So youre saying we should remove CONCORD.

agreed.

Maybe if High sec wasn't so safe, Low sec might actually be a viable place to travel instead of the instant death near empire camps.

Low: No one mines, and odds are, that ratter is really bait.

I would rather lose 1 billion ISK in opportunity cost of not undocking rather than lose even a 50 million ISK ship.

Problem is, it is my experience, that this is NOT going to go away. ANY attempt to try to get us to accept a higher than "virtually 0" loss is simply going to result in us quitting the game. AND, based on my experience with high sec and null, and the % of players in each of these areas of space, and the play styles in each area, the carebears are a HUGE chunk of teh revenue stream.

If carebears were willing to lose a 200 million ISK ship, every time they mine 1 billion ISK in ore or grind up a billion ISK in mission rewards, I think the PvPers would not be so angry with them.

The simple truth is, I am not willing to accept even that level of loss. I would rather lose 1 billion ISK in opportunity cost of not undocking rather than lose even a 50 million ISK ship. I can grind up a billion ISK a week, and if I lose a ship every 3 months, it is too much for me. Way, way too much.

I've lost 0 ships in the last 9 months.... yeah, that's just about the right amount of loss.



And, the other carebears I've played the game with (100s), are pretty much in agreement that absolutely 0 loss is pretty much the correct amount.


I get it why the PvPers are so frustrated by us. I really do.

Problem is, it is my experience, that this is NOT going to go away. ANY attempt to try to get us to accept a higher than "virtually 0" loss is simply going to result in us quitting the game. AND, based on my experience with high sec and null, and the % of players in each of these areas of space, and the play styles in each area, the carebears are a HUGE chunk of teh revenue stream.


War Dec: Industry corp gets war decced. PvPers say, come out and fight. What actually happens? No one logs in, or if they do log in, they do not undock. The players drop to NPC corps, or spin up a temp corp and switch to that. Very, very few ships actually go boom becuase of high sec war dec vs. industry corp.

Low: No one mines, and odds are, that ratter is really bait.

Null cloaky camper: Dito the above industrial corp war dec. No one undocks.

Null roaming gang in the area, upto 3 jumps out? Everyone safe's up, and stays safed up for as long as it takes for the roaming gang to leave.



The simple reality is, the carebears/nullbears are NEVER going to accept even a 10-20% loss in ships as percent of value they mine. It is fundamentally against our nature to play a game where we are easy targets for PvPers.

I get it why the PvPers are so frustrated by us. I really do.

Problem is, it is my experience, that this is NOT going to go away. ANY attempt to try to get us to accept a higher than "virtually 0" loss is simply going to result in us quitting the game. AND, based on my experience with high sec and null, and the % of players in each of these areas of space, and the play styles in each area, the carebears are a HUGE chunk of teh revenue stream.

War Dec: Industry corp gets war decced. PvPers say, come out and fight. What actually happens? No one logs in, or if they do log in, they do not undock. The players drop to NPC corps, or spin up a temp corp and switch to that. Very, very few ships actually go boom becuase of high sec war dec vs. industry corp.

Massive generalisation based on personal experience and presented as a fact. This post confuses and sickens me. It's a misery wrapped in an enema.

Enema or enigma?

I mean, both work, and considering the OP.....

Low: No one mines, and odds are, that ratter is really bait.

It takes money to make money, even in New Eden.

Tears included.

The [UNDOCK] button is a "I agree to be blown up" button
by clicking it, you are accepting.

The fight between PvPers and carebears really is the carebears' fault.

You're not expected to accept x losses per x gains, you're expected to accept the possibility of a loss, period. It's not something you can put in a spreadsheet like every other part of the game, it's just something you accept as a reality of the game.

It's this thing that the wretches cannot accept, and they demand changes that give them perfect safety and allow them to play in their own little bubble, generating massive amounts of ISK to cash out with.

EVE isn't a hellish fragfest like Darkfall and it shouldn't be, but it also shouldn't be Friendship is Magic: Space Adventures. If you can't accept the possibility that somebody somewhere might consider you a target, you're playing the wrong game.

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