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Kip Troger
Exiled Kings Enlightened Violence
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:44:00 -
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CCP RubberBAND wrote:Anathema Matou wrote:This new feature has a UI problem. Please keep the option to activate dual training 2 steps away from activate game time, to avoid... accidents , i.e. below the "return to redeem items" option. There is an additional modal window which will require confirmation. If not these two, then there will be another two options next to each other. We discussed this internally but hopefully the modal confirmation window is enough to prevent mistakes? Kip Troger wrote:What happens if you have an alt that currently is dual training along side your main and you sell that alt on the character bazzarre and transfer it to another account?
Is the 30 days basically just a bank that you can use whenever, and you can use it or save it as needed, or is it constantly running as a use or lose? The time runs like subscription time, it does not pause if you have no two characters in training.
Hmmm...That is not ideal. I guess I will just have to make sure I can use all 30 days and still have to swap with my main for any time leftover. But i guess this is only a rare occurance for most... |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1753
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:45:00 -
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Kip Troger wrote:I dont really understand what is so hard about having multiple accounts. Is this feature intended for players with multiple characters on one account already who dont want to pay to transfer them to a new account? If I want to train two characters at once, i just use two accounts because that way i can dualbox them. This seems like it will just let people not have to pay transfer fees - which doesnt make a financial sense from CCP. It's definately a reevnue enhancer - most people won't be using it full-time though.
Give myself as an example - I have two accounts, but there are times (like the impending Odyssey update) when there are some things I want trained across as many alts as possible - In this case, Battlecruisers. Well, I'm going to manage to get three, maybe four, of my 'toons to BC V. With this training change, I could've managed a clean sweep with ease whilst not seriously impacting my primary training plan. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
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Fulmen
Failed Diplomacy
0
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:54:00 -
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It's already been said but if you can't log in both accounts, then there is no point in dual training on a single account, while paying for two accounts. The only benefit I see coming from this change is for character farmers who can now effectively manage half the accounts required to run their businesses. |
Phoenix Jones
Shockwave Innovations Shockwave Sovereign Industries
6
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:00:00 -
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Fulmen wrote:It's already been said but if you can't log in both accounts, then there is no point in dual training on a single account, while paying for two accounts. The only benefit I see coming from this change is for character farmers who can now effectively manage half the accounts required to run their businesses.
There are allot of people who really don't want 15 accounts. I myself like to have 2, no more, PERIOD. It'll be a convenience for allot of people.
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Maximus Andendare
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
155
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:01:00 -
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CCP RubberBAND wrote:Anathema Matou wrote:This new feature has a UI problem. Please keep the option to activate dual training 2 steps away from activate game time, to avoid... accidents , i.e. below the "return to redeem items" option. There is an additional modal window which will require confirmation. If not these two, then there will be another two options next to each other. We discussed this internally but hopefully the modal confirmation window is enough to prevent mistakes? On sort of an unrelated note to UI, could you please move the Repackage/Reprocess apart?? :)
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
8212
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:01:00 -
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Should be interesting but I don't really see the point as it's basically the same as having two accounts?
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Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
694
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:03:00 -
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CCP RubberBAND wrote:Kip Troger wrote:What happens if you have an alt that currently is dual training along side your main and you sell that alt on the character bazzarre and transfer it to another account?
Is the 30 days basically just a bank that you can use whenever, and you can use it or save it as needed, or is it constantly running as a use or lose? The time runs like subscription time, it does not pause if you have no two characters in training.
If you want to make this feature any difference from a second account at all, i would at least make it pause if you don't want to train the second character and save the training time for later. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
854
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:06:00 -
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1. This seems to be only usable with plex, will i not be able to use this with the Icelandic game time cards?
2. So you're doing this, COULD YOU PLEASE ADD A SWITCH CHARACTER OPTION??? =< BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1753
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:11:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Should be interesting but I don't really see the point as it's basically the same as having two accounts? Not quite - It's like having two accounts while you're training two accounts. Other times, it's just like having one account - Or, put another way, it's like having a second account you can turn on and off more-or-less at-will.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
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Vincent Gaines
Cold Moon Destruction. Transmission Lost
473
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:19:00 -
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CAN I USE TWO CLIENTS AND HAVE EACH CHARACTER LOGGED ON AT THE SAME TIME?
THANK YOU AND I AM SORRY FOR YELLING. Not a diplo.-á
The above post was edited for spelling. |
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iskflakes
447
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:26:00 -
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0mni Ca wrote:Roajax wrote:Go the full distance.... Increase the number of toons per account to at least 9. Allow us to login multiple characters at once.
IE: If I'm paying 2 plex's per month I should be able to login 2 toons on that account. Nothing worse than trying to make the right combo of pilots + cynos work when there are ridiculous account restrictions. IE: toon1 on account#1 with cyno. toon #2 on account #2 with carrier. toon #3 on account #1 with jump freighter. See the problem? Would be a ton easier if I could just whichever 2 toons I need. Agreed, I love the idea, as there are some toons I don't need to login at the same time, but I would love to only have 1 login to deal with when I use my multiple accounts. This is how I believe it should be: 1 Account per person 1 Plex allows you to access any 3 characters you have on your account, if you have 5 characters on your account, only 3 will be accessible, see below. Each additional Plex allows you to train 1 additional character and unlock 3 additional or existing characters currently on your account. Each additional Plex allows you to login simultaneously one more character on your account. If you have had more than 1 Plex active on the account and it expires, your training on your least skilled character will expire, and upon your next login, you will be prompted to select which characters on your account are disabled to keep you within your limit of 3 characters. If you would like to enable a 4th character on your account, you can either delete an existing character you currently have active on your account or activate a plex. There is no limit on how many Plex's you can have acitve on your account. Your account active time will be whenever the last active Plex was on your account.
This would make life a lot simpler. It's ridiculous that I need to remember 12 passwords and account names, and keep track of 12 API keys, and somehow remember which alts are on which accounts, etc. There should be just a single account with each PLEX providing +1 character in training, +1 simultaneous login and +3 character slots. The only thing that's stopping me getting more accounts right now is the complexity the system already has. - |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1753
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:30:00 -
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iskflakes wrote: The only thing that's stopping me getting more accounts right now is the complexity the system already has. I suspect that a lot of the awkwardness is architechural, thus built-in and not easily to resolve. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
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Bubanni
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
691
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:30:00 -
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From my point of view, there is only a small advantage to this compared to having an extra account and paying for that, so all in all :3 don't care much for this feature, but it's welcome none the less Supercap nerf - change ewar immunity https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=194759 Module activation delay! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1180934 |
Moraguth
Ranger Corp
59
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:31:00 -
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First off, this is one of the biggest changes to overall eve philosophy since the skill queue (and I've been here since beta). Second, I probably won't be using this feature, but if I ever do, there's one thing I'd like to be able to see.
You said the time remaining would be visible from the account management screen. I'd like to see that information available in game. From any of your characters. At any time.
Last, I have a question. Can you activate that secondary training a second time so that you could have all 3 characters on your account training at the same time? (spend two PLEX, of course) I can kill you with my brain too. It's genetic. |
David Magnus
167
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:32:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:CAN I USE TWO CLIENTS AND HAVE EACH CHARACTER LOGGED ON AT THE SAME TIME?
THANK YOU AND I AM SORRY FOR YELLING.
No, this is not a replacement for having a full-fledged alt account. Also, I'm sure the technical hurdles behind that change are massive and would take a full re-thinking of the entire account and character system.
This is specifically for the few circumstances where it is really useful to have a fixed-skillpoint alt on an existing account, but you don't want to stop training on your main. If you only need a month of training on a character, this saves you a full plex in the transfer fee later. http://soundcloud.com/davidkmagnus/fight-us-maybe http://soundcloud.com/davidkmagnus/winterupdate http://soundcloud.com/davidkmagnus/supercaps http://soundcloud.com/davidkmagnus/pandemiclegion |
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CCP RubberBAND
CCP Engineering Corp CCP Engineering Alliance
222
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:35:00 -
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Moraguth wrote:First off, this is one of the biggest changes to overall eve philosophy since the skill queue (and I've been here since beta). Second, I probably won't be using this feature, but if I ever do, there's one thing I'd like to be able to see.
You said the time remaining would be visible from the account management screen. I'd like to see that information available in game. From any of your characters. At any time.
Last, I have a question. Can you activate that secondary training a second time so that you could have all 3 characters on your account training at the same time? (spend two PLEX, of course)
This is limited to 2 characters at the moment. We will monitor this and can make adjustments in the future. We have to monitor what impact this might have on the PLEX market, etc.
We discussed showing the time remaining somewhere in game, but it's not really a timer we want to be showing anywhere in game. At least we were not convinced this is something players would want to see ticking down at all time. As we do not show account time remaining anywhere either.
Feel free to poke me on: Twitter |
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Naomi Darson
RNA Enterprises
2
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:36:00 -
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CCP RubberBAND wrote:Roajax wrote:Go the full distance.... Increase the number of toons per account to at least 9. Allow us to login multiple characters at once.
IE: If I'm paying 2 plex's per month I should be able to login 2 toons on that account. Nothing worse than trying to make the right combo of pilots + cynos work when there are ridiculous account restrictions. IE: toon1 on account#1 with cyno. toon #2 on account #2 with carrier. toon #3 on account #1 with jump freighter. See the problem? Would be a ton easier if I could just whichever 2 toons I need. This is a HUGE task. Really big emphasis on how difficult this is. Not comparable in scope to what we had to do for this feature.
Maybe so, but it would also be a HUGE usability gain for players with multiple accounts. I guess whether that warrants the effort will depend on how many players have multiple accounts. |
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CCP Quant
C C P C C P Alliance
11
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:37:00 -
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DmitryEKT wrote:Will we have triple training as an option too?
Max Kolonko wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQCP85FngzE
always wanted to post it for a CCP dev blog. Now I finally have a chance :)
speaking of which: why cant we use money to pay for dual training and only plex?
This is a start of an experiment so to say, if it turns out to be successful then adding triple slots or alternative payment options might become available. All depending on your feedback of course.
Roajax wrote:Go the full distance.... Increase the number of toons per account to at least 9. Allow us to login multiple characters at once.
IE: If I'm paying 2 plex's per month I should be able to login 2 toons on that account. Nothing worse than trying to make the right combo of pilots + cynos work when there are ridiculous account restrictions. IE: toon1 on account#1 with cyno. toon #2 on account #2 with carrier. toon #3 on account #1 with jump freighter. See the problem? Would be a ton easier if I could just whichever 2 toons I need.
One idea would be for users to have a single account where you would buy characters slots and pilot licenses, much like how it is in World of Tanks. Imagine all your alts under one account, one API to rule them all... But this is just me daydreaming, hopefully one day we'll get there.
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Tanaka Aiko
ICE is Coming to EVE Goonswarm Federation
176
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:38:00 -
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That's perfect for my way of doing things, thanks! :) |
Merouk Baas
643
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:39:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Should be interesting but I don't really see the point as it's basically the same as having two accounts?
It's not the same as having two accounts.
If you have a character that has no need of training, like a CEO, but you need access to it repeatedly, it would be a huge cost to maintain a second account for that character to be able to log in as needed. So most people make the CEO a same-account alt, but then they can't train it if their corp increases past a certain size, for example. |
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Lady Zarrina
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
90
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:40:00 -
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Damn you CCP!!!!
Creating useful features to separate me from my hard earned ISK/PLEX. Allocate resources to POS improvement |
iskflakes
448
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:40:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:iskflakes wrote: The only thing that's stopping me getting more accounts right now is the complexity the system already has. I suspect that a lot of the awkwardness is architechural, thus built-in and not easily to resolve.
This is very probably true. The server might just explode if the same account ID was in use by multiple characters simultaneously, but that said there are always workarounds. Behind the scenes this could be implemented by splitting all EVE accounts into three single-character accounts, each with their own subscription and training time, then add a new login screen UI to enable rapidly swapping the active subscription(s) between these accounts. This would be invisible to the user, who would just click on a character and say "activate training" or "log in".
It's certainly something I would like to see CCP work on. - |
Moraguth
Ranger Corp
59
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:42:00 -
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CCP RubberBAND wrote:Moraguth wrote:First off, this is one of the biggest changes to overall eve philosophy since the skill queue (and I've been here since beta). Second, I probably won't be using this feature, but if I ever do, there's one thing I'd like to be able to see.
You said the time remaining would be visible from the account management screen. I'd like to see that information available in game. From any of your characters. At any time.
Last, I have a question. Can you activate that secondary training a second time so that you could have all 3 characters on your account training at the same time? (spend two PLEX, of course) This is limited to 2 characters at the moment. We will monitor this and can make adjustments in the future. We have to monitor what impact this might have on the PLEX market, etc. We discussed showing the time remaining somewhere in game, but it's not really a timer we want to be showing anywhere in game. At least we were not convinced this is something players would want to see ticking down at all time. As we do not show account time remaining anywhere either.
Funny you mention that.... (that's for leading this exactly where i wanted you to!) On the "Pilot License" section of the character sheet, all it says is "Pilot license in order".... It would be nice if it told you how long you were "certified" for. I pay my subscription a year at a time, but it would be nice to see (quickly) how long till that bill is coming due. =)
But I'm all for consistency. If you do it for one case, you should do it for both. But if not for one, then not the other too.
THANKS for the quick replies today! I can kill you with my brain too. It's genetic. |
iskflakes
448
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:42:00 -
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CCP Quant wrote:One idea would be for users to have a single account where you would buy characters slots and pilot licenses, much like how it is in World of Tanks. Imagine all your alts under one account, one API to rule them all... But this is just me daydreaming, hopefully one day we'll get there.
Please do this! - |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1862
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:46:00 -
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CCP RubberBAND wrote:
We discussed showing the time remaining somewhere in game, but it's not really a timer we want to be showing anywhere in game.
Why not?
CCP RubberBAND wrote: At least we were not convinced this is something players would want to see ticking down at all time. As we do not show account time remaining anywhere either.
Well, that time should be shown too. Why not? And the players would not see it "all the time", just when their character sheet is open. Even then they would not see a time ticking down, just the expiration date and time. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Nirnaeth Ornoediad
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
161
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:47:00 -
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PLEX is fairly expensive compared to purchasing a 12-month subscription. Are there plans to allow someone to, for example, pay double the 12-month subscription cost, and thus enable dual-character training for 12 months? The same question applies for the 6-month and 3-month discounted costs. (I realize most people would rather just open a second account, and thus have 6 toons.) Fix POSes.-á Every player should want one (even if all players can't have one). |
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CCP RubberBAND
CCP Engineering Corp CCP Engineering Alliance
224
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:58:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:CCP RubberBAND wrote:
We discussed showing the time remaining somewhere in game, but it's not really a timer we want to be showing anywhere in game.
Why not? CCP RubberBAND wrote: At least we were not convinced this is something players would want to see ticking down at all time. As we do not show account time remaining anywhere either.
Well, that time should be shown too. Why not? And the players would not see it "all the time", just when their character sheet is open. Even then they would not see a time ticking down, just the expiration date and time.
I'll bring this up with the team again, since a few people are asking about this in the thread, but it's basically to do with verisimilitude or what things belong/fit in game and what things belong/fit in account management pages. So far with the exception of PLEX, there is little in game which references account management and that's intentional.
Showing things which are removed from the EVE universe in gameplay or narrative terms is something we have tried to avoid, but like I said we will discuss this and see if the PLEX section or character sheet is the right place to potentially show timers like this. There are a number of different views within the team itself, so that's one of the reasons we have held off on a timer of some kind.
Feedback like this is great though as it helps us know what you guys wants.
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Phoenix Jones
Shockwave Innovations Shockwave Sovereign Industries
6
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:16:00 -
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Nirnaeth Ornoediad wrote:PLEX is fairly expensive compared to purchasing a 12-month subscription. Are there plans to allow someone to, for example, pay double the 12-month subscription cost, and thus enable dual-character training for 12 months? The same question applies for the 6-month and 3-month discounted costs. (I realize most people would rather just open a second account, and thus have 6 toons.)
This is actually a very relevant question.
Right now a subscription is $14,99. Would CCP be applicable to allowing the player to pay (lets say) $10 more to enable dual character per month?
So CCP would have the potential of making $24,99 per month per account. The people have a choice of whether buying/selling plex, etc..
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Valterra Craven
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:16:00 -
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I'm curious if CCP has considered the gift case at all.
Example, May 6th you gave out the gnosis and before that a bunch of other shinies.
One reason that its nice to have a separate account is that you get "two" gifts instead of one.
Based on the way you outlined this and given that plex are more expensive than a sub, I should think any account that has this feature active during a gift period should get a "double" portion so to speak. |
Nirnaeth Ornoediad
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
161
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:28:00 -
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I think the long-term solution should be:
- One account per customer
- One active training queue per "subscription", "activated PLEX", etc. Even better: just have a bucket of "subscription time", which gets consumed at n rate where n is the number of active skill queues. If I have 12 game months left on my account, and have 3 training queues going, I have 4 calendar months before I run out. Treat it like a bank.
- Minimum of 3 toons per account.
- Maximum toons per account needs to be looked at: perhaps based on a flat one-time fee for toons over 3 ($5 USD would make sense, since $15 gets you one month on a new account with 3 toons).
- One client can login one character at a time.
- Unlimited number of characters from a given account can be logged in simultaneously, provided they are launched by different clients. (Perhaps some controls in the form of IP address checking to reduce the likelihood of account sharing.)
- APIs are on a by-character basis, not an account basis.
Fix POSes.-á Every player should want one (even if all players can't have one). |
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