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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
857
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Posted - 2013.05.17 01:30:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Gealbhan wrote:Where's the Honor, Glory and Bragging Rights in killing a bunch of one day old newbs. Oh, that's right there is none. How about the 5 year old vet who's staying in the NPC corp? They pays their money, they plays their game. Oh, that's right, Eve is only a sand-box if folk play the way you want them to.
For some reason its only okay to use this reasoning against pvpers but when pvpers use it, its not okay, unrealistic and will destroy CCP's financial integrity. The only thing your sub money gets you is the ability to log in, it does not guarantee you a single player online experience. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2892
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Posted - 2013.05.17 01:54:00 -
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Doc Severide wrote:I have no interest at all in filling out a bloody 30 page application
Show me a single corp that wants you to fill out a 30-page application. I'll wait. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Christopher Caldaris
Caldaris Enterprises LLC
7
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Posted - 2013.05.17 02:11:00 -
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I play this character as a solo RP character. I have a backstory, and goals to fulfill within my RP set story. It's not part of my lore to leave Hi-Sec at the moment, I haven't gotten to that part of my story yet.
I have an alt account that I use to try and do ship PvP, I was killed about 40 times in a row and lost all my money, it wasn't fun and I sucked at it.
I left my previous Corps because of war declaration. The enemy sat outside our station for hours and hours, we were a small, rag-tag group of people who enjoyed mining and deep conversation, we were unable to enjoy the game, so we were forced to leave each other and move on to other things.
I don't care if someone is in an NPC Corp, I don't care if NPC Corps are able to have war declared upon them, I just care that I can log into the game, play another chapter of my story, deal with any curveballs that are thrown at me, and progress.
If CCP decide to make NPC corps a war target so be it, either deal with it or unsubscribe, if CCP decide to make being in NPC corps even safer so be it, either deal with it or unsubscribe. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2043
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Posted - 2013.05.17 02:13:00 -
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Christopher Caldaris wrote:If CCP decide to make NPC corps a war target so be it, either deal with it or unsubscribe, if CCP decide to make being in NPC corps even safer so be it, either deal with it or unsubscribe. I understand and respect your sentiment, but the problem with NPC corporations and safety isn't some kind of matter of principle in the sense that we pvpers simply shun that kind of play style; it's that the safety shrouds these peoples' ability to make copious amounts of money with an impenetrable barrier of NPC protection. That's simply not good for a game like EVE online. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted |
Christopher Caldaris
Caldaris Enterprises LLC
8
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Posted - 2013.05.17 02:19:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Christopher Caldaris wrote:If CCP decide to make NPC corps a war target so be it, either deal with it or unsubscribe, if CCP decide to make being in NPC corps even safer so be it, either deal with it or unsubscribe. I understand and respect your sentiment, but the problem with NPC corporations and safety isn't some kind of matter of principle in the sense that we pvpers simply shun that kind of play style; it's that the safety shrouds these peoples' ability to make copious amounts of money with an impenetrable barrier of NPC protection. That's simply not good for a game like EVE online.
I understand, and there may not be an easy solution that everyone can agree on. Some people may have to make a choice, to continue playing, or to end their time in space. I will adapt to whatever comes at me, because I truly enjoy playing the game, floating among my rocky compatriots is a relaxing activity for me. If CCP decide to let people kill everyone in Hi-Sec, well then I guess I'll have to figure out how to mine and dodge at the same time. |
Six Six Six
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2013.05.17 03:07:00 -
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Christopher Caldaris wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Christopher Caldaris wrote:If CCP decide to make NPC corps a war target so be it, either deal with it or unsubscribe, if CCP decide to make being in NPC corps even safer so be it, either deal with it or unsubscribe. I understand and respect your sentiment, but the problem with NPC corporations and safety isn't some kind of matter of principle in the sense that we pvpers simply shun that kind of play style; it's that the safety shrouds these peoples' ability to make copious amounts of money with an impenetrable barrier of NPC protection. That's simply not good for a game like EVE online. I understand, and there may not be an easy solution that everyone can agree on. Some people may have to make a choice, to continue playing, or to end their time in space. I will adapt to whatever comes at me, because I truly enjoy playing the game, floating among my rocky compatriots is a relaxing activity for me. If CCP decide to let people kill everyone in Hi-Sec, well then I guess I'll have to figure out how to mine and dodge at the same time.
PvPers keep wanting to reduce possible income generated in high-sec as I understand it (or at least that's part of it).
Problem I see with that is if you lower the rewards too low then those rewards become meaningless and people won't bother with them.
There's also a lot of people in high-sec that don't make copious amounts of money, which would more than likely cause problems for them if rewards were cut.
The funny thing is the ones you set out to hurt will more than likely be the ones least effected (ok, maybe hurt is not the right word, but it's late here).
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
395
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Posted - 2013.05.17 03:09:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Gealbhan wrote:Where's the Honor, Glory and Bragging Rights in killing a bunch of one day old newbs. Oh, that's right there is none. How about the 5 year old vet who's staying in the NPC corp? They pays their money, they plays their game. Oh, that's right, Eve is only a sand-box if folk play the way you want them to. For some reason its only okay to use this reasoning against pvpers but when pvpers use it, its not okay, unrealistic and will destroy CCP's financial integrity. The only thing your sub money gets you is the ability to log in, it does not guarantee you a single player online experience.
"Sandbox" has always been and always will be a stupid fail argument for both side of the debate. It should be clear to everyone that an argument that can be flipped from one side to the other without any effort at all is a stupid argument. Everybody has all the freedom they want as long as they accept the result of thier action. Some action have different penalties/cost as decided by the devs. If those rules are to be cahnged, it should be for actual reason and not "SANDBOX!!!!" .
We all need to remember when we were kids playing in actual sandbox. You had the right to kick the other guy's sandcastle as long as you were willing to get concordoken by whoever was watching over kids. Your sec status was usualy taking the form of informing your parent. Grinding that abck up could take weeks if not months.. |
Christopher Caldaris
Caldaris Enterprises LLC
8
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Posted - 2013.05.17 03:17:00 -
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Six Six Six wrote:Christopher Caldaris wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Christopher Caldaris wrote:If CCP decide to make NPC corps a war target so be it, either deal with it or unsubscribe, if CCP decide to make being in NPC corps even safer so be it, either deal with it or unsubscribe. I understand and respect your sentiment, but the problem with NPC corporations and safety isn't some kind of matter of principle in the sense that we pvpers simply shun that kind of play style; it's that the safety shrouds these peoples' ability to make copious amounts of money with an impenetrable barrier of NPC protection. That's simply not good for a game like EVE online. I understand, and there may not be an easy solution that everyone can agree on. Some people may have to make a choice, to continue playing, or to end their time in space. I will adapt to whatever comes at me, because I truly enjoy playing the game, floating among my rocky compatriots is a relaxing activity for me. If CCP decide to let people kill everyone in Hi-Sec, well then I guess I'll have to figure out how to mine and dodge at the same time. PvPers keep wanting to reduce possible income generated in high-sec as I understand it (or at least that's part of it). Problem I see with that is if you lower the rewards too low then those rewards become meaningless and people won't bother with them. There's also a lot of people in high-sec that don't make copious amounts of money, which would more than likely cause problems for them if rewards were cut. The funny thing is the ones you set out to hurt will more than likely be the ones least effected (ok, maybe hurt is not the right word, but it's late here).
I certainly don't make copious amounts of money doing my mining, and I respect those that have figured out how to do it. There is a fine balance to these types of things, if you make it so easy to kill people in Hi-Sec, then the people who enjoy playing in Hi-Sec will be unhappy, if you make it too hard to kill people in Hi-Sec, then the people who want to do the killing will be unhappy.
The only reward that you should aquire in this game is the one you make for yourself. I can't speculate on what changes to the game mechanics could bring about. If it is announced that NPC corps will be allowed to be war targets, then that's what's going to happen. All the incessant arguing and bickering back and forth about who is right and who is wrong it pointless.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2045
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Posted - 2013.05.17 03:41:00 -
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Christopher Caldaris wrote:The only reward that you should aquire in this game is the one you make for yourself. I can't speculate on what changes to the game mechanics could bring about. If it is announced that NPC corps will be allowed to be war targets, then that's what's going to happen. All the incessant arguing and bickering back and forth about who is right and who is wrong it pointless. Our voices do influence the decisions CCP makes. While as developers they make many calls entirely unilaterally, there are plenty of cases where player sentiment is the deciding factor in the implementation of new features. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted |
Bloody Wench
351
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Posted - 2013.05.17 05:27:00 -
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I'm very impressed with the rational discussion in this thread. There's been one or two attempts to devolve it into yet another exercise in name calling and yet nobody has bitten.
So kudos to all of you.
These NPC corps, if they could be mobilised into a coherent fighting force, holy crap! Several hundred pilots online across all time zones, you'd be unstoppable. Even just a Rifter zerg would strike fear into the hearts of 'leetpvp' types. Don't get me wrong the losses would be tremendous, but hilarious to see. You'd have alliances docking up left and right and then THEY would come here and moan about being on the other side of the fence for a change.
Like a disorganised GoonSwarm, it would go down in history.
My little wish for eve. Support a Hi Resolution Texture Pack |
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flakeys
Interstellar Corporation of Science and Technology Interstellar Confederation
1085
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Posted - 2013.05.17 09:54:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Iudicium Vastus wrote:Bare with me guys No, you go and sit naked in the corner all by yourself, I'll be elsewhere, thanks. Iudicium Vastus wrote:there is what, 90%+ of area that isn't hisec Incorrect, high-sec is about 13% of systems total, including WH space. It also has (probably) the highest concentration of wealth and idiots who can be parted from said wealth.
You don't have much null experience do you?
Otherwise you'd know the biggest idiots usually come from there.Using mittani for 3rd party mom/titan anyone?Undocking massive amount of plex in kestrel anyone , o/ spacemonkeys ? Oops forgot to pay the rent , beybey space anyone?
And yes , i live in null and yes i also live in high-sec and yes i also live in low-sec.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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baltec1
Bat Country
6465
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Posted - 2013.05.17 10:26:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Some Rando wrote:Iudicium Vastus wrote:Bare with me guys No, you go and sit naked in the corner all by yourself, I'll be elsewhere, thanks. Iudicium Vastus wrote:there is what, 90%+ of area that isn't hisec Incorrect, high-sec is about 13% of systems total, including WH space. It also has (probably) the highest concentration of wealth and idiots who can be parted from said wealth. You don't have much null experience do you? Otherwise you'd know the biggest idiots usually come from there.Using mittani for 3rd party mom/titan anyone?Undocking massive amount of plex in kestrel anyone , o/ spacemonkeys ? Oops forgot to pay the rent , beybey space anyone? And yes , i live in null and yes i also live in high-sec and yes i also live in low-sec. Mom/titan scam victims and stuff the kestrel types just about all come from highsec. Highsec is by far the home to the stupid pilots. |
flakeys
Interstellar Corporation of Science and Technology Interstellar Confederation
1085
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Posted - 2013.05.17 13:24:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:flakeys wrote:Some Rando wrote:Iudicium Vastus wrote:Bare with me guys No, you go and sit naked in the corner all by yourself, I'll be elsewhere, thanks. Iudicium Vastus wrote:there is what, 90%+ of area that isn't hisec Incorrect, high-sec is about 13% of systems total, including WH space. It also has (probably) the highest concentration of wealth and idiots who can be parted from said wealth. You don't have much null experience do you? Otherwise you'd know the biggest idiots usually come from there.Using mittani for 3rd party mom/titan anyone?Undocking massive amount of plex in kestrel anyone , o/ spacemonkeys ? Oops forgot to pay the rent , beybey space anyone? And yes , i live in null and yes i also live in high-sec and yes i also live in low-sec. Mom/titan scam victims and stuff the kestrel types just about all come from highsec. Highsec is by far the home to the stupid pilots.
Tell me more about moms and titans in high-sec and how pure blind -the home of spacemonkey kessie at the time ' is part of high-sec .
Didn't know it was time for bedtime fairytail stories yet ....
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
131
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Posted - 2013.05.17 13:30:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Debora Tsung wrote: What would also be cool if there were certain NPC corps that are automatically involved in faction warfare or (non wardecable) newb NPC corps that only allow avatars below a certain SP limit and higher level NPC corps that actually CAN be wardecced etc. Dunno if that would be even feasible.
That said, no I wouldn't even pay 100m a week because I simply do not have that much raw ISK.
It would have to be time based as SP based means that vets can abuse that system.
Whatever works, I guess. *shrug* There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1754
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Posted - 2013.05.17 13:51:00 -
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Bloody Wench wrote:250m a week?
A Billion?....Two? TEN?
I think it would be a good change to the game. Certainly for those hundreds of players in them. Might get them out into some real Corps.
tl:dr Immunity to wardecs is 'tehghey'.
No.
Do not waste time.
Never going to happen. |
Rek Seven
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Polarized.
694
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:18:00 -
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Six Six Six wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Zero. NPC corps should never be able to be wardeced, they should be a place for beginners to get accustomed to the game. However, there should be a character age limit in all NPC corps. Then what? Start your own corp, get bored and leave. Or join a poorly run player corp, get bored and leave. Or you might find a good corp and actually stay. There is no reason to be forced into a player corp. I've said this many times and I'll say it again, you can't force people to do what they don't want to do (especially in a game). Maybe one day that will sink in to those who try to do exactly that. At least then it would save me from having to say it anymore.
I think the pros outweigh the cons.
What is so exciting about NPC corps? The fact that you have no investment in the corporation and on real connection to the members?
Why does and MMO need that kind of players anyway? ... yeah, yeah i know: "because sandox!" Is my bitter vet membership card in the mail? |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:21:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Doc Severide wrote:I have no interest at all in filling out a bloody 30 page application Show me a single corp that wants you to fill out a 30-page application. I'll wait. EVE Uni was close.... That was the corp I started to apply to and finally said, "This is crazy"... |
Rek Seven
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Polarized.
694
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:24:00 -
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... "here's my number, call me maybe?" Is my bitter vet membership card in the mail? |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:41:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Why does and MMO need that kind of players anyway? ... yeah, yeah i know: "because sandox!" Because CCP makes money off them.
I have 6 accounts, pay cash for all of them...
I also buy the occassional GTC to trade on the forums for ISK. So CCP gets maybe $1500 bucks a year from me alone... |
Six Six Six
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:42:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Six Six Six wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Zero. NPC corps should never be able to be wardeced, they should be a place for beginners to get accustomed to the game. However, there should be a character age limit in all NPC corps. Then what? Start your own corp, get bored and leave. Or join a poorly run player corp, get bored and leave. Or you might find a good corp and actually stay. There is no reason to be forced into a player corp. I've said this many times and I'll say it again, you can't force people to do what they don't want to do (especially in a game). Maybe one day that will sink in to those who try to do exactly that. At least then it would save me from having to say it anymore. I think the pros outweigh the cons. What is so exciting about NPC corps? The fact that you have no investment in the corporation and on real connection to the members? Why does and MMO need that kind of players anyway? ... yeah, yeah i know: "because sandox!"
Nothing is exciting about an NPC corp, but then I've not always been in NPC corps. Finding a good corp is not an easy process though, although it's easy to find a bad one.
Solo players will mainly stay in an NPC corp some will make their own corps, but that's their choice. Problem with some corps is you end up playing someone else's game and not the way you want to play. Which is another reason some people stay in NPC corps. Some stay there because they don't want to combat PvP others stay there because of RL time constraints and the feel because of that it's not worth getting involved with a player corps and some player corps can be demanding on your time. Of course others just park their alts there away from war-decs. There's various reasons why people stay in NPC corps, plus the chat can be better than a solo corp and even better than some player corps.
I've said this before, that I've never seen a game that mixes PvP and PvE players do it successfully.
The main reason for that is the PvE players try to stay out of the way of the PvP players and don't dictate how the PvP players should play the game. But PvP players will always try to dictate how PvE players should play (not all PvPers) because those PvEers make such easy targets. |
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Disturbed Drake
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
144
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:48:00 -
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10bil |
baltec1
Bat Country
6469
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:49:00 -
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flakeys wrote: Tell me more about moms and titans in high-sec and how pure blind -the home of spacemonkey kessie at the time ' is part of high-sec .
Didn't know it was time for bedtime fairytail stories yet ....
Its the truth. For every one monkey ibis there are a hundred in high sec. A huge amount of super scams involve a high sec players wanting a super to use as leverage to get into some alliances. Its amazing how many will part with their isk for a discounted super and entry to goons. |
Rek Seven
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Polarized.
696
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:34:00 -
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Six Six Six wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Six Six Six wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Zero. NPC corps should never be able to be wardeced, they should be a place for beginners to get accustomed to the game. However, there should be a character age limit in all NPC corps. Then what? Start your own corp, get bored and leave. Or join a poorly run player corp, get bored and leave. Or you might find a good corp and actually stay. There is no reason to be forced into a player corp. I've said this many times and I'll say it again, you can't force people to do what they don't want to do (especially in a game). Maybe one day that will sink in to those who try to do exactly that. At least then it would save me from having to say it anymore. I think the pros outweigh the cons. What is so exciting about NPC corps? The fact that you have no investment in the corporation and on real connection to the members? Why does and MMO need that kind of players anyway? ... yeah, yeah i know: "because sandox!" Nothing is exciting about an NPC corp, but then I've not always been in NPC corps. Finding a good corp is not an easy process though, although it's easy to find a bad one. Solo players will mainly stay in an NPC corp some will make their own corps, but that's their choice. Problem with some corps is you end up playing someone else's game and not the way you want to play. Which is another reason some people stay in NPC corps. Some stay there because they don't want to combat PvP others stay there because of RL time constraints and the feel because of that it's not worth getting involved with a player corps and some player corps can be demanding on your time. Of course others just park their alts there away from war-decs. There's various reasons why people stay in NPC corps, plus the chat can be better than a solo corp and even better than some player corps. I've said this before, that I've never seen a game that mixes PvP and PvE players do it successfully. The main reason for that is the PvE players try to stay out of the way of the PvP players and don't dictate how the PvP players should play the game. But PvP players will always try to dictate how PvE players should play (not all PvPers) because those PvEers make such easy targets.
Okay then, i guess the solution to this thread topic would be as follows:
1. Create new NPC corps that are invulnerable to war decs and have an age restriction on them i.e. a corp for beginners
2. Allow existing NPC corps to be wardeced.
Ps. don't confuse PVP vs. PVE with Single player vs. Multiplayer games. If you just want PVE, play a single player game. Is my bitter vet membership card in the mail? |
baltec1
Bat Country
6469
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:43:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:
2. Allow existing NPC corps to be wardeced.
See, I am against this.
I would rather see restrictions on NPC corps, things like 15-20% tax on all bounties, mineral refining, sales, manufacturing jobs, research times/cost ect. Also higher charges for station services. That way players have a very good reason to go into a player corp.
If you leave said corp when under a wardec then you are punished by having the above taxes imposed upon you for however long was left on the wardec (max time = a week). I would also have corps keep the wardec for the whole week no matter what they do. That way they cant just scrape off a wardec and make their tower invincible. |
Sentamon
934
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:50:00 -
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CCP should add a lowsec and nullsec where people have wars. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Six Six Six
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:52:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:CCP should add a lowsec and nullsec where people have wars.
That's not a bad idea |
Khemax
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.05.17 21:20:00 -
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Sucky Ideas Just Plain SUCK!!
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Jarod Garamonde
Action Bastards
156
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Posted - 2013.05.17 21:30:00 -
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Bloody Wench wrote:250m a week?
A Billion?....Two? TEN?
I think it would be a good change to the game. Certainly for those hundreds of players in them. Might get them out into some real Corps.
tl:dr Immunity to wardecs is 'tehghey'.
This is, by far... the worst idea, ever. For three reasons: 1. Don't you even understand why NPC corps are immune to wardecs? 2. All you're doing is just admitting to the Devs and GM's that you're a griefer. 3. Each player character faction already has NPC corps that you can wardec.... it's called FW. "you can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose."-á --áBienator II |
ashley Eoner
173
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Posted - 2013.05.17 21:31:00 -
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Six Six Six wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Six Six Six wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Zero. NPC corps should never be able to be wardeced, they should be a place for beginners to get accustomed to the game. However, there should be a character age limit in all NPC corps. Then what? Start your own corp, get bored and leave. Or join a poorly run player corp, get bored and leave. Or you might find a good corp and actually stay. There is no reason to be forced into a player corp. I've said this many times and I'll say it again, you can't force people to do what they don't want to do (especially in a game). Maybe one day that will sink in to those who try to do exactly that. At least then it would save me from having to say it anymore. I think the pros outweigh the cons. What is so exciting about NPC corps? The fact that you have no investment in the corporation and on real connection to the members? Why does and MMO need that kind of players anyway? ... yeah, yeah i know: "because sandox!" Nothing is exciting about an NPC corp, but then I've not always been in NPC corps. Finding a good corp is not an easy process though, although it's easy to find a bad one. Solo players will mainly stay in an NPC corp some will make their own corps, but that's their choice. Problem with some corps is you end up playing someone else's game and not the way you want to play. Which is another reason some people stay in NPC corps. Some stay there because they don't want to combat PvP others stay there because of RL time constraints and the feel because of that it's not worth getting involved with a player corps and some player corps can be demanding on your time. Of course others just park their alts there away from war-decs. There's various reasons why people stay in NPC corps, plus the chat can be better than a solo corp and even better than some player corps. I've said this before, that I've never seen a game that mixes PvP and PvE players do it successfully. The main reason for that is the PvE players try to stay out of the way of the PvP players and don't dictate how the PvP players should play the game. But PvP players will always try to dictate how PvE players should play (not all PvPers) because those PvEers make such easy targets. I ended up stuck in the NPC start corp because no decent corp wanted someone who didn't have at least 10 or 20m sp and those that did were obviously trying to scam me. Although my favorite response has to be the spy alt accusation. I quite for 10 months before re-activating my account and now I get the spy alt accusation even more because my character is almost two years old and is way behind on sp..
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Khemax
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2013.05.17 21:33:00 -
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Fw actually involves something that might shoot back.....he wants to kill stuff safetly |
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