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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:57:00 -
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As some of you have seen on our test server Singularity, the option to train alts on the same account for PLEX is being implemented. To further explain the details of this sought after function, CCP Quant and CCP Ytterbium have written a new dev blog which we invite you to feast your eyes on.
And of course we eagerly await your feedback and questions as always. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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Destoya
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:00:00 -
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Awesome! |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:02:00 -
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Cool |
David Magnus
161
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:04:00 -
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This is a great additional feature that will be very useful in lots of circumstances!
It's not a replacement for alt accounts, but is perfect for training up a fixed-skillpoint alt for a specific job when you don't want or need to have a full second account always subscribed.
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Phoenix Jones
Shockwave Innovations Shockwave Sovereign Industries
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:05:00 -
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Going to have to take out a mortgage to keep up now |
Rico Ramos
STARMINE inc Solaris Mortis
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:07:00 -
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This to me is by far the best feature you ever added to this great game! Now I can train my alt, I made years ago. Internet Space Ships is Serious Business |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
4975
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:07:00 -
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A nice convenience and usability improvement for alt training. Thank you. |
Roajax
Your Accidental Wormhole Neighbors
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:11:00 -
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Go the full distance.... Increase the number of toons per account to at least 9. Allow us to login multiple characters at once.
IE: If I'm paying 2 plex's per month I should be able to login 2 toons on that account. Nothing worse than trying to make the right combo of pilots + cynos work when there are ridiculous account restrictions. IE: toon1 on account#1 with cyno. toon #2 on account #2 with carrier. toon #3 on account #1 with jump freighter. See the problem? Would be a ton easier if I could just whichever 2 toons I need. |
DmitryEKT
AMMO INC
117
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:12:00 -
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Will we have triple training as an option too? I run the only free empire jumpclone service where you can get a clone without changing corps! Check it out! |
xttz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:13:00 -
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Will you use this opportunity to make single character training a bit more usable?
Let's say I want to train a very short skill (a few hours) on an alt character that isn't worth a plex. Currently we have to:
1) Log out 2) Log in the character currently training and pause it. 3) Log out again 4) Log back into the character you want to train temporarily and start the skill.
Why can't starting a skill from an alt automatically pause the other character on the same account? |
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Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
280
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:15:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQCP85FngzE
always wanted to post it for a CCP dev blog. Now I finally have a chance :)
speaking of which: why cant we use money to pay for dual training and only plex? Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff? |
Krell Kroenen
Miners In Possession
164
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:16:00 -
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Nifty feature. I approve. |
xttz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:17:00 -
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Max Kolonko wrote:
speaking of which: why cant we use money to pay for dual training and only plex?
You can buy plex for money from the account management page. |
Valkyrs
Deep Vein Trading
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:18:00 -
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Very interesting! I currently don't have an alt but I use the two on my account fairly often. Training multiple accounts could be useful indeed!
It might also be nice to divide SP per hour between characters, so I can enable training on another character, then pause it when I want my main to go back to full speed. I understand this is a more complicated case though.
Since the PLEX/15$ I spent on my main is essentially paying for bandwidth, the content, enhancements, etc, and aside from the training queue advancing, can we get more for the PLEX?
Either:
A dual training character can log in simultaneously as the main account, or The second training queue provides a slightly longer period. (40 days? 45?)
I like the feature either way and will likely use it, but you are charging a full PLEX for something that has little to no impact to your system.
I hope hop-swapping characters is on the table next!
Keep it up CCP. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1826
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:19:00 -
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You didn't say loud enough so i fixed.
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CCP RubberBAND
CCP Engineering Corp CCP Engineering Alliance
216
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:20:00 -
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Roajax wrote:Go the full distance.... Increase the number of toons per account to at least 9. Allow us to login multiple characters at once.
IE: If I'm paying 2 plex's per month I should be able to login 2 toons on that account. Nothing worse than trying to make the right combo of pilots + cynos work when there are ridiculous account restrictions. IE: toon1 on account#1 with cyno. toon #2 on account #2 with carrier. toon #3 on account #1 with jump freighter. See the problem? Would be a ton easier if I could just whichever 2 toons I need.
This is a HUGE task. Really big emphasis on how difficult this is. Not comparable in scope to what we had to do for this feature.
xttz wrote:Will you use this opportunity to make single character training a bit more usable?
Let's say I want to train a very short skill (a few hours) on an alt character that isn't worth a plex. Currently we have to:
1) Log out 2) Log in the character currently training and pause it. 3) Log out again 4) Log back into the character you want to train temporarily and start the skill.
Why can't starting a skill from an alt automatically pause the other character on the same account?
It's funny because we were just discussing how the technical changes implemented to allow for this feature would also allow for pausing a character you are not logged into. Not likely to make it for Odyssey but certainly something we will consider for the future. Feel free to poke me on: Twitter |
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Valkyrs
Deep Vein Trading
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:21:00 -
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xttz wrote:...Why can't starting a skill from an alt automatically pause the other character on the same account?
I've always wondered this as well! Especially when I THOUGHT I paused the queue, only to have to go back again. Or when I went to make dinner and forgot I wasn't training until the next day. If it's smart enough to realize someone else is training, please offer to pause it and start it on the current character. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1753
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:22:00 -
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Excellent call.
Oh, there'll be complaints and conspiracy theories, and accusations of "pay to win" but I can't see that this makes a game-breaking change. Sure, people who PLEX will gain in flexibility and capability, but if they're able to PLEX this, well, they've already more-or-less 'won' at EVE anyway, so what's the point in complaining?
Where I see the largest complaints coming is from the fact that this capability would've vastly eased dealing with the Battlecruiser teircide update. My response those (stull imaginary - for now!) complaints is - "It's here now, and all future updates to skill progress will benefit. Deal."
Not an easy subject to get right, but IMO, it has been gotten as close to right as is possible. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Riffix
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
51
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:23:00 -
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Meh.
I know I am in the minority on this but I think alts in this game are stupid, period.
This MMO doesn't have class/race/faction restrictions of any kind so there is no good reason to have more than one character.
All they do is reduce the need for players to work together, whether it's industry, PVE, or PVP. They also players to avoid responsibility by hiding behind things like forum alts, throw away neutral spies, and things like being a super-cap pilot no longer has to be a lifestyle choice, just an alt you log when needed.
This just makes the problem worse.
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Lead, Follow, or Get the #@$!@ Out of the Way. |
Anathema Matou
Moonmaiden Ltd.
2
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:25:00 -
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This new feature has a UI problem. Please keep the option to activate dual training 2 steps away from activate game time, to avoid... accidents , i.e. below the "return to redeem items" option.
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Quintessen
Orion's Belt Mining and Pharmaceuticals
67
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:25:00 -
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I would love it if you could log into multiple characters on the same account if we're paying twice over.
First, there's the premium of PLEX over subscription, but now we're talking about paying more, but losing the ability to multi-box.
Given how strongly CCP has pushed multi-boxing over the years it seems reasonable to allow for the fact that many people have two or more accounts. Being able to log-on to as many accounts as you have time paid for would be great. I know that's a very long-term issue that will require a lot of revamp, but it would be nice if it were solved.
Perhaps in the mean time PLEX could get you all three accounts trained simultaneously since we're already paying a premium -- tough I imagine that would negatively impact CCP revenue.
This is a holdover, but I'd still like to see real reform on account management in the future so I don't have to have quite so many hurdles in managing multiple accounts.
p.s. Have you considered a character transfer holiday so that people who were using two or more accounts to train can move their characters to one account for a discounted price now that this feature is in place? |
Kip Troger
Exiled Kings Enlightened Violence
14
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:27:00 -
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What happens if you have an alt that currently is dual training along side your main and you sell that alt on the character bazzarre and transfer it to another account?
Is the 30 days basically just a bank that you can use whenever, and you can use it or save it as needed, or is it constantly running as a use or lose? |
Roime
Ten Thousand Years Shinjiketo
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:28:00 -
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Yeah very nice,
what about the drone fixes?
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Quintessen
Orion's Belt Mining and Pharmaceuticals
67
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:29:00 -
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Kip Troger wrote:What happens if you have an alt that currently is dual training along side your main and you sell that alt on the character bazzarre and transfer it to another account?
Is the 30 days basically just a bank that you can use whenever, and you can use it or save it as needed, or is it constantly running as a use or lose?
It sounds like a bank. The question would also apply to new alts on the same account. |
Grarr Dexx
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
85
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:29:00 -
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Quote:As an example, if you activated 30 days of Second Character Training while 13 days of regular account game time is left, you would have 17 days remaining of this feature paused when your account expires.
Do you think it would be possible to make a feature that would allow you to transfer that remaining dual character training time to a standard subscription? |
0mni Ca
Ball Punching Ninja Midgets Trifectas Syndicate
13
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:30:00 -
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Roajax wrote:Go the full distance.... Increase the number of toons per account to at least 9. Allow us to login multiple characters at once.
IE: If I'm paying 2 plex's per month I should be able to login 2 toons on that account. Nothing worse than trying to make the right combo of pilots + cynos work when there are ridiculous account restrictions. IE: toon1 on account#1 with cyno. toon #2 on account #2 with carrier. toon #3 on account #1 with jump freighter. See the problem? Would be a ton easier if I could just whichever 2 toons I need. Agreed, I love the idea, as there are some toons I don't need to login at the same time, but I would love to only have 1 login to deal with when I use my multiple accounts.
This is how I believe it should be: 1 Account per person 1 Plex allows you to access any 3 characters you have on your account, if you have 5 characters on your account, only 3 will be accessible, see below. Each additional Plex allows you to train 1 additional character and unlock 3 additional or existing characters currently on your account. Each additional Plex allows you to login simultaneously one more character on your account. If you have had more than 1 Plex active on the account and it expires, your training on your least skilled character will expire, and upon your next login, you will be prompted to select which characters on your account are disabled to keep you within your limit of 3 characters. If you would like to enable a 4th character on your account, you can either delete an existing character you currently have active on your account or activate a plex. There is no limit on how many Plex's you can have acitve on your account. Your account active time will be whenever the last active Plex was on your account. |
Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
694
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:32:00 -
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plex prices skyrocket? hope not |
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CCP RubberBAND
CCP Engineering Corp CCP Engineering Alliance
216
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:34:00 -
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Anathema Matou wrote:This new feature has a UI problem. Please keep the option to activate dual training 2 steps away from activate game time, to avoid... accidents , i.e. below the "return to redeem items" option.
There is an additional modal window which will require confirmation. If not these two, then there will be another two options next to each other. We discussed this internally but hopefully the modal confirmation window is enough to prevent mistakes?
Kip Troger wrote:What happens if you have an alt that currently is dual training along side your main and you sell that alt on the character bazzarre and transfer it to another account?
Is the 30 days basically just a bank that you can use whenever, and you can use it or save it as needed, or is it constantly running as a use or lose?
The time runs like subscription time, it does not pause if you have no two characters in training.
Feel free to poke me on: Twitter |
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1753
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:34:00 -
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Quintessen wrote: Given how strongly CCP has pushed multi-boxing over the years it seems reasonable to allow for the fact that many people have two or more accounts. Being able to log-on to as many accounts as you have time paid for would be great. I know that's a very long-term issue that will require a lot of revamp, but it would be nice if it were solved.
Meh - possibly a revenue drain to CCP, though the Dual-training cost would be off-setting.
Quote:Perhaps in the mean time PLEX could get you all three accounts trained simultaneously since we're already paying a premium -- tough I imagine that would negatively impact CCP revenue. Id' think that would be worthwhile, even in terms of revenue - Basically an account would cost three times as much if you're training all three alts at once, under your suggestion. Even if you un-sub or consolodate two accounts into the main, your idea would be a 'push' for CCP, revenue-wise.
Quote:This is a holdover, but I'd still like to see real reform on account management in the future so I don't have to have quite so many hurdles in managing multiple accounts. Yes please!
Quote:p.s. Have you considered a character transfer holiday so that people who were using two or more accounts to train can move their characters to one account for a discounted price now that this feature is in place? Yes please! Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Kip Troger
Exiled Kings Enlightened Violence
14
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:41:00 -
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I dont really understand what is so hard about having multiple accounts.
Is this feature intended for players with multiple characters on one account already who dont want to pay to transfer them to a new account?
If I want to train two characters at once, i just use two accounts because that way i can dualbox them.
This seems like it will just let people not have to pay transfer fees - which doesnt make a financial sense from CCP. |
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