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Bloody Wench
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Posted - 2013.05.16 12:01:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:How about if NPC corps are only available to players under 30 days old. After that, players are forced into a generic corp which can be war-decced.
Actual starter corps, which you can never get back into. Then NPC corps for those times when you don't have a Player Corp.
The NPC corps are in FacWar, Deccable (it's not even a word...) and the tax rates including the 'we take' from the reprocessing tab are exorbitantly high.
To facilitate the 'we take' part, just have it so you can gain standings with that corp.
Doesn't seem too newb unfriendly.
So yeah...I agree with you.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2028
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Posted - 2013.05.16 12:01:00 -
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Bloody Wench wrote:I'm a PVEr mate, I live in a WH but it's just high end PVE really. (Most of the time) I've killed miners in my own and other WHs, yes. I've never suicide ganked in hisec, but I'm warming up to that idea. Trust me, it's quite entertaining. And I can tell you right now, most people who leave their shells tend to not come back. Aside from some wormhole stuff, I haven't touched real pve in over half a decade. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
855
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Posted - 2013.05.16 12:37:00 -
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Newbees start in the school corporations so the solution is to exclude them from wardecs. Put all the other npc corps in faction war and at war against their polar opposite. Then allow player corporations to "ally" with the npc corps to get into the war. For example, trade hub camping trash corp wants to wardec the caldari npc corps so they ally with the gallente npc corp. This allows them to shoot caldari npc corp members and excludes them from peaceful flight through caldari space since the faction police won't take kindly to war targets operating in their space.
What about the people that stay in the school corp? >1 year subscription move them to one of the at war npc corps.
This change allows people to shoot npc corp members but they can't dec all the npc corps because then they wouldn't be able to enter highsec. At max with this they'd be able to dec two npc corps at once. It provides for some safety but not the ridiculous amount that is already here. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
394
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Posted - 2013.05.16 12:52:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Im more in favor of there being limitations and drawbacks for being in an NPC corp.
This is most likely the best way to do anything about the dec dodging situation.
Higher bounty tax (fight NPC vet mission runner) Higher mission payout tax (Fight NPC vet mission runner) Refining tax (Fight NPC vet miners) Higher sales tax (Fight NPC vet trader) Higher cost to use factory/research slots (Fight NPC vet industrialist)
You can also have these tax go up the depending on the volume passing through the system to protect newbies since they would not generate as much or as big transaction as a veteran. The newbie mission runner does not really need to pay the same tax rate as teh veteran mission runner pulling the big ISK numbers. Same for all professions. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1830
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Posted - 2013.05.16 12:55:00 -
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Bloody Wench wrote:250m a week?
A Billion?....Two? TEN?
I think it would be a good change to the game. Certainly for those hundreds of players in them. Might get them out into some real Corps.
tl:dr Immunity to wardecs is 'tehghey'.
1 Meelion dollars.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1830
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Posted - 2013.05.16 12:59:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:baltec1 wrote:Im more in favor of there being limitations and drawbacks for being in an NPC corp. This is most likely the best way to do anything about the dec dodging situation. Higher bounty tax (fight NPC vet mission runner) Higher mission payout tax (Fight NPC vet mission runner) Refining tax (Fight NPC vet miners) Higher sales tax (Fight NPC vet trader) Higher cost to use factory/research slots (Fight NPC vet industrialist) You can also have these tax go up the depending on the volume passing through the system to protect newbies since they would not generate as much or as big transaction as a veteran. The newbie mission runner does not really need to pay the same tax rate as teh veteran mission runner pulling the big ISK numbers. Same for all professions.
Soooo much this. NPC corps need some serious reforming. The current situation is great for new and low SP characters, but is nothing more than an imbalanced hiding spot for higher sp/veterans. The Vets should have to pay more for that kind of protection.
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Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope Gallente Federation
139
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Posted - 2013.05.16 13:02:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:If you want to kill someone in an NPC corp, go kill them....
Skilled pirates are doing that already: killing mission runners without loss of ship or security standing. That is too hard for others, they need easy mode.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2031
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Posted - 2013.05.16 13:07:00 -
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Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:War Kitten wrote:If you want to kill someone in an NPC corp, go kill them....
Skilled pirates are doing that already: killing mission runners without loss of ship or security standing. That is too hard for others, they need easy mode. Instead of typing up a decent explanation of why you're wrong, how about I ask you this instead:
Why should only one subset of players be entitled to an easy mode? I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted |

Bloody Wench
347
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Posted - 2013.05.16 13:11:00 -
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With the recently announced corp drop timer changes, there's just no reason not to have all those players in some form of Player run Corp, be it their own or otherwise.
If they get Dec'd they can still immediately corp hop and avoid the war. Which is a whole other can of worms, but at least they are not *immune* because of some arbitrary game rule.
I've seen *but the sanbox!!* used a couple of times already to justify why players are in NPC corps. Wanna talk about the sandbox? You can't have the argument that in a sandbox you can play however you like, but be protected by some game rule that prevent others from playing how they like.
I understand that some players just want to do *activity* and don't want to be pestered by other players. Trust me I know this, I live in a WH remember, about as isolationist as you can get. However you can't have one rule for some and another rule for others.
I'm all for protecting newbs, and have no interest in blowing up noobships, that's just ret ar ded. However once they venture out into the wilds of eve, that's where they stay. Support a Hi Resolution Texture Pack |

flakeys
Interstellar Corporation of Science and Technology Interstellar Confederation
1074
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Posted - 2013.05.16 13:12:00 -
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So many targets and you guys keep whining about those you can't harm outside of ganking.
It's not even sad any more it's gotten to the pathetic point a while ago.
Every time they nerf/change it more into a safety zone the more i laugh.Not because it is how i like to play but anything that fucks with your serious spaceship game mode is good enough for me , even if it at the same point it causes problems for my gaming/way of play.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Bloody Wench
347
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Posted - 2013.05.16 13:14:00 -
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Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:War Kitten wrote:If you want to kill someone in an NPC corp, go kill them....
Skilled pirates are doing that already: killing mission runners without loss of ship or security standing. That is too hard for others, they need easy mode.
If people are killing blues in hisec without loss of ship or security status, then it's clearly an exploit, which you should report to CCP. Support a Hi Resolution Texture Pack |

Six Six Six
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2013.05.16 13:19:00 -
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Bloody Wench wrote:With the recently announced corp drop timer changes, there's just no reason not to have all those players in some form of Player run Corp, be it their own or otherwise.
That's where you are wrong. There's a lot of bad player corps out there for various reasons and when a lot of people make a decision to join a player corp they don't want to have to start corp hopping to try and find a good one as it tends to mess up your employment record. |

Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
395
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Posted - 2013.05.16 13:20:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:baltec1 wrote:Im more in favor of there being limitations and drawbacks for being in an NPC corp. This is most likely the best way to do anything about the dec dodging situation. Higher bounty tax (fight NPC vet mission runner) Higher mission payout tax (Fight NPC vet mission runner) Refining tax (Fight NPC vet miners) Higher sales tax (Fight NPC vet trader) Higher cost to use factory/research slots (Fight NPC vet industrialist) You can also have these tax go up the depending on the volume passing through the system to protect newbies since they would not generate as much or as big transaction as a veteran. The newbie mission runner does not really need to pay the same tax rate as teh veteran mission runner pulling the big ISK numbers. Same for all professions. Soooo much this. NPC corps need some serious reforming. The current situation is great for new and low SP characters, but is nothing more than an imbalanced hiding spot for higher sp/veterans. The Vets should have to pay more for that kind of protection.
The volume scaling mecanic is also better than a fixed SP/subscription cap because if we limit it on SP/sub time, people can craete alts to turn in/refine/sell thier stuff all the time. SP cap is the worst because you can stop your alt from training once he has perfect refining skills for where you mine for example or perfect trading skills. |

Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope Gallente Federation
139
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Posted - 2013.05.16 13:21:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: Instead of typing up a decent explanation of why you're wrong, how about I ask you this instead:
Why should only one subset of players be entitled to an easy mode?
An easy explanation of why pirates are not killing highsec mission runners? That would be interesting.... so please do. Then I will give you a link to a Pirate group kill board that does just that.
New players should be on easy mode. If you disagree with that, what can I say.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2032
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Posted - 2013.05.16 13:22:00 -
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Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: Instead of typing up a decent explanation of why you're wrong, how about I ask you this instead:
Why should only one subset of players be entitled to an easy mode?
An easy explanation of why pirates are not killing highsec mission runners? That would be interesting.... so please do. Then I will give you a link to a Pirate group kill board that does just that. New players should be on easy mode. If you disagree with that, what can I say. So you're saying all players in NPC corporations are new players? I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted |

Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope Gallente Federation
140
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Posted - 2013.05.16 13:27:00 -
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Bloody Wench wrote: If people are killing blues in hisec without loss of ship or security status, then it's clearly an exploit, which you should report to CCP.
My think initially when it happened also. Yet when I followed these pirate by their kill board it was happening over and over again. One pirate in particular is killing maybe on average six ships a day... security status almost 2.0.
I now suspect it is not an exploit.
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Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope Gallente Federation
140
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Posted - 2013.05.16 13:28:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: So you're saying all players in NPC corporations are new players?
I never said that... are you saying there are not new players in NPC corps.
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Bloody Wench
348
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:42:00 -
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Six Six Six wrote:Bloody Wench wrote:With the recently announced corp drop timer changes, there's just no reason not to have all those players in some form of Player run Corp, be it their own or otherwise.
That's where you are wrong. There's a lot of bad player corps out there for various reasons and when a lot of people make a decision to join a player corp they don't want to have to start corp hopping to try and find a good one as it tends to mess up your employment record.
Your employment record? This is your best argument?
NPC corp for over a year is not a glowing endorsement either. Support a Hi Resolution Texture Pack |

Bloody Wench
348
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:50:00 -
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Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Bloody Wench wrote: If people are killing blues in hisec without loss of ship or security status, then it's clearly an exploit, which you should report to CCP.
My think initially when it happened also. Yet when I followed these pirate by their kill board it was happening over and over again. One pirate in particular is killing maybe on average six ships a day... security status almost 2.0. I now suspect it is not an exploit.
Just because something goes on for ages doesn't make it not an exploit. boomeranging, orca re-shipping, cynoing to avoid concord etc etc the list goes on and on.
You should definitely have CCP look into it. Support a Hi Resolution Texture Pack |

Castor Narcissus
The Scope Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:55:00 -
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CCP should let players only be in a NPC corp if they are 2-6 months old. Then people should be kicked out of them and set to Freelancer status.
As a freelancer (default status when not in a Player Corp), you could do almost everything a player corp does, including being wardecced and wardec other corps.
Why should some poor lad take the consequences of the Mr. 7 alts mining in a belt. |

Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
185
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:59:00 -
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All those people that want to gloriously dispatch hordes of non pvp focused players in empire space, why dont you seek glory fighting Goonswarm? They are the biggest corp and lots of nullbears there, many iskies. New CQ prototype |

Six Six Six
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2013.05.16 15:04:00 -
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Bloody Wench wrote:Six Six Six wrote:Bloody Wench wrote:With the recently announced corp drop timer changes, there's just no reason not to have all those players in some form of Player run Corp, be it their own or otherwise.
That's where you are wrong. There's a lot of bad player corps out there for various reasons and when a lot of people make a decision to join a player corp they don't want to have to start corp hopping to try and find a good one as it tends to mess up your employment record. Your employment record? This is your best argument? NPC corp for over a year is not a glowing endorsement either.
No, but at least it shows you're more likely to stay somewhere rather than just flitting about where your fancy take you.
Plus forcing people into crap player run corps won't help the game at all. Quite often all what will happen is they'll log on less and less or start a new character. Seen it happen many times before, not just in this game. |

Rek Seven
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Polarized.
693
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Posted - 2013.05.16 15:04:00 -
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Zero. NPC corps should never be able to be wardeced, they should be a place for beginners to get accustomed to the game. However, there should be a character age limit in all NPC corps. Is my bitter vet membership card in the mail? |

Julius Priscus
107
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Posted - 2013.05.16 15:08:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Julius Priscus wrote:its stupid how many people make threads on game mechanics that were removed for obvious reasons...
war dec a noob corp... sit outside the undock in a system youknow noob chars are "made" and kill.
main reason it was removed so long ago. This has never been possible.
just like concord has ALWAYS been around, right? -»\_(pâä)_/-»-á Sup cracka ! |

Six Six Six
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2013.05.16 15:13:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Zero. NPC corps should never be able to be wardeced, they should be a place for beginners to get accustomed to the game. However, there should be a character age limit in all NPC corps.
Then what?
Start your own corp, get bored and leave.
Or join a poorly run player corp, get bored and leave.
Or you might find a good corp and actually stay.
There is no reason to be forced into a player corp.
I've said this many times and I'll say it again, you can't force people to do what they don't want to do (especially in a game). Maybe one day that will sink in to those who try to do exactly that. At least then it would save me from having to say it anymore. |

Velicitia
Nex Exercitus
1552
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Posted - 2013.05.16 15:16:00 -
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Bloody Wench wrote:Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Bloody Wench wrote: If people are killing blues in hisec without loss of ship or security status, then it's clearly an exploit, which you should report to CCP.
My think initially when it happened also. Yet when I followed these pirate by their kill board it was happening over and over again. One pirate in particular is killing maybe on average six ships a day... security status almost 2.0. I now suspect it is not an exploit. Just because something goes on for ages doesn't make it not an exploit. boomeranging, orca re-shipping, cynoing to avoid concord etc etc the list goes on and on. Magnetar Effects...lawl You should definitely have CCP look into it.
you're allowed to shoot corp-mates without CONCORD repercussion. This is intended. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |

baltec1
Bat Country
6457
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Posted - 2013.05.16 15:17:00 -
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Julius Priscus wrote:baltec1 wrote:Julius Priscus wrote:its stupid how many people make threads on game mechanics that were removed for obvious reasons...
war dec a noob corp... sit outside the undock in a system youknow noob chars are "made" and kill.
main reason it was removed so long ago. This has never been possible. just like concord has ALWAYS been around, right?
It has, people used to be able to tank it. |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1075
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Posted - 2013.05.16 15:57:00 -
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Rather than being able to wardec NPC corps we should be advocating something a little different.
Anytime someone starts a mission, a random NPC corp member is teleported to the mission area with their current ship and becomes the "rat" for the mission (you could even have several of them being "waves", just hold the next guys in a limbo state). They can't leave the mission area until they or the mission runner is dead. The system could choose players for missions based on what class of ship they are flying at the time: L1 = pods/shuttles, L2 = frigates/industrials, L3 = destroyers/cruisers, L4 = battlecruisers, L5 = battleships.
In this way we accomplish several goals: 1. PvP is added to missions. 2. Missions become less of a grind. 3. NPC corp members are properly punished for avoiding wardecs. 4. NPC corp members are forced to PvP. CCP has no sense of humour. |

Niec Mogul
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.05.16 16:26:00 -
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Every time I see this post or some variant, I'm reminded of this video:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=73b_1364917659
"Get out of the corp you carebear!!! Get out!!! Aaarurrrrrggghh!!!"
Such pent-up rage...hahaha! |

Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
608
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Posted - 2013.05.16 16:27:00 -
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How bad do you have to be, that you require wardeccing noobs to get a kill? 
The single biggest danger to EVE is the proliferation of ALTS! Kill an alt today!
Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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