The horror. Being forced to mine 30mil/hr scordite while waiting for the 40mil/hr ice anom to respawn.

i know right? mining ore like some kind of savage. positively primitive.

On a sidenote, ore mining will NOT be worth 30M/hour in odyssey. I wonder if ratting in soon-to-be-abandoned belts is going to beat mining in ISK/hour....

I just found my (probably last) Large Hedbergite gravimetric, so I'm in a good mood. No concurents so far, seems like everybody and his dog is getting ready for Ice Camping by stockpiling ice.

On a sidenote, ore mining will NOT be worth 30M/hour in odyssey. I wonder if ratting in soon-to-be-abandoned belts is going to beat mining in ISK/hour....

And see it already mined down by dudes who camped the system since the patch rollout, knew exact respawn time (which made you arrive at least 5 minutes late), and who just happen to have a few catalysts ready in case of... you.

Oh noes competition for resources in a primarily PvP game.

If you want it enough and somebody else has it then take it from them, game mechanics are already in place for doing so. You can wardec them, or if they're in NPC corps, suicide gank them with alts to take what you feel is yours.

If only eve had PvP not tied to "more skillpoints always win" formula, I'd try it before 2016. Right now, there is no way to fit into PvP niche with just 2-3 years old account.

Suicide ganking works both ways, so it's not an option.

If only eve had PvP not tied to "more skillpoints always win" formula, I'd try it before 2016. Right now, there is no way to fit into PvP niche with just 2-3 years old account.

Suicide ganking works both ways, so it's not an option.

"you get Trit around 4 isk/unit, Pyerite at 7, Mexallon around 35, and Isogen at about 90. Nocxium, Zydrine and Megacyte look about as they do now." ~ mynnna's prediction on mineral prices, taken from his latest TMC article.

Were I to make a list of the people whom I'd least expect to have the words "be a bro" directed at, Solstice Project would have been at the top of the list.

That is an overoptimistic prediction as it looks to me, and even like this, hisec mining won't survive.
Ice is getting camped, so you may forget it existed, belts are going to be worth about as much as L3 (not even L4 lol) so it's a contest for new gravimetric anomalies...
Let's see if there's going to be enough of them. Belts turn completely useless though anyway.

That is an overoptimistic prediction as it looks to me, and even like this, hisec mining won't survive.

no it's not, it's a very realistic one.

you heard it here first guys. 3m/isk hour less will RUIN high sec mining.
do you actually read what you type before you hit post?

That is an overoptimistic prediction as it looks to me.

In any way ...

Completely ignoring what i have learned from dave,
namely that no matter what minerals are worth,
miners actually always make the same amount of money relative to what everything else costs ...
(did i say that the right way ?)

If the masses of miners were smart. they'd hide suicide gankers to get rid of competition ...
... but sadly, only a few actually are smart ...

27M past odyssey? It's the best you can get in a belt now, in odyssey top belt mining is going to be half of that. Incentive to mine with this: Zero. Zero incentive means dead profession.

miners actually always make the same amount of money relative to what everything else costs ...
(did i say that the right way ?)

That is an overoptimistic prediction as it looks to me, and even like this, hisec mining won't survive.
Ice is getting camped, so you may forget it existed, belts are going to be worth about as much as L3 (not even L4 lol) so it's a contest for new gravimetric anomalies...
Let's see if there's going to be enough of them. Belts turn completely useless though anyway.

There is no competition right now, so every account in catalyst might as well be mining.
There may be so much competition in odyssey, that every account in catalyst is going to meet two catalysts already ganking his target.

Miners used to get 2 isk/unit Trit when I started out in EVE. The hulk was at 145m back then. Somehow they did not perish.

I just fail to explain it in a way that makes sense.

Except there were no miners. Alloys. Shuttles. Meta x stuff reprocessing. No need to mine.
I remember the times too, you know.

Magic!

No, you don't. Otherwise, you'd remember the abundance of miners.

I totally fail to understand your logic.

Dave's a miner. Dave taught me that it's completely irrelevant if a miner makes one, three, five, twelve isk per [mineral],
because prices of all the things build with [mineral] will go up/down accordingly,
meaning that the miner actually always makes the same value of money.

I just fail to explain it in a way that makes sense.

Anyway, there is no reason to believe that mining will die out. If supply really goes down,
there will be more people mining, because the prices will go up. And, even if that won't happen so fast,
once everything got cheaper, miners will start mining simply because it's worth it,
compared to what everything else costs.

The market for highsec minerals isn't just nullsec.

Where the frak do you think those mining boats you keep losing come from?

All those mission runners need to keep buying ammo and drones, too.

I'm not saying "mining is dead", I say that hisec mining is.

Really? Cuz those are totally not dropping from mobs on a mission runs...