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Reverand Pastor
Dynasty Ink.
14
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Posted - 2011.10.20 19:13:00 -
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im not going to explain alts to you eceleb. sorry i didnt get your autograph but spaceship celebs make me nervous good luck in your 1 man circle jerk |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
1036
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Posted - 2011.10.20 19:13:00 -
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T-Jay Charante wrote:David Carel wrote:Reverand Pastor wrote:No im right. stop being gutless and use your main. how pathetic do you have to be to white knight for your master on a alt. be proud of who you are and try not to be so easy to spot k? Do you even know who Weaselior is you stupid ****? David Carel - the angriest person in this thread.
p. sure that's the guy who posted a foot long rant actually, you can find it on the top of the first page |

David Carel
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
52
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Posted - 2011.10.20 19:13:00 -
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This thread went places. |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
1036
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Posted - 2011.10.20 19:14:00 -
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Reverand Pastor wrote:im not going to explain alts to you eceleb. sorry i didnt get your autograph but spaceship celebs make me nervous good luck in your 1 man circle jerk
so you think that I put an alt into another corporation in my alliance to altpost
you're p. dumb |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
1036
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Posted - 2011.10.20 19:15:00 -
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i mean it's blantantly obvious you didn't realize that he was in edit: goonswarm not goonfleet oops! rather than being a newbiecorp alt and now suddenly you don't want to talk about it anymore |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
1036
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Posted - 2011.10.20 19:15:00 -
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Reverand Pastor: another unmourned victim of the posting wars |

David Carel
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
52
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Posted - 2011.10.20 19:15:00 -
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Reverand Pastor wrote:im not going to explain alts to you eceleb. sorry i didnt get your autograph but spaceship celebs make me nervous good luck in your 1 man circle jerk
Hey, I'll give you a tip on politics: Wildly Inappropriate is a corporation in Goonswarm that joined 3 months ago. It has 500 members, thus it's not an alt corp. I am a member of it for 2 months or so. Do the thinking. |

Harm Pit
Highwaymen Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
15
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Posted - 2011.10.20 19:17:00 -
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David Carel wrote: You have no idea how to post and how to do a proper debate. Please just shut up and biomass your characters.
Thanks very much for your post but you misunderstood the context. I was accused of writing only personal opinion and baseless accusations in my OP. I posted that list to refute that accusation by refering to every "opinion" in my OP and showing how all my points were easily evidenced and cross referancable.
This I think I did to an impartial readers satisfaction. I could go further and get you specific links to wall street articles, forum posts, twitter feeds, devblogs and the like but I feel my list is enough and I do not wish to spend the next two hours pulling links I know are there.
As an example, I reffered to Drunken CSM members, intending to reinforce the "waste of money" position I have regarding the CSM. You seen to have taken my evidencing this as some sort of Pious disaproval of alchol or something. This is certainly not the case. I do disaprove of the wast of money getting these people flown to Iceland to get pissed up though. And the references to "massive hangovers" at CCP and the obvious detrimental effect these would have on the supposed role the CSM are nominaly supposed to be performing.
Oh RE Fallout it was her situation that angered me as I respected her work (having dealt with her in a game related issue before). I did not intend to be disrespectdul and it was indeed a line taken from her own public blog regarding her situation, not some nasty dig at her.
Character remaining unbiomassed sorry :( |

T-Jay Charante
The Scope Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.10.20 19:19:00 -
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David Carel wrote:T-Jay Charante wrote:David Carel wrote:Reverand Pastor wrote:No im right. stop being gutless and use your main. how pathetic do you have to be to white knight for your master on a alt. be proud of who you are and try not to be so easy to spot k? Do you even know who Weaselior is you stupid ****? David Carel - the angriest person in this thread. I'm not angry, I'm just an narcissistic person and I enjoy proving my superiority unto people I deem inferior.
We all go through narcissistic rage syndrome from time to time, it's ok.
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Major Spag
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2011.10.20 19:22:00 -
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Confirming we are all Mittani alts. |

Major Spag
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2011.10.20 19:23:00 -
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Except DurrHurrDurr. **** that guy! |

Mai Khumm
Shockwave Innovations
4
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Posted - 2011.10.20 19:32:00 -
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This is democracy at it finest, nothing but one big joke... |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
605
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Posted - 2011.10.20 19:40:00 -
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Some of the posters in this thread seriously need to take a chill pill and step away from the keyboard.
Something is seriously wrong when goon posters end up sounding reasonable in comparison to the common standard.
(And hell, I'm not exactly a fan of goons!)
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

David Carel
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
52
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Posted - 2011.10.20 19:49:00 -
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T-Jay Charante wrote:David Carel wrote:T-Jay Charante wrote:David Carel wrote:Reverand Pastor wrote:No im right. stop being gutless and use your main. how pathetic do you have to be to white knight for your master on a alt. be proud of who you are and try not to be so easy to spot k? Do you even know who Weaselior is you stupid ****? David Carel - the angriest person in this thread. I'm not angry, I'm just an narcissistic person and I enjoy proving my superiority unto people I deem inferior. We all go through narcissistic rage syndrome from time to time, it's ok.
Read up on narcissistic rage, I'm not having it. |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
44
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Posted - 2011.10.20 19:55:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:As I relaxed in the aftermath of a time-dilated fight where supercaps didn't rule the day and lag didn't determine the outcome, I browsed a rack of podkills with implants, spun my recently rebalanced hybrid-gunned ship, and typed off a poorly-thought-out ragepost about how the CSM was irrelevant, because I'm literally a big babby who has no idea what he's talking about.
I then went off to enjoy a bunch of new spaceship-related content that CCP produced after they finally acknowledged that focusing on FiS instead of WiS was the right thing to do!
Wow, when can we play that game because none of that existst yet. What I do know is that solo and small corps continue to get told of yet another way they will be driven out of Eve with PI changes that came out of the blue, that the CSM seems to care about nothing but the end game and CCP is going down in flames if recent events are correctly interpreted.
One good thing did come from this thread, the CSM actually finally posted in the Eve forums insteads of the their own "personal" channel perferences.
Issler |

David Carel
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
52
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Posted - 2011.10.20 19:56:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:The Mittani wrote:As I relaxed in the aftermath of a time-dilated fight where supercaps didn't rule the day and lag didn't determine the outcome, I browsed a rack of podkills with implants, spun my recently rebalanced hybrid-gunned ship, and typed off a poorly-thought-out ragepost about how the CSM was irrelevant, because I'm literally a big babby who has no idea what he's talking about.
I then went off to enjoy a bunch of new spaceship-related content that CCP produced after they finally acknowledged that focusing on FiS instead of WiS was the right thing to do! Wow, when can we play that game because none of that existst yet. What I do know is that solo and small corps continue to get told of yet another way they will be driven out of Eve with PI changes that came out of the blue, that the CSM seems to care about nothing but the end game and CCP is going down in flames if recent events are correctly interpreted. One good thing did come from this thread, the CSM actually finally posted in the Eve forums insteads of the their own "personal" channel perferences. Issler
Except it's all stuff that is already on Sisi or will be within a reasonable timeframe. |

Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
1041
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Posted - 2011.10.20 20:10:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:The Mittani wrote:As I relaxed in the aftermath of a time-dilated fight where supercaps didn't rule the day and lag didn't determine the outcome, I browsed a rack of podkills with implants, spun my recently rebalanced hybrid-gunned ship, and typed off a poorly-thought-out ragepost about how the CSM was irrelevant, because I'm literally a big babby who has no idea what he's talking about.
I then went off to enjoy a bunch of new spaceship-related content that CCP produced after they finally acknowledged that focusing on FiS instead of WiS was the right thing to do! Wow, when can we play that game because none of that existst yet. What I do know is that solo and small corps continue to get told of yet another way they will be driven out of Eve with PI changes that came out of the blue, that the CSM seems to care about nothing but the end game and CCP is going down in flames if recent events are correctly interpreted. One good thing did come from this thread, the CSM actually finally posted in the Eve forums insteads of the their own "personal" channel perferences. Issler
that's your brilliant comeback, that things announced for the winter patch are not on tranq yet
because, you know, the winter patch hasn't been finished |

The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1325
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Posted - 2011.10.20 20:10:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:The Mittani wrote:As I relaxed in the aftermath of a time-dilated fight where supercaps didn't rule the day and lag didn't determine the outcome, I browsed a rack of podkills with implants, spun my recently rebalanced hybrid-gunned ship, and typed off a poorly-thought-out ragepost about how the CSM was irrelevant, because I'm literally a big babby who has no idea what he's talking about.
I then went off to enjoy a bunch of new spaceship-related content that CCP produced after they finally acknowledged that focusing on FiS instead of WiS was the right thing to do! Wow, when can we play that game because none of that existst yet. What I do know is that solo and small corps continue to get told of yet another way they will be driven out of Eve with PI changes that came out of the blue, that the CSM seems to care about nothing but the end game and CCP is going down in flames if recent events are correctly interpreted. One good thing did come from this thread, the CSM actually finally posted in the Eve forums insteads of the their own "personal" channel perferences. Issler
You're welcome to bet against me. It's worked out pretty well for Avon and his lot over the years.
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Largo Coronet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2011.10.20 20:14:00 -
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Jin'an Tonika wrote:the CSM taking credit for the changes that are coming doesn't mean they made it happen, it's just convenient for them to take credit, just as Obama will make a re-election campaign out of taking down Osama and Gadaffi. For this section of your post alone, you should seek therapy. And a lobotomy.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
44
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Posted - 2011.10.20 20:38:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:The Mittani wrote:As I relaxed in the aftermath of a time-dilated fight where supercaps didn't rule the day and lag didn't determine the outcome, I browsed a rack of podkills with implants, spun my recently rebalanced hybrid-gunned ship, and typed off a poorly-thought-out ragepost about how the CSM was irrelevant, because I'm literally a big babby who has no idea what he's talking about.
I then went off to enjoy a bunch of new spaceship-related content that CCP produced after they finally acknowledged that focusing on FiS instead of WiS was the right thing to do! Wow, when can we play that game because none of that existst yet. What I do know is that solo and small corps continue to get told of yet another way they will be driven out of Eve with PI changes that came out of the blue, that the CSM seems to care about nothing but the end game and CCP is going down in flames if recent events are correctly interpreted. One good thing did come from this thread, the CSM actually finally posted in the Eve forums insteads of the their own "personal" channel perferences. Issler You're welcome to bet against me. It's worked out pretty well for Avon and his lot over the years.
Not betting against you as much as CCP based on their track record. And I was happy to see the CSM in the Eve forums, where I wish I saw them more.
But I do stand by my view that the "little guy" is consistently being ignored.
Issler |

Hratli Smirks
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
100
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Posted - 2011.10.20 20:56:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:
But I do stand by my view that the "little guy" is consistently being ignored.
Issler
Little guys don't fly Gallente? Use hybrid guns? Get 0wned by supercapitals? Find 0.0 to be largely inaccessible and generally a bag of dicks anyway?
Yours in Christ,
H. Ratli Smirks, Esq. Hero of 49- |

Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
256
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Posted - 2011.10.20 21:06:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Something is seriously wrong when goon posters end up sounding reasonable in comparison to the common standard. Best post in the thread.
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David Carel
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
61
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Posted - 2011.10.20 21:12:00 -
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Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Something is seriously wrong when goon posters end up sounding reasonable in comparison to the common standard. Best post in the thread. ccccccccccc |

TexasFire
Texas Deep Space Texas.
4
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Posted - 2011.10.20 21:27:00 -
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T-Jay Charante wrote:Vile rat wrote:Want useful input post a useful topic. You just posted a haughty whine thread and feel particularly pompous doing so. I am under no obligation to take garbage like this horrible thread seriously and I don't choose to! If you want to address concerns or comments about CSM activities there's a forum for that (two!) and this ain't it.
So in conclusion,
Fart. Are the CSM in danger of losing touch with the community, just as CCP have done?
The present CSM is not in touch with the EVE community. The EVE community is not just 0.0.
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Velyks
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
1
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Posted - 2011.10.20 21:35:00 -
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TexasFire wrote:T-Jay Charante wrote:Vile rat wrote:Want useful input post a useful topic. You just posted a haughty whine thread and feel particularly pompous doing so. I am under no obligation to take garbage like this horrible thread seriously and I don't choose to! If you want to address concerns or comments about CSM activities there's a forum for that (two!) and this ain't it.
So in conclusion,
Fart. Are the CSM in danger of losing touch with the community, just as CCP have done? The present CSM is not in touch with the EVE community. The EVE community is not just 0.0.
That may be, but it is the only one that matters.
Maybe when you little scrublets set up yo' game and get on my level I'll take you seriously.
:pringles: http://i.imgur.com/JyLjl.jpg |

zero9300
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
0
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Posted - 2011.10.20 21:54:00 -
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I waited for the testing of CSM's time dilation to say, CSM has achieved nothing. I will probably vote for it again. |

David Carel
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
61
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Posted - 2011.10.20 21:55:00 -
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TexasFire wrote:T-Jay Charante wrote:Vile rat wrote:Want useful input post a useful topic. You just posted a haughty whine thread and feel particularly pompous doing so. I am under no obligation to take garbage like this horrible thread seriously and I don't choose to! If you want to address concerns or comments about CSM activities there's a forum for that (two!) and this ain't it.
So in conclusion,
Fart. Are the CSM in danger of losing touch with the community, just as CCP have done? The present CSM is not in touch with the EVE community. The EVE community is not just 0.0.
>25% of highsec are an alt of a nullsec alliance member. |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
149
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Posted - 2011.10.20 22:05:00 -
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The CSM is a good idea. Electing representatives to condense player concerns, requests, and complaints into something more manageable should allow CCP to respond faster and more efficiently to problems.
That's not what I've seen happen in the short time I've been in the Eve community. Since I learned what the CSM is and what it's supposed to do, I haven't seen it produce anything like the intended result. That's not to say it's been useless--I feel the CSM did quite a bit to help resolve issues and answer questions during monocle-gate--but it certainly hasn't lived up to my expectations.
The problem here is two-fold: First of all, CCP has largely ignored the desires of the playerbase, and instead pursued their "vision" of Eve, resulting in Incarna, Dust 514, and a bunch of other things that, while interesting, don't exactly address long-standing problems with the core gameplay of Eve, that being all things spaceship. Second, the CSM elections *are* just a popularity contest where only those who know someone running a campaign are voting. Your typical highsec dweller has no idea what's going on with the CSM elections and overlooks them.
How do we fix this? I think CCP has finally gotten a clue and at least appears to be looking to restore their commitment to the players with the winter expansion. We'll see how well they do at communicating with us and giving us better content in the coming months.
As for the CSM, there's no easy fix. CCP needs to step up and try to get more people involved in the elections. Right now information on the CSM largely exists in the forums, which are completely optional and don't appeal to a lot of people who play Eve. Let's face it: this is a MUCH smaller community than Eve itself. If we could find a way to move the political discourse into the game and get more players involved, we'd see a more diverse voting group and possibly a much more balanced mix of CSM members.
I could care less whether the CSM gets to go to Iceland. That's a perk that CCP should consider doing away with if they are having budget problems. It's not profitable at all, and doesn't make much business sense when you're struggling to maintain productivity levels. |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
149
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Posted - 2011.10.20 22:11:00 -
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David Carel wrote:TexasFire wrote: The present CSM is not in touch with the EVE community. The EVE community is not just 0.0.
>25% of highsec are an alt of a nullsec alliance member.
Meaning that >50% aren't. Outside of the nullsec voting blocs, you've got Incursion fleets, mission runners, high sec industrialists, wormhole corps, faction warfare, pirates, mercenaries, and independents all largely left without representation. Most of them don't vote because they don't know to vote. I was playing during the last CSM election and had no idea it was happening. CCP isn't doing a good job of informing the players. |

David Carel
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
61
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Posted - 2011.10.20 22:19:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:David Carel wrote:TexasFire wrote: The present CSM is not in touch with the EVE community. The EVE community is not just 0.0.
>25% of highsec are an alt of a nullsec alliance member. Meaning that >50% aren't. Outside of the nullsec voting blocs, you've got Incursion fleets, mission runners, high sec industrialists, wormhole corps, faction warfare, pirates, mercenaries, and independents all largely left without representation. Most of them don't vote because they don't know to vote. I was playing during the last CSM election and had no idea it was happening. CCP isn't doing a good job of informing the players.
No, 25% are in nullsec IIRC. Means that >50% are nullsec residents. |
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