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Harm Pit Highwaymen Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups 1	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:10:00 - [1] - Quote ANSWER: The Council of Stellar Management It is simply not acceptable that in times where sacked CCP Devs are literally sat in their pyjamas crying into their cereal, that the money is available to fly these people to Iceland to ineffectually posture, pad their CVs, get drunk and try to maintain the delusion of grandeur they labour under. This has even started to become clear to themselves. Only days ago they crowed and gloated over the hilmarrrrgh "apology" blog, fighting amongst themselves to claim the biggest piece of the credit cake. Now, with 120 sackings, they have all developed SSS (sloping shoulder syndrome) as they seek to blame each other and even the players who flocked to their call for protest. Even the Chair of the CSM has let his nihilistic facade slip a little as the guilt hits him as to his role in the sacking of his great drinking buddies at CCP. A farce from day one, the CSM was launched not in an oversight role as publicised by hillmar, but pre nerfed as a "communication conduit" and soon degenerated into childish squables (Constantine vs that goon guy) and rule breaking (trassler and that ankhatamapeonama bird). The 250 issue backlog of agreed issues that CCP routinley ignored stands evidence as to their innefectuality. Many people spent many many wasted hours trying to push issues through the frameowrk CCP gave us to see it drop out of site. In times of plenty, where vanity project rap videos and dev bands were de-rigeur at CCP HQ - the CSM was an affordable plaything. But in these times of economic woe it is nothing short of outrageous it still exist. 12 world wide plane tickets, hotel fees, meals, and incidental costs many times a year would have paid the wages of some of the Devs who have been given the boot. Particulaly considering the reported peenuts many Devs reportedly accept as wages due to their love of the game and company. CCP are tightening their belts, and now is the perfect time to tighten the metaphorical noose around the CSM. All the clamour for CCP management to resign for failure works with the CSM as well. They have failed. The CSM, in its 6 incarnations, have presided over a near terminal decline in the game. In times of honour, resignation would have been the honourable action in response to abject failure. It is clear that these "individuals" who inhabit the CSM will not take that route. They need to be sacked. NOW. Hilmar.. get shot of them!
Abrazzar 211	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:17:00 - [2] - Quote They're paid with the PR budget, not wages budget. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Verone Veto Corp 85	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:18:00 - [3] - Quote Couldn't agree more. The CSM is a useless publicity stunt with no real substance, that's de-evolved into a nullsec alliance popularity contest to see who can pin the most votes. A very small minority of the playerbase actually votes in the elections despite huge advertising campaigns by CCP to encourage people to get involved. Most see it as the joke that it is, and nothing more than a public relations tool. CCP would have been far better off canning the bad joke that the CSM is, and working with their community team (who incidentally are all now gone) to communicate with the playerbase. Verone CEO & Executor Veto Corp WWW.VETO-CORP.COM
T-Jay Charante The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:21:00 - [4] - Quote Abrazzar wrote: They're paid with the PR budget, not wages budget. I would be very surprised if that budget is not slashed by a size-able amount, in the current climate.
Taxtro Grave Black Aces Against ALL Authorities 1	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:21:00 - [5] - Quote I've been playing for over 6 years now, and I have yet to vote in the CSM. It's just like the high school prom's King and Queen. Only the most popular win, not who is actually good for the job. Disgusting.
Avon Versatech Co. Raiden. 80	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:24:00 - [6] - Quote Verone wrote: Couldn't agree more. The CSM is a useless publicity stunt with no real substance, that's de-evolved into a nullsec alliance popularity contest to see who can pin the most votes. A very small minority of the playerbase actually votes in the elections despite huge advertising campaigns by CCP to encourage people to get involved. Most see it as the joke that it is, and nothing more than a public relations tool. CCP would have been far better off canning the bad joke that the CSM is, and working with their community team (who incidentally are all now gone) to communicate with the playerbase. ^This
Stan Smith Remenent British Federation 0	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:26:00 - [7] - Quote i think i have voted once or twice. its a joke really. can anyone name anything that the CSM did that was beneficial to the game? did they advance anything to make the game better for everyone involved?
Harm Pit Highwaymen Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups 1	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:26:00 - [8] - Quote Abrazzar wrote: They're paid with the PR budget, not wages budget. Oh thats ok then. Lets hire a giant inflatable blimp in the shape of a gourmet sandwich and hover it over CCP Hq. The CSM can sit in it and wave at all the redundant workers. Its ok because its in the PR budget and that budget is inviolate. When CCP goes into administration it will be unavoidable because noboy can mess with the PR budget.
Rocky Deadshot In The Goo EVE Trade Alliance 18	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:28:00 - [9] - Quote It would seem logical that during this time of world wide economic troubles that measures would be put in place to conserve profit. I kind of feel that the use of teleconferencing would be able to suffice for much of the normal meetings with the CSM. While the actual role of CSM may or may not be more or less a publicity stunt... I feel that the idea should be preserved. It would be nice to see CCP move into more open and 2way talk with the CSM through video conferences on perhaps a monthly basis. This new prerogative could also be supplemented with more regular video blogs. I personally feel that the community would respond much better with some sort of monthly update from both CCP and CSM in a vlog from... which frankly vloging doesnt take that much time, so I don't see it being a massive time issue.
Indeterminacy THORN Syndicate BricK sQuAD. 13	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:30:00 - [10] - Quote No War but Class War. Do I have that about right?
White Tree XxBroski North Reloaded Federation NinjaGuldDotxX. Elite Space Guild 408	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:30:00 - [11] - Quote Rocky Deadshot wrote: It would be nice to see CCP move into more open and 2way talk with the CSM through video conferences on perhaps a monthly basis. We talk to CCP on a daily basis, not monthly or weekly.
Vile rat GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 404	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:34:00 - [12] - Quote AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH you actually typed all that.
T-Jay Charante The Scope Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:35:00 - [13] - Quote White Tree wrote: Rocky Deadshot wrote: It would be nice to see CCP move into more open and 2way talk with the CSM through video conferences on perhaps a monthly basis. We talk to CCP on a daily basis, not monthly or weekly. So there is actually no need for the jaunts to Iceland?
Keno Skir 17	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:35:00 - [14] - Quote Agreed +1 Fire them and stop pretending they have any role other than to make us all feel like you want to hear what we have to say. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why?
Avon Versatech Co. Raiden. 83	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:35:00 - [15] - Quote White Tree wrote: Rocky Deadshot wrote: It would be nice to see CCP move into more open and 2way talk with the CSM through video conferences on perhaps a monthly basis. We talk to CCP on a daily basis, not monthly or weekly. And yet, even with so many talks, you were unable to effectively communicate the feelings of the community to CCP, costing 120 people their jobs. Well done. Bravo.
Harm Pit Highwaymen Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups 3	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:35:00 - [16] - Quote White Tree wrote: Rocky Deadshot wrote: It would be nice to see CCP move into more open and 2way talk with the CSM through video conferences on perhaps a monthly basis. We talk to CCP on a daily basis, not monthly or weekly. All the more damming then, at your disgraceful lack of achievements.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. 37	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:36:00 - [17] - Quote Verone wrote: Couldn't agree more. The CSM is a useless publicity stunt with no real substance, that's de-evolved into a nullsec alliance popularity contest to see who can pin the most votes. A very small minority of the playerbase actually votes in the elections despite huge advertising campaigns by CCP to encourage people to get involved. Most see it as the joke that it is, and nothing more than a public relations tool. CCP would have been far better off canning the bad joke that the CSM is, and working with their community team (who incidentally are all now gone) to communicate with the playerbase. +1 Slade
Dunbar Hulan The Flaming Sideburn's Art of War Alliance 16	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:36:00 - [18] - Quote This is a computer game, we fly internet space ships and we pay to do so. If I had an issue with the game, why would I want to talk to some knob living out of their Mom's spare room- AKA 'The Command Center?" Self styled "Commander" of hundreds of "Brave Capsuleers", who dreams of destroying worlds and being the head of a Vanguard fleet, while making sure they have their customer's Coffee order correct? I'd talk to the Organ grinders- Not the Monkeys. There it is.
T-Jay Charante The Scope Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:36:00 - [19] - Quote Vile rat wrote: AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH you actually typed all that. +1 for confirming OP's concerns.
Keno Skir 17	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:37:00 - [20] - Quote Vile rat wrote: AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Useful and professional CSM input as always.. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why?
Harm Pit Highwaymen Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups 3	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:38:00 - [21] - Quote Vile rat wrote: ...you actually typed all that. Indeed I did. And you nearly dropped your milk in your rush to reply seconds after you heard about it in your VEWY IMPORTANT SEKRET CSM CHAT CHANNEL
White Tree XxBroski North Reloaded Federation NinjaGuldDotxX. Elite Space Guild 408	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:38:00 - [22] - Quote Avon wrote: White Tree wrote: Rocky Deadshot wrote: It would be nice to see CCP move into more open and 2way talk with the CSM through video conferences on perhaps a monthly basis. We talk to CCP on a daily basis, not monthly or weekly. And yet, even with so many talks, you were unable to effectively communicate the feelings of the community to CCP, costing 120 people their jobs. Well done. Bravo. We did. In private.
Vile rat GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 404	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:38:00 - [23] - Quote Want useful input post a useful topic. You just posted a haughty whine thread and feel particularly pompous doing so. I am under no obligation to take garbage like this horrible thread seriously and I don't choose to! If you want to address concerns or comments about CSM activities there's a forum for that (two!) and this ain't it. So in conclusion, Fart.
Trainwreck McGee Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 70	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:41:00 - [24] - Quote The CSM should never have been implemented in the first place. I didn't vote for them and i don't want them to speak for me. Edit - I wouldn't mind the CSM if everything was transparent. CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool
Vile rat GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 404	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:42:00 - [25] - Quote Trainwreck McGee wrote: The CSM should never have been implemented in the first place. I didn't vote for them and i don't want them to speak for me. "I voted once, but I didn't win. I'll never vote again!" - guttermouth
Hratli Smirks GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 77	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:43:00 - [26] - Quote Vile rat wrote: Want useful input post a useful topic. You just posted a haughty whine thread and feel particularly pompous doing so. I am under no obligation to take garbage like this horrible thread seriously and I don't choose to! If you want to address concerns or comments about CSM activities there's a forum for that (two!) and this ain't it. So in conclusion, Fart. Vile Rat, how do you respond to allegations that you are gay? The Public has a right to know!
White Tree XxBroski North Reloaded Federation NinjaGuldDotxX. Elite Space Guild 408	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:44:00 - [27] - Quote Hratli Smirks wrote: Vile rat wrote: Want useful input post a useful topic. You just posted a haughty whine thread and feel particularly pompous doing so. I am under no obligation to take garbage like this horrible thread seriously and I don't choose to! If you want to address concerns or comments about CSM activities there's a forum for that (two!) and this ain't it. So in conclusion, Fart. Vile Rat, how do you respond to allegations that you are gay? The Public has a right to know! ruh roh
Vile rat GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 404	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:44:00 - [28] - Quote Hratli Smirks wrote: Vile rat wrote: Want useful input post a useful topic. You just posted a haughty whine thread and feel particularly pompous doing so. I am under no obligation to take garbage like this horrible thread seriously and I don't choose to! If you want to address concerns or comments about CSM activities there's a forum for that (two!) and this ain't it. So in conclusion, Fart. Vile Rat, how do you respond to allegations that you are gay? The Public has a right to know! I tripped, fell on a dong and got caught in a compromising position. It was all an accident.
Trainwreck McGee Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 70	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:45:00 - [29] - Quote Vile rat wrote: Trainwreck McGee wrote: The CSM should never have been implemented in the first place. I didn't vote for them and i don't want them to speak for me. "I voted once, but I didn't win. I'll never vote again!" - guttermouth ewwwww how many goons are on the CSM..... CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool
Rocky Deadshot In The Goo EVE Trade Alliance 18	Posted - 2011.10.20 16:45:00 - [30] - Quote White Tree wrote: Rocky Deadshot wrote: It would be nice to see CCP move into more open and 2way talk with the CSM through video conferences on perhaps a monthly basis. We talk to CCP on a daily basis, not monthly or weekly. Ideally a video conference on either a weekly or monthly basis would be about 10x more productive than a once or twice a year visit to Iceland. And yes, I'm talking about scheduled meetings... not pick up meetings. I understand you may talk to them on a daily basis... but its obviously not in a manner that is constructive enough. The idea is that Email is used for quick questions and answers and regular correspondence. Video conferences are used to update both CSM and CCP on where everyone is at and where they are going. Ideally, with it all grouped together people keep the big picture in mind and communication is strengthened. The whole trip to Iceland is a silly concept. In this day and age, pretty much everything can be done in more cost effective ways over the internet... you just have to have the initiative and drive to make it work.

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