They're paid with the PR budget, not wages budget.

Couldn't agree more.

The CSM is a useless publicity stunt with no real substance, that's de-evolved into a nullsec alliance popularity contest to see who can pin the most votes.

A very small minority of the playerbase actually votes in the elections despite huge advertising campaigns by CCP to encourage people to get involved. Most see it as the joke that it is, and nothing more than a public relations tool.

CCP would have been far better off canning the bad joke that the CSM is, and working with their community team (who incidentally are all now gone) to communicate with the playerbase.

They're paid with the PR budget, not wages budget.

It would be nice to see CCP move into more open and 2way talk with the CSM through video conferences on perhaps a monthly basis.

We talk to CCP on a daily basis, not monthly or weekly.

We talk to CCP on a daily basis, not monthly or weekly.

We talk to CCP on a daily basis, not monthly or weekly.

Couldn't agree more.

The CSM is a useless publicity stunt with no real substance, that's de-evolved into a nullsec alliance popularity contest to see who can pin the most votes.

A very small minority of the playerbase actually votes in the elections despite huge advertising campaigns by CCP to encourage people to get involved. Most see it as the joke that it is, and nothing more than a public relations tool.

CCP would have been far better off canning the bad joke that the CSM is, and working with their community team (who incidentally are all now gone) to communicate with the playerbase.

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you actually typed all that.

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...you actually typed all that.

And yet, even with so many talks, you were unable to effectively communicate the feelings of the community to CCP, costing 120 people their jobs.

Well done. Bravo.

The CSM should never have been implemented in the first place. I didn't vote for them and i don't want them to speak for me.

Want useful input post a useful topic. You just posted a haughty whine thread and feel particularly pompous doing so. I am under no obligation to take garbage like this horrible thread seriously and I don't choose to! If you want to address concerns or comments about CSM activities there's a forum for that (two!) and this ain't it.

So in conclusion,


Fart.

Vile Rat, how do you respond to allegations that you are gay?

The Public has a right to know!

Vile Rat, how do you respond to allegations that you are gay?

The Public has a right to know!

"I voted once, but I didn't win. I'll never vote again!" - guttermouth

We talk to CCP on a daily basis, not monthly or weekly.

And yet, even with so many talks, you were unable to effectively communicate the feelings of the community to CCP, costing 120 people their jobs.

Well done. Bravo.

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you actually typed all that.

Want useful input post a useful topic. You just posted a haughty whine thread and feel particularly pompous doing so. I am under no obligation to take garbage like this horrible thread seriously and I don't choose to! If you want to address concerns or comments about CSM activities there's a forum for that (two!) and this ain't it.

So in conclusion,


Fart.

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you actually typed all that.

Want useful input post a useful topic. You just posted a haughty whine thread and feel particularly pompous doing so. I am under no obligation to take garbage like this horrible thread seriously and I don't choose to! If you want to address concerns or comments about CSM activities there's a forum for that (two!) and this ain't it.

So in conclusion,


Fart.

Typical goon, intelligent and constructive...................... (sarcasm).

I tripped, fell on a dong and got caught in a compromising position. It was all an accident.

So, in a thread about the CSM being a bunch of lackies and a total joke, even if it is in the wrong forum, you come in and remove all doubt.

Pure classic!


Slade

Of course, because we actually were put in charge of CCP, and they have to listen to everything we said. You seem to be forgetting that they don't always listen to us and they don't always even share things with us before they do it. In general, when they have asked us for opinions, we have been nearly 100% right on the player reactions. It isn't our fault they don't ask or listen.

This is exactly why the CSM is useless, look at this maturity. God what a loser, FIRE THE CSM, CCP, AND SCRATCH THE WHOLE IDEA COMPLETELY.

Heres a THOUGHT, if you want to find out what your players think of the current situation, you have every single persons email address in your database, ever heard of a F***ing SURVEY! god get a grip

Want useful input post a useful topic. You just posted a haughty whine thread and feel particularly pompous doing so. I am under no obligation to take garbage like this horrible thread seriously and I don't choose to! If you want to address concerns or comments about CSM activities there's a forum for that (two!) and this ain't it.

So in conclusion,


Fart.

I've been playing for over 6 years now, and I have yet to vote in the CSM. It's just like the high school prom's King and Queen. Only the most popular win, not who is actually good for the job.

Disgusting.

your maturity reeks as bad as your farts

You have just summed up exactly why the CSM is pointless.

Random newbie corp alt you wound me.

You DO realize that that is exactly how a democratic election process works, right? Only the most popular win?

Oh is this a real thread? I thought this was a waah waaah I hate the elected members of the CSM thread where people are whining and high-5'ing each other. Did I misinterpret it???

As opposed to the typical counter-argument against the CSM which is based on assumptions and always addressed with a pre-determined series of negative opinions usually rooted in a basic misunderstanding of what the CSM actually is.

You're smelling my farts.

obviously you felt inclined to respond, so yah. for someone who is supposed to be a PR rep, you sure as hell don't know how to act like a professional. all the more reason to dump you and the rest of the CSM.

You DO realize that that is exactly how a democratic election process works, right? Only the most popular win?

You DO realize that that is exactly how a democratic election process works, right? Only the most popular win?

I love it when people use big words to confuse and dazzle us with their oh-so-superior vocabulary.

Oh is this a real thread? I thought this was a waah waaah I hate the elected members of the CSM thread where people are whining and high-5'ing each other. Did I misinterpret it???

When my flight is landing I am far happier with the trained and experienced pilot making the choices, rather than the passengers voting for the most attractive trolly dolly to have a go.

And yet, even with so many talks, you were unable to effectively communicate the feelings of the community to CCP, costing 120 people their jobs.

Well done. Bravo.

Of course, because we actually were put in charge of CCP, and they have to listen to everything we said. You seem to be forgetting that they don't always listen to us and they don't always even share things with us before they do it. In general, when they have asked us for opinions, we have been nearly 100% right on the player reactions. It isn't our fault they don't ask or listen.

Doesn't make it the best system though, does it?

When my flight is landing I am far happier with the trained and experienced pilot making the choices, rather than the passengers voting for the most attractive trolly dolly to have a go.

Avon from Raiden. (formerly of a number of dead alliances we've killed) comparing CCP developers to professionals

I'm not a PR rep!

I'm an elected representative who was elected on the platform I presented to the playerbase and feel VERY comfortable about the work I accomplished. This thread is a pile of **** that is nothing but a cheap shot at the CSM and I'm under no obligation to take it seriously :)


I'm not.

Professional doesn't mean you are good at it, just that you get paid for it. Ask your mom if you don't understand.

Its like people already forgot that the CSM just made CCP do a 180 in regards to their plans and possibly saved EVE in the long run.

You've shown by your posts exactly how serious you take the position you've been elected for.

Aside from the OP or any of the replies so far. In your oppinion could the thousands of dollars used to fly the CSM across the world and back be put to better use paying the wages of the employees who have been let go?

I'm not trying to suggest that griefers and in-game nastys shouldnt be on the CSM, nor am i suggesting everyone in goon should be removed because they apparently represent all that is bad in eve (NOT my oppinion, just the word on the street).

I'm not trying to attack any CSM personally, i'd like to be flown to iceland for beer and eve-talk too. I'm merely suggesting that some roles at CCP are more valuable to the game as a whole than the CSM, yet money that could be used to pay their wages is being spent sending the CSM on holiday. Back when the EvE community felt they needed a voice inside CCP the CSM was the answer we were given.

Do you on the CSM really believe you and your expenses are the best use of money right now for EvE?

Try to look at it from the perspective of someone paying for those trips while they watch the game sit stagnant.

Wow dude...didn't take long for you to realize your arguments were doomed and resort to 'yo mama' jokes.

Its like people already forgot that the CSM just made CCP do a 180 in regards to their plans and possibly saved EVE in the long run.

The CSM didn't do that, they have already said in this thread that they tried but CCP didn't listen.

People leaving changed CCP's direction.

As I relaxed in the aftermath of a time-dilated fight where supercaps didn't rule the day and lag didn't determine the outcome, I browsed a rack of podkills with implants, spun my recently rebalanced hybrid-gunned ship, and typed off a poorly-thought-out ragepost about how the CSM was irrelevant, because I'm literally a big babby who has no idea what he's talking about.

I then went off to enjoy a bunch of new spaceship-related content that CCP produced after they finally acknowledged that focusing on FiS instead of WiS was the right thing to do!

Gotta pitch 'em to the level of the audience, and you sure swung for it.

Gotta pitch 'em to the level of the audience, and you sure swung for it.

Except I'm not the one who is mad about losing my instant i-win button in space and acting like a little child on the forums about it.

As I relaxed in the aftermath of a time-dilated fight where supercaps didn't rule the day and lag didn't determine the outcome, I browsed a rack of podkills with implants, spun my recently rebalanced hybrid-gunned ship, and typed off a poorly-thought-out ragepost about how the CSM was irrelevant, because I'm literally a big babby who has no idea what he's talking about.

I then went off to enjoy a bunch of new spaceship-related content that CCP produced after they finally acknowledged that focusing on FiS instead of WiS was the right thing to do!

I don't own a supercap, so that's strike 2.

Its like people already forgot that the CSM just made CCP do a 180 in regards to their plans and possibly saved EVE in the long run.

Oh, I thought

Professional doesn't mean you are good at it, just that you get paid for it. Ask your mom if you don't understand.

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you actually typed all that.

As right as most of you are, and as much as I agree the CSM should never have existed, let's be realistic. This is CCP, not a company known for their good decisions. How about you make rage threads about CCP instead of the CSM and get straight to the point?

you're still mad about the nerf because your alliance can't do anything without them.

CSM is a joke, nothing more than a PR disaster for CCP and a way for people with absolutely no social skills or real life to inflate their e-peens and leak NDA material. The maturity level of the people that get on the CSM every year is about the same as 12 year olds.

If CCP was smart they would restructure the whole thing and run their PR like every other company in the industry. Marginalize the CSM even more than it is now, and for god's sake stop spending money on them or disclosing information to them you don't want public. They have done nothing to help deal with the idiots that scream on the forums, actually this last CSM has done nothing other than insult the players and try to start even more **** for CCP to have to clean up, AND they can't seem to keep their mouths shut about NDA material either.

There are much more successful ways to interact with your subscribers and has been proven out by most of the industry at this point. This laughable excuse of representation is nothing more than a bunch of children playing dress up and stroking their e-peens.

And you've shown by your posts you don't know what you're talking about and liked getting mocked on an internet forum.

basically Avon I'm saying you were a member of a group of cheaters so you would not recognize moral or ethical distinctions hth

The irony is that almost all of CCP's current problems stemmed from them employing "industry experts" who wanted to make Eve Online "more like the rest of the industry" not realizing that once you homogenize the offering to that extent you can no longer compete on originality and indy vibes and people start looking too closely at the creaky game engine and slow content provision.

Successful CCP = wierdo icelandic hard core hands on visionary coder CCP.

Crap CCP = wannabe like MT cash store avatar dress up dumb down CCP.

Because you start competing head to head with the big guys like SONY and Blizzard and EA and whoever then a game like Eve suffers greatly from its lack of polish.

Whereas if you are content to do things differently for gamers that like a bit of difference and eccentricity you grow a whole bunch of subscribers.

Strange that isn't it?

If so many supercap pilots hadn't already unsubbed their accounts maybe 120 CCP employees wouldn't be so bothered that winter is coming.

I blame Harm Pit for CCP's woes. I blame Harm Pit for getting those CCP employees fired. If he had been a more active player or had gone to any of the Fanfest and actually shown CCP how to make a better game, we, as the player base wouldn't be in this position today. I blame Harm Pit for making super caps overpowered, and for dragging Faction Warfare down the toilet. I also blame him for not stopping the Goons from attacking us hisec miners. I also blame Harm Pit for me not getting any kills in over a year.

I blame him for everything that is wrong in this world today. Since he started playing EVE Online, the world economy has gone to hell. Famine is rife in Africa again. War is rampant within the Middle East. Children all across the globe are going hungry because he refuses to become a farmer. Harm Pit caused that tsunami in Japan, and the subsiquent nuclear reactor meltdowns, I know he did it, I just know, mkay.

CCP's current situation is CCP's fault, not the CSMs. CCP has openly admitted to their mistakes. Going too far too fast. Classic mistake all new companys make. You blame six people. Really? SIX! Are you daft? If anything, the current CSM has finally gotten CCP to see what is happening. Walking in station? Who gives a **** about that? Oooh, look I can sit on a couch. I can walk to my ship now. Big whoopty doo. I can buy a monocle and some fancy boots. Are you being for real?

Do you know why no one is in nullsec? Cuz the sov mechanics are out of whack. Kind of hard to start a new alliance and take space when the current alliances have something in the neighborhood of 250+ supercarriers and titans. Or should we just leave them as they are?

No my friend, I blame you for all of lifes misfortunes. I blame you for everything that is wrong in the world today. I blame you for not being a shining example of how we as humans need to be. I especially blame you for the colors toape and mauve and why little puppies die at birth. I blame you for the homeless people living in my city. I also want to blame you for the drought that is going on here. I blame you for crop failures around the world and why tires go flat at the most incovienent times.

You may start your name calling now.

I just discovered your problem

basically Avon I'm saying you were a member of a group of cheaters so you would not recognize moral or ethical distinctions hth

(using vile rat's post about the appropriate place for such threads...) I've posted a thread in the Assembly Hall. When will we be getting a formal CSM response to these events.

you're still mad about the nerf because your alliance can't do anything without them.

Bloody hell.

We live in the end-times of Monoclegeddon when the 4 NeX riders of the (aurum-skinned) apocalypse have murdered the good devs in the Icelandic night of the long knives while his ginger majesty Hilmar has offered up the virgin daughters of the content department to the many-tentacled elder gods of microtransaction hell to the flickering pyres of Vampire the Masquerade source books and you are still going on about player alliance rivalries from 4 years ago!

Talk about fiddling while New Eden burns!

Worst rationalization in history for keeping your supers overpowered. It's sad that you can take 120 people losing their jobs and turn it into a supercap whine. Shameful.

Yeah, that's how this thread went down. I'm sure people are totally unable to check if your revisionist version matches the posts.

Goon's should be evicted from the CSM, period. If that's my opinion, I am free to it. If I post with an alt of a 5 year veteran account, i'm free to do it.

The blind irrational rage in this thread makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

It's called the Foreverwar for a reason. I'm just disgusted that Avon is using 120 people losing their jobs right before the holiday to whine about supercaps.

It's horrible.

Vile Rat just confirms how useless and childish the CSM has always been. Yesterday this Goon was white knighting for the CSM claiming as the CSM did WE are at fault for the state of EVE. This USELESS committee should be completely removed because clearly they are out of touch with what people want. How is the Jihad against ice miners going? Nice move CSM Vile Rat!!

I don't know how much money CCP has spent on the CSM, but with the amount of entertainment it has yielded in this thread alone, it was worth every last pennyGǪ

So vote in the damned election. Get your friends to vote. All you need to get a seat on the council is a 1000 votes. I won the bloody chair position with 2600 (or something) and my alliance had 160 members :)

hah, funny. this is all a response to his immaturity on the forums, directed at people who could have been some of the members that elected him yet here you come along, his bro-**** buddy, to defend him and his lack of maturity. I, at least, have a maturity level that is above the scale of a 12 year olds. you really look stupid for defending him, but of course your obligated to

As I relaxed in the aftermath of a time-dilated fight where supercaps didn't rule the day and lag didn't determine the outcome, I browsed a rack of podkills with implants, spun my recently rebalanced hybrid-gunned ship, and typed off a poorly-thought-out ragepost about how the CSM was irrelevant, because I'm literally a big babby who has no idea what he's talking about.

I then went off to enjoy a bunch of new spaceship-related content that CCP produced after they finally acknowledged that focusing on FiS instead of WiS was the right thing to do!

I feel some vague sympathy for Avon, since Goonswarm has kicked him around the galaxy for four+ years without respite. But it's a shame that he's taking his misplaced rage on behalf of BoB and trying to spite the CSM as an institution, merely because he and his lot were torn apart by a gaggle of newbies in rifters.

You could always come after us again, Avon. It's worked out so well for you and yours in the past. Fifth time's a charm?

But do leave the CSM out of it.

True, I haven't see this many CSM post in a GD thread in days, they must be angry about something.

to be honest in terms of eve drama CSM is probably better than the alliance tournament.

Its not anger is guilt.

stopid GOONIE CSM is just wast of money

ccp spend all thier staff buget on flying goonies to iceland to drink martini, now they fire 400 ppl BECAUSE OF CSM!!!!

ccp not buffing gallante, ccp not balaning supercaps, ccp is OBLIGATED 2 LISTEN 2 CSM yet tehy do nothng and wait around 4 next vacation to iceland paradice

Thanks for they sympathy Mittens, but I really don't need it.

You see, stuff that happens in a game is in a game. Maybe one day you will also realise that.

Until then you will continue to game the game to win a game that can't be won. I know that the CSM is important to you in that respect, and of course you will defend it as much as you can. I get that and it isn't really the root of my concern about the CSM.

Long before you were involved in the CSM I stated that I thought it nothing more than a PR stunt; a lame reflection of what it was originally proposed to be. I have seen nothing since to change that opinion.

You can pretend that the CSM is important, that you are important, but it isn't true.
You have *my* sympathy Mittens, I really mean it.

True, I haven't see this many CSM post in a GD thread in days, they must be angry about something.

That really hurts something awful coming from a goon.

^This

Ask your mom if you don't understand.

The irony is that almost all of CCP's current problems stemmed from them employing "industry experts" who wanted to make Eve Online "more like the rest of the industry" not realizing that once you homogenize the offering to that extent you can no longer compete on originality and indy vibes and people start looking too closely at the creaky game engine and slow content provision.

Successful CCP = wierdo icelandic hard core hands on visionary coder CCP.

Crap CCP = wannabe like MT cash store avatar dress up dumb down CCP.

Because you start competing head to head with the big guys like SONY and Blizzard and EA and whoever then a game like Eve suffers greatly from its lack of polish.

Whereas if you are content to do things differently for gamers that like a bit of difference and eccentricity you grow a whole bunch of subscribers.

Strange that isn't it?

get out

and gas thread

OP Why do you hate democracy?

Just for your reference, the current CSM has achieved more than all the previous CSM committees combined.

Just for your reference, the current CSM has achieved more than all the previous CSM committees combined.

So tell me what 2 x 0?

Indeed, no Devs lost their jobs partly as a result of the previous CSMs actions

Indeed, no Devs lost their jobs partly as a result of the previous CSMs actions

Hah you mad, and don't even seem to understand why.

Yea, give me evidence that the CSM's actions have caused loss of jobs.
Correlation does not imply causation.

They lost their jobs as a result of years of poor management. The CSM didn't run CCP out of money.

They lost their jobs as a result of years of poor management. The CSM didn't run CCP out of money.

Yea, give me evidence that the CSM's actions have achieved anything.
Correlation does not imply causation.

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you actually typed all that.

I wonder where the rest of the CSM is, you only ever hear from the same bunch of muppets. Did they give up and forgot to tell everyone?

and you actually typed all that... pathertic.

Vile... the Lap Dog of the Pretender Mittani. Defenders of Theft from the Common Pilots of Eve.
The general Eve population is waking up. Your days are numbered.

This is a serious question and I'm obligated to respond seriously. Thank you.




In a heartbeat. Give me this option and have it implemented and I think every single one of us would love to give everything in this game up to get those people gainfully employed. This was a gut shot to all of us and we feel for the employees who lost their jobs. This sucks plain and simple.




If I were told today that giving up the trip to Iceland would put some of the people that we've become friends with due to our close working relationship back to work I would do it without hesitation and with a big smile on my face. I feel the work we do is valuable but this isn't a video game, this is peoples lives who got uprooted.




The face to face meetings are huge. They help improve the game in big ways. They are valuable. Not as valuable as the jobs that were lost. Those jobs represent families and futures. We don't regret the work we've done to help make the game the best it can be for the players, but I'd resign right this second if that resignation resulted in one single job at CCP being restored.


Sadly this isn't the case.

It is simply not acceptable that in times where sacked CCP Devs are literally sat in their pyjamas crying into their cereal, that the money is available to fly these people to Iceland to ineffectually posture, pad their CVs, get drunk and try to maintain the delusion of grandeur they labour under.

This has even started to become clear to themselves. Only days ago they crowed and gloated over the hilmarrrrgh "apology" blog, fighting amongst themselves to claim the biggest piece of the credit cake. Now, with 120 sackings, they have all developed SSS (sloping shoulder syndrome) as they seek to blame each other and even the players who flocked to their call for protest. Even the Chair of the CSM has let his nihilistic facade slip a little as the guilt hits him as to his role in the sacking of his great drinking buddies at CCP.

A farce from day one, the CSM was launched not in an oversight role as publicised by hillmar, but pre nerfed as a "communication conduit" and soon degenerated into childish squables (Constantine vs that goon guy) and rule breaking (trassler and that ankhatamapeonama bird). The 250 issue backlog of agreed issues that CCP routinley ignored stands evidence as to their innefectuality. Many people spent many many wasted hours trying to push issues through the frameowrk CCP gave us to see it drop out of site.

In times of plenty, where vanity project rap videos and dev bands were de-rigeur at CCP HQ - the CSM was an affordable plaything. But in these times of economic woe it is nothing short of outrageous it still exist.


Particulaly considering the reported peenuts many Devs reportedly accept as wages due to their love of the game and company.

CCP are tightening their belts, and now is the perfect time to tighten the metaphorical noose around the CSM. All the clamour for CCP management to resign for failure works with the CSM as well. They have failed. The CSM, in its 6 incarnations, have presided over a near terminal decline in the game. In times of honour, resignation would have been the honourable action in response to abject failure.

It is clear that these "individuals" who inhabit the CSM will not take that route. They need to be sacked. NOW. Hilmar.. get shot of them!

So basically half the CSM declared jihad on ice miners (there are threads everywhere if he cant remember this) and then turn to ccp and brainstorm why people are not playing? Its so crazy its genius

this is a thread with a lot of bad posters

This is probably the most important thing these people (nerds with god complexes) will do in their lives (The CSM I mean)

Just imagine if you realized that being on the CSM was the highlight of your life? How desperate would you become? What kind of crisis would exist internally for you? These are people with no moral compass, look how they just got their spaceship game drinking buddies fired. I just don't want anyone else to die

All I see in this post, really, is a bunch of baseless accusations which are nothing more than your personal opinion presented as fact.

Protip: Alts are very easy to spot and if you cant with the blind eye you can easily look at posting history. heck it even has the date and topic posted too. so cool!! its funny as you check the CSM supporter history they all start about 5 days ago and usually start with a topic that starts with goonswarm. jus a lil fyi from your friendly neighborhood pastor

Protip: Go kill yourself.

I can't stand this stupidity, the world must be purged.
Though, it would be a demographic nightmare.
I correct myself, purge the stupid people off EVE forums.

Hey welcome to eve forums!! I see you started posting 10 days ago so welcome!! i also see its mostly been in this thread so i would hapy to help you navigate the forums seeing as your new and all. and look! right after someone from goons post a few minutes later!! what a coincidence.

EDIT: you could have waited a few minutes before posting with someone else. That tip is free ill charge from hear on out.

* I can provide links to a Dev blog where she referes to being sat in here pjamas and cant stop crying.

Yea, you do that when you lose your job. You're a really nice guy for using Fallout as an example, sure serves her well.

* I can provide links to CSM members padding their CVs (and indeed misrepresnting her role at CCP and eventualy being let go due to an NDA breech.)

Who wouldn't? It means you achieved something. Also, the ends justify the means.

* I can provide linnks to tales of CSM member drunkennes (from their own blogs and twitter feeds)

Oh god does this even need a comment?

* Evidence of their crowing abounds over these forums and others

Well of course, you aren't some kind of special person when being a CSM member.

* The "i dont care im ironic innit" goon facade the Chair slipped in posts when he was angry at devs being sacked

Uh. Uhhhh. You just broke the Stupidity Event Horizon

* The oversight role of the CSM as was initial conceived is available to look at on interview with hilmar on mainstream news sights such as the BBC and Wall Street Post

Who cares about the past?

* The change in the role to a communication conduit is evidenced in dev blogs when the CSM finaly came out

What? The "new" CSM was always meant as a conduit you idiot.

* The 250 + issues backlog is clear to see on the CSMs own wiki.

CSM != Devs, they have to convince CCP to do stuff. They do that. You are too blind to see.

* The hours spent to push these issues is estimable by the process itself : post thread, vote, csm discuss, CCP discuss, drop/keep multiplied by the amount of issue currently aggree and waiting to be actioned.

But it still results in actions.

* The rap video band comment was indicative of the CCP mentality during the good times HTFU

What's that for an argument?

* CCP tightening their belts is evidence by a blog yesterday from CCP manifest detailing 120 sackings

Of course, a $12m loan term just ended. They had to get more money. Running a company 101.

* CCP paying less then industry standards (reffered to me jokingly as peenuts) is evidenced from postings on "ex employee" sites and occasionaly unguarded dev comments.

So what?

* Several Devs are rumoured to have been sacked (hammerhead amongst them unconfirmed)

Welcome to yesterday's news. I'm glad to see Hammerhead gone to be honest.

* Resignation did used to be the honourable course of action for politicians who fail (see Liam Fox, UK minister a few days ago)
* The CSM members have show no inclination to resign over many forum threads

Uh huh. Yea, right, resign after getting positive results.


So basicaly, no, its not all personal opinion and baseless accusations. Aside from some flowery speech and the occasional gag I insert to make the post more entertaining for the reader, Its all backed up through years of following the CSM process.

Christ it is you stupid abomination of a poster.

Incidentaly, I had to restrain myself from mentioning many many more incidents that have cropped up over the years with the CSM in order to keep some sort of brevity to my post.

Hey welcome to eve forums!! I see you started posting 10 days ago so welcome!! i also see its mostly been in this thread so i would hapy to help you navigate the forums seeing as your new and all. and look! right after someone from goons post a few minutes later!! what a coincidence.

EDIT: you could have waited a few minutes before posting with someone else. That tip is free ill charge from hear on out.

Hey welcome to eve forums!! I see you started posting 10 days ago so welcome!! i also see its mostly been in this thread so i would hapy to help you navigate the forums seeing as your new and all. and look! right after someone from goons post a few minutes later!! what a coincidence.

EDIT: you could have waited a few minutes before posting with someone else. That tip is free ill charge from hear on out.

No im right. stop being gutless and use your main. how pathetic do you have to be to white knight for your master on a alt. be proud of who you are and try not to be so easy to spot k?

No im right. stop being gutless and use your main. how pathetic do you have to be to white knight for your master on a alt. be proud of who you are and try not to be so easy to spot k?

Do you even know who Weaselior is you stupid ****?

it takes a special sort of brain damage to misspell your name

like misspelling things in a post is one thing but you misspelled the actual name you post with, that's pr0

No im right. stop being gutless and use your main. how pathetic do you have to be to white knight for your master on a alt. be proud of who you are and try not to be so easy to spot k?

i'm gonna give you a forum tip

you see, people can select their corp/alliance to show up or not

so the guy you are claiming is my neutral posting alt...is in goonswarm

tell me, what use do i have for a neutral posting alt who is in goonswarm and anyone with a few more brain cells than you can find that out

Do you even know who Weaselior is you stupid ****?

David Carel - the angriest person in this thread.

David Carel - the angriest person in this thread.

im not going to explain alts to you eceleb. sorry i didnt get your autograph but spaceship celebs make me nervous good luck in your 1 man circle jerk

im not going to explain alts to you eceleb. sorry i didnt get your autograph but spaceship celebs make me nervous good luck in your 1 man circle jerk

You have no idea how to post and how to do a proper debate. Please just shut up and biomass your characters.

I'm not angry, I'm just an narcissistic person and I enjoy proving my superiority unto people I deem inferior.

We all go through narcissistic rage syndrome from time to time, it's ok.

As I relaxed in the aftermath of a time-dilated fight where supercaps didn't rule the day and lag didn't determine the outcome, I browsed a rack of podkills with implants, spun my recently rebalanced hybrid-gunned ship, and typed off a poorly-thought-out ragepost about how the CSM was irrelevant, because I'm literally a big babby who has no idea what he's talking about.

I then went off to enjoy a bunch of new spaceship-related content that CCP produced after they finally acknowledged that focusing on FiS instead of WiS was the right thing to do!

Wow, when can we play that game because none of that existst yet. What I do know is that solo and small corps continue to get told of yet another way they will be driven out of Eve with PI changes that came out of the blue, that the CSM seems to care about nothing but the end game and CCP is going down in flames if recent events are correctly interpreted.

One good thing did come from this thread, the CSM actually finally posted in the Eve forums insteads of the their own "personal" channel perferences.

Issler

Wow, when can we play that game because none of that existst yet. What I do know is that solo and small corps continue to get told of yet another way they will be driven out of Eve with PI changes that came out of the blue, that the CSM seems to care about nothing but the end game and CCP is going down in flames if recent events are correctly interpreted.

One good thing did come from this thread, the CSM actually finally posted in the Eve forums insteads of the their own "personal" channel perferences.

Issler

Wow, when can we play that game because none of that existst yet. What I do know is that solo and small corps continue to get told of yet another way they will be driven out of Eve with PI changes that came out of the blue, that the CSM seems to care about nothing but the end game and CCP is going down in flames if recent events are correctly interpreted.

One good thing did come from this thread, the CSM actually finally posted in the Eve forums insteads of the their own "personal" channel perferences.

Issler

the CSM taking credit for the changes that are coming doesn't mean they made it happen, it's just convenient for them to take credit, just as Obama will make a re-election campaign out of taking down Osama and Gadaffi.

You're welcome to bet against me. It's worked out pretty well for Avon and his lot over the years.

But I do stand by my view that the "little guy" is consistently being ignored.

Issler

Something is seriously wrong when goon posters end up sounding reasonable in comparison to the common standard.

Best post in the thread.

Are the CSM in danger of losing touch with the community, just as CCP have done?