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CCP Quant
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.15 21:28:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:1. This seems to be only usable with plex, will i not be able to use this with the Icelandic game time cards?
2. So you're doing this, COULD YOU PLEASE ADD A SWITCH CHARACTER OPTION??? =< Bumping my question <.<
1. As far as i know you can turn the game time cards into PLEX, hence you can so to speak use them for this
2. Yes this annoys a lot of us doesn't it :) some day... some day
Nirnaeth Ornoediad wrote:PLEX is fairly expensive compared to purchasing a 12-month subscription. Are there plans to allow someone to, for example, pay double the 12-month subscription cost, and thus enable dual-character training for 12 months? The same question applies for the 6-month and 3-month discounted costs. (I realize most people would rather just open a second account, and thus have 6 toons.)
That might be an option in the future if this works out fine. We decided to start with this and see where it takes us, but to be clear there are no immediate plans on going further with this.
Alx Warlord wrote:
The next big step would be allowing to merge all counts, with one Api, one login... I thing we all share this dream!
Fly Safe o/
I couldn't agree more
And finally, to the few (some obvious trolls ) complaining about CCP being greedy with this feature:
We are not removing or replacing existing methods. Of course there are scenarios where it would be cheaper to sign up for a new account but then by all means take the cheapest path, we are simply giving you, our beloved users, an alternate way of training alts. |
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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance
931
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Posted - 2013.05.15 21:36:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Should be interesting but I don't really see the point as it's basically the same as having two accounts? I first thought that too but I can train up say a PVP alt to fly T1 frigs and cruisers to a level I like then stop training it. However, since I still play my main I still have the PVP alt to screw around with that isn't completely gimped....all while continue training on my alt.
One issue I have is the industry I do with my alts. Just the other day I wanted to switch what I was making, which wasn't very profitable anymore, to something else and he didn't have the level 3 science skill I needed. Had to pause, then train...switch back. Bleh...this will make it much easier.
Only question I have though is, is there a limit? Can you theoretically pay two plex and have two characters training forever as long as you pay the plex? Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
SunTsu Rae
Legion Of The Spoon People Gecko Alliance
10
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Posted - 2013.05.15 21:45:00 -
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Aiko Intaki wrote:Not a fan of this for the following reason:
- CCP begins with an arbitrary limit of 1 character training per account. - Players get multiple accounts to circumvent the limitation. - CCP sees this and offers to remove the arbitrary limit, for a price.
This, in my opinion, is a dark shade of monetization. It isn't as bone-headed as the monocle, but it's a ****** thing to do.
If there is no longer any technical justification or community/market concerns supporting the 1 character per account training limit, simply remove it. Don't nickel and dime us to get around an arbitrary limit you've imposed on us.
Yeah , like i said , FREEDOM ! SunTsu Rae Ensuring Rights, Recognition, and Remembrance. (Gulf War 1991) [url]http://www.vfw.org[/url] |
SunTsu Rae
Legion Of The Spoon People Gecko Alliance
10
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Posted - 2013.05.15 21:46:00 -
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Damion Rayne wrote:Now this is straight up greed.
There has never been a valid reason posted anywhere, as to why more than one character can't be training skills at the same time on the same account. This is pure greed, pure money grubbing (someone has to buy the plex) and it's simply disgusting. There has never been any real, proven, valid, technical limitation to stop more than one character training on an account and this *new* "Feature" proves just that. They can do it, they just didn't want to do until they came up with a reason to make us pay for it.
FREEDOM ! SunTsu Rae Ensuring Rights, Recognition, and Remembrance. (Gulf War 1991) [url]http://www.vfw.org[/url] |
Alx Warlord
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY Extinction Level Event.
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Posted - 2013.05.15 21:47:00 -
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Damion Rayne wrote:Now this is straight up greed.
There has never been a valid reason posted anywhere, as to why more than one character can't be training skills at the same time on the same account. This is pure greed, pure money grubbing (someone has to buy the plex) and it's simply disgusting. There has never been any real, proven, valid, technical limitation to stop more than one character training on an account and this *new* "Feature" proves just that. They can do it, they just didn't want to do until they came up with a reason to make us pay for it.
So, you really want to play a game, so awesome as eve is, where Devs work hard to make it better every day and is complaining about paying them for their hard work? You want them working for free as slaves? This is what I call disgusting.
The reason things are the way they are is Balance: Skill points are Time + Money. If you give training for free you just ruin the value of the product (EVE Online). In other words, having a good character becomes meaningless if everyone can get 2/3 of them for free.
And if you put your toughs strait, many players that want to get some alts, without stopping the main character training have a new option other then paying a new account, an then paying to merge the accounts when he is satisfied with it. this saves them some money. It is a good new option and will help these players allot. And this will also sounds fair to players that always wanted an alt but had no courage to do it.
This is a Win/Win Situation, this is good for CCP that sell more their product, and is good for players that want to buy it. If it starts to not give profit CCP have all rights to remove it. But I bet that the demand for this service will outcome the drop in the price of making an alt in the old way.
Fly Safe o/ Please read these! > New POS system > New SOV system |
SunTsu Rae
Legion Of The Spoon People Gecko Alliance
10
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Posted - 2013.05.15 21:48:00 -
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Aiko Intaki wrote:David Magnus wrote:Aiko Intaki wrote:Not a fan of this for the following reason:
- CCP begins with an arbitrary limit of 1 character training per account. - Players get multiple accounts to circumvent the limitation. - CCP sees this and offers to remove the arbitrary limit, for a price.
This, in my opinion, is a dark shade of monetization. It isn't as bone-headed as the monocle, but it's a ****** thing to do.
If there is no longer any technical justification or community/market concerns supporting the 1 character per account training limit, simply remove it. Don't nickel and dime us to get around an arbitrary limit you've imposed on us. I doubt it was ever an arbitrary technical limitation. It a massive game design issue - suddenly allowing 3x more characters to be training all at once has a lot of long-term unforeseen consequences I would bet. I would agree, if it weren't for the introduction of second character training on a single account for a fee. Single training is fine and dandy due to any number of justifications, but once you remove that limitation by spending PLEX in game those justifications fall to the wayside and the limitation becomes arbitrary. It's little different than other MMOs which include steep XP curves, then sell bonus XP potions/implants in their online stores. This feature should be free, or the limitation should remain in place.
FREEDOM ! SunTsu Rae Ensuring Rights, Recognition, and Remembrance. (Gulf War 1991) [url]http://www.vfw.org[/url] |
Anathema Matou
Moonmaiden Ltd.
6
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Posted - 2013.05.15 22:00:00 -
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CCP RubberBAND wrote:Anathema Matou wrote:This new feature has a UI problem. Please keep the option to activate dual training 2 steps away from activate game time, to avoid... accidents , i.e. below the "return to redeem items" option. There is an additional modal window which will require confirmation. If not these two, then there will be another two options next to each other. We discussed this internally but hopefully the modal confirmation window is enough to prevent mistakes?
Actually, to elaborate why this is dangerous and, imho, insufficient to prevent mistakes: the activate-game-time also has a dialog box (even two, one for activating and one for the "please wait between consecutive activations"). People get used to quickly clicking OKAY on those. So having another option with a model dialog is not very safe. |
SunTsu Rae
Legion Of The Spoon People Gecko Alliance
10
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Posted - 2013.05.15 22:07:00 -
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Alx Warlord wrote:Damion Rayne wrote:Now this is straight up greed.
There has never been a valid reason posted anywhere, as to why more than one character can't be training skills at the same time on the same account. This is pure greed, pure money grubbing (someone has to buy the plex) and it's simply disgusting. There has never been any real, proven, valid, technical limitation to stop more than one character training on an account and this *new* "Feature" proves just that. They can do it, they just didn't want to do until they came up with a reason to make us pay for it. So, you really want to play a game, so awesome as eve is, where Devs work hard to make it better every day and is complaining about paying them for their hard work? You want them working for free as slaves? This is what I call disgusting. The reason things are the way they are is Balance: Skill points are Time + Money. If you give training for free you just ruin the value of the product (EVE Online). In other words, having a good character becomes meaningless if everyone can get 2/3 of them for free. And if you put your toughs strait, many players that want to get some alts, without stopping the main character training have a new option other then paying a new account, an then paying to merge the accounts when he is satisfied with it. this saves them some money. It is a good new option and will help these players allot. And this will also sounds fair to players that always wanted an alt but had no courage to do it. This is a Win/Win Situation, this is good for CCP that sell more their product, and is good for players that want to buy it. If it starts to not give profit CCP have all rights to remove it. But I bet that the demand for this service will outcome the drop in the price of making an alt in the old way. Fly Safe o/
I've read enough. To say that your prose is well put together is true, to say that you have a valid point, no so true. I pay for the account per year, because I work for a living. Why should I pay again for a feature that should already be built in? Slaves, really? Grow up , I'm going to guess that PLEX sales in Eve this week alone are more than you have made in your last year of wages. ( probably for me as well ) So please do not attempt to extract tears for the DEVS.
If they are going to do this , you do it completely and without punishing the collective.
Another possibility , Alliances that have amassed PLEX will now have an advantage to increase their numbers by enabling their current members to skill and stage an alt in several places. Let's see , 3 skilled toons , 5 clones = 15 locations to be posted as required by the alliance. That's a serious tactical and possible strategic gain there.
SunTsu Rae Ensuring Rights, Recognition, and Remembrance. (Gulf War 1991) [url]http://www.vfw.org[/url] |
Phoenix Jones
Shockwave Innovations Shockwave Sovereign Industries
6
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Posted - 2013.05.15 22:29:00 -
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CCP Doubled the price of a account and nobody is even twitching. (they actually increased it by over 125%).
Surprisingly come a few years ago when they planned all of this Pay to Play, the Eve Universe Rioted. |
Vorll Minaaran
Centre Of Attention Middle of Nowhere
11
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Posted - 2013.05.15 22:36:00 -
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CCP RubberBAND wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:CCP RubberBAND wrote:
We discussed showing the time remaining somewhere in game, but it's not really a timer we want to be showing anywhere in game.
Why not? CCP RubberBAND wrote: At least we were not convinced this is something players would want to see ticking down at all time. As we do not show account time remaining anywhere either.
Well, that time should be shown too. Why not? And the players would not see it "all the time", just when their character sheet is open. Even then they would not see a time ticking down, just the expiration date and time. I'll bring this up with the team again, since a few people are asking about this in the thread, but it's basically to do with verisimilitude or what things belong/fit in game and what things belong/fit in account management pages. So far with the exception of PLEX, there is little in game which references account management and that's intentional. Showing things which are removed from the EVE universe in gameplay or narrative terms is something we have tried to avoid, but like I said we will discuss this and see if the PLEX section or character sheet is the right place to potentially show timers like this. There are a number of different views within the team itself, so that's one of the reasons we have held off on a timer of some kind. Feedback like this is great though as it helps us know what you guys wants.
I agree, but we have Pilot License, and PLEX to extend, so lore wont hurt with a Pilot license expire date in the Character sheet/Pilot License menu. Although the description of PLEX don fit perfectly into the EVE universe too: This item extends your game time by 30 days when activated. So with a better descreption i could fit into the EVE universe. At least it could be on the character selection screen after login. |
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JediRobin
Globaltech Industries Yulai Federation
8
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Posted - 2013.05.15 22:37:00 -
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Ok this sounds good but can we do the following.....
We have a paid account with say 3 toons. 1 is the main....with the main account training as we do now. Alt 2 paused training Alt 3 paused training
Will this new feature of 1 plex allow training alt 2 for 1/2 month then pause alt 2, and continue training alt 3 for the other 1/2 month..?????
If not
The work around would be to plex train our main alt for 30days, and use our main account training to train alt 2 for 1/2 month and alt 3 for 1/2 month then when plex month is finished on alt 1 we can then use account training back on alt 1.
Regards
JEDI
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Nessy Bruemel
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.15 22:52:00 -
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I like this option to train 2 Chars. on one Account very much, I'm sure i will use it on my Accounts next time. But one Question I have. When I get the possibility do skill my Alt account. I will do it all the time. What because you may not give us a possibility to rent an Account-abo, where this option is fix included for the complete time?
Sorry for my English I'm German. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
855
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Posted - 2013.05.15 22:56:00 -
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CCP Quant wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:1. This seems to be only usable with plex, will i not be able to use this with the Icelandic game time cards?
2. So you're doing this, COULD YOU PLEASE ADD A SWITCH CHARACTER OPTION??? =< Bumping my question <.< 1. As far as i know you can turn the game time cards into PLEX, hence you can so to speak use them for this 2. Yes this annoys a lot of us doesn't it :) some day... some day
You can't convert the icelandic GTC's to plex...
BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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CCP Quant
C C P C C P Alliance
22
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Posted - 2013.05.15 22:56:00 -
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JediRobin wrote: Will this new feature of 1 plex allow training alt 2 for 1/2 month then pause alt 2, and continue training alt 3 for the other 1/2 month..?????
Yes |
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Alx Warlord
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY Extinction Level Event.
467
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Posted - 2013.05.15 23:03:00 -
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SunTsu Rae wrote: I've read enough. To say that your prose is well put together is true, to say that you have a valid point, no so true. I pay for the account per year, because I work for a living. Why should I pay again for a feature that should already be built in? Slaves, really? Grow up , I'm going to guess that PLEX sales in Eve this week alone are more than you have made in your last year of wages. ( probably for me as well ) So please do not attempt to extract tears for the DEVS.
If they are going to do this , you do it completely and without punishing the collective.
Another possibility , Alliances that have amassed PLEX will now have an advantage to increase their numbers by enabling their current members to skill and stage an alt in several places. Let's see , 3 skilled toons , 5 clones = 15 locations to be posted as required by the alliance. That's a serious tactical and possible strategic gain there.
Thx,
But this is not a valid counter argument.
You pay the account per year, if you want a second char/account training before this feature you would have to pay a second account anyway. This feature is not adding anything new, it is offering the same old thing with a new shiny. And if CCP had made it for free, it would depreciate the game value, as the only thing that have real value in the game is the SP that is made of Subscription Time and Money. And the "Dual Character Training" preserves it.
Alliances that had amassed PLEX already had the possibilities to found Alt accounts for its members.... and these members could pay to merge the char into the main account.... this was not a huge game change... But indeed it was an great market move by increasing the Accessibility of alts to the costumers.
So I got to say that this only benefits the collective... Do you have any other thing to point?
Please read these! > New POS system > New SOV system |
Emrys Ap'Morgravaine
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
54
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Posted - 2013.05.15 23:36:00 -
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Kip Troger wrote:I dont really understand what is so hard about having multiple accounts. Is this feature intended for players with multiple characters on one account already who dont want to pay to transfer them to a new account? If I want to train two characters at once, i just use two accounts because that way i can dualbox them. This seems like it will just let people not have to pay transfer fees - which doesnt make a financial sense from CCP.
I think its more aimed for those people who want to train something short on an alt, but who have perhaps not done so due to the extra cost of having another account and incurring the extra cost in moving the alt to and back from aforementioned account.
Especially those people who only have 1 account full stop.
So if anything, its more likely to bring in some extra revenue for CCP, or at the very least drive the cost of plexes a bit higher than it already is. |
JediRobin
Globaltech Industries Yulai Federation
8
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Posted - 2013.05.15 23:50:00 -
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CCP Quant wrote:JediRobin wrote: Will this new feature of 1 plex allow training alt 2 for 1/2 month then pause alt 2, and continue training alt 3 for the other 1/2 month..?????
Yes
Now I will love this feature.
Regards
JEDI
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Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
873
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Posted - 2013.05.16 01:02:00 -
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Shut up and take my money
And by money I mean money, not plex, mainly because :effort:
Also triple training and the one account to rule them all thingie We are recruiting german-speaking PVP players, contact me :)
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Brante Sletkia
Infinite Improbability Inc Unclaimed.
0
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Posted - 2013.05.16 01:06:00 -
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Roajax wrote:Go the full distance.... Increase the number of toons per account to at least 9. Allow us to login multiple characters at once.
IE: If I'm paying 2 plex's per month I should be able to login 2 toons on that account. Nothing worse than trying to make the right combo of pilots + cynos work when there are ridiculous account restrictions. IE: toon1 on account#1 with cyno. toon #2 on account #2 with carrier. toon #3 on account #1 with jump freighter. See the problem? Would be a ton easier if I could just whichever 2 toons I need. Bump, this is totally true why go halfway? A plex/or sub for a month just for training seems a bit steep for a character I cannot play at the same time...either make the other char playable, or go the full distance and allow training on all 3 chars at once. I would pay for 3 char training for 2 subs, but 2 char for 2 subs...while this is a nice feature, and I am looking forward to it...it should be playable or all trainable for that price. |
Verbz
ANZAC ALLIANCE Unclaimed.
3
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Posted - 2013.05.16 01:47:00 -
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This is a tax for stupid people, it would be cheaper to start a new account and train that way lol. |
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Emrys Ap'Morgravaine
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
54
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Posted - 2013.05.16 01:54:00 -
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Verbz wrote:This is a tax for stupid people, it would be cheaper to start a new account and train that way lol.
Not really, what if an alt only needs a 2 week skill trained? having a second account means also keeping it subbed for the character in question to be available whenever needed, not -everyone- wants to have multiple (or even a second) account. |
Dex Tera
DIVERGENT PROXY
92
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Posted - 2013.05.16 02:00:00 -
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what i would like firstly i want plex timers i want to know how long i have left on my plex and i want to see it on my characters sheet i also want to know how much training time i have left on my second plex
secondly if i apply a second plex to my account i want to be able to load a secondary client and FLY with that toon as well as my main and this is a must i think if ccp wants this to function to be used often
also i want to be able to switch to a toon on my account without having to close the client and starting a new client when this happens i will give you more of my money
also i think that being able to only train a second toon that i can't fly at the same time as my main for the same price is a waste and pointless allow us to fly both or let us train toon slot 2 and 3 for that secondary plex plz
thanks for reading and considering it CCP |
Dex Tera
DIVERGENT PROXY
92
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Posted - 2013.05.16 02:16:00 -
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i like the idea of having one account with many toons that i can login too based on how many plexes i have applied on that account i want on account with say X amount of toon slots but being able to fly with whatever toon has an active plex and so i could have say 8 toons on one account but i have 3 with active plexes on them so that i can actually fly all 3 of them at the same time and if say i want ed to just train a toon and not be able to fly it while my mains are online then i could use an arm token for that say half of a plex for 30 days of training so i could get 60 days of training for one plex on an inactive toon
or set it up so that if i have 9 toons on my account i can apply 3 plex to that account and fly any 3 at time but be able to train just 3 at a time |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
5092
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Posted - 2013.05.16 02:54:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Should be interesting but I don't really see the point as it's basically the same as having two accounts? You know, there's a lot of people I expect this from, but not you. You're smarter than this. -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |
James Cobb
Mabnen Mining Salvage
0
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Posted - 2013.05.16 03:57:00 -
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Nice Idea, however, I must take a pass to this. Until such time as I am able to handle this feature better. We shall see what the future holds, and then go from there. at the moment, I can only afford three characters (yea, I know, mine the ore and save up fro plex, i get that), but right now, I only want to do three for the time being. Nice idea. kudos on a great idea. |
Vizvig
Savage Blizzard Bright Side of Death
82
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Posted - 2013.05.16 04:22:00 -
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We know that we dont need anything that break balance. (like gold shells)
My idea: how about new skills for aurum? Skills dont disrupt balance because they should be trained. |
Nicen Jehr
Swarm Federation
197
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Posted - 2013.05.16 05:37:00 -
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Definitely show time remaining till account expiry somewhere ingame, probably character sheet! Not EVERYONE uses Evemon.
And do these improvments mean you're closer to automating the many clicks it takes to pause/restart the training queue when jump cloning / plugging implants? Little Things to improve GëíGïüGëí-á| My Little Things posts |
Keith F
United ALT Forces United Tech Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2013.05.16 05:53:00 -
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Nice feature, but how about for small fee(30 days becomes 28)maybe, allow us to SPLIT the plex into 4X7day training-plexs, or 7x 4 day training plexs, Then we can store and apply as applicable, or maybe even sell/trade. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
8245
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Posted - 2013.05.16 06:35:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Chribba wrote:Should be interesting but I don't really see the point as it's basically the same as having two accounts? You know, there's a lot of people I expect this from, but not you. You're smarter than this. I don't think it's a bad thing, and there's views that have indeed made me go ahh from the way I play the game that I didn't think about before when people show their support for dual training.
But I realize that is because the way I viewed it so I'm glad I got to get your views since some of them are nothing I ever thought about
Although it would make it maybe a bit easier to not having to log on so many different accounts... if only there was a way to log off to character select...
Thank you!
/c
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Styledatol
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
36
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Posted - 2013.05.16 06:47:00 -
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Seems silly to me, paying plex for a toon that you can't have logged on at the same time as your mains. Although I understand CCPs need to prosper as a business and increase revenue, I don't see this type of service being cost effective to the players vs. starting a new account/pausing training on existing one.
Reasons being: If I want a PI/cyno/hauler/scanning alt, I can get one the old way, since my main's training is so far down the line, a month or two without training won't handicap me: Which is the case for many of my alliance mates and other wh residents who need multiple alts. Not to mention focused accounts (haulers/miners/scanners/etc.) who don't really need lots of SP to be effective, and don't miss out on a paused training queue. If I want a substantial toon, with decent skills, that can be used for more than cynoing/scanning I'll just get another account, since having said toon is better when you can have it and your other accounts logged on at the same time. |
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