP to accumulate won't work because everyone's SP is accumulating. You'll stay forever behind without implants, and pvp = losing implants. This means pvp is the best way to give yourself even harder setback in pvp. |

Dave Stark
2968
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:11:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Waiting for SP to accumulate won't work because everyone's SP is accumulating. You'll stay forever behind without implants, and pvp = losing implants. This means pvp is the best way to give yourself even harder setback in pvp.
he's like a colostomy bag. full of ****. |

celebro
Perpetuum Industries
67
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:12:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:celebro wrote:shouldn't I be in a hulk to maximize my yield and tank the 0.0 rats? Might as well stay in HS if I need to sacrifice my yield now. mostly afk hulk uh, what?
Not mostly afk but semi-afk there's a big difference, but anyways probably a mack will suit me best as I am sure the Orca would be sitting in safely in POS now, unless i'm in a corp mining op giving away my time to fuel wars. Mining is a play style most suited for High sec changes by making super veld and scord in 0.0 won't change that. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13940
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:13:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:[Waiting for SP to accumulate won't work because everyone's SP is accumulating. Sure, but that's not why it doesn't work. The reason it doesn't work is that waiting for SP doesn't give you what you need: PvP experience.
Funnily enough, PvP experience is something that is better accumulated with absolutely minute amounts of SP, which means that the effect is pretty much the exact opposite of what you've been tricked into believing. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
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